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Chubby Chandler Fires More Anti-American Jibes...

 

I'm beginning to think golf agent to the stars William ‘Chubby' Chandler has a sort of spidey-sense that alerts him whenever there is an opportunity to critique Americans as a whole. He never misses a trick.

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His latest foray into ‘Europe roolz, America droolz' is on the heels of Bubba Watson's Great Gaelic Adventure, where he says the actions and attitude of Bubba are the norm for American golfers and not the exemption. Now, I don't recall Steve Stricker making rude comments about Qatar this year, but perhaps I'm missing something. Take it away, Chubby:

"I saw the interview (with Bubba] and it was quite pathetic how he was. For a grown man to talk like that was quite pathetic.


No argument there. Go on.

There's a lot of Bubba Watsons because a lot of them don't travel.

So Chubby is equating American pros that don't play in Europe with one American who played (poorly) is France and insulted everything up to Sarkozy's unborn child? The fact that Hunter Mahan doesn't play Open de España means he hates paella, Penélope Cruz and Ricky Rubio? A bit of a stretch, but I'll give you a chance to convince me.

You can't say that about Tiger. At least Tiger travels. And Phil (Mickelson] started about five years ago.

I'm going to assume Tiger and Phil can get more of that sweet sweet appearance money than, say, Jeff Overton or Nick Watney. For the latter you are asking them to not play their domestic tour for less money.

Rory was in America last year and he felt the same way going from New York to Boston to Chicago. He found it hard work, but he didn't whinge about it. He's just not doing it any more. He didn't want to. There was no fun involved. Every week was the same. The Americans like that, though. It's just two different cultures.

No, Rory at least waited until the end of the year to whine about his US PGA Tour experience. Or don't you consider ‘it was a lonely experience' whining?

They think their tour is the be-all and end-all. They have no idea that in ten years' time Asia will be bigger than America."

I would say, outside maybe ten American golfers, the US PGA Tour is the be-all and end-all. It provides them a place to play every week for a boatload of money. Even if you are not in the winner's circle every time out, you can make a very comfortable livelihood. And, at least at this time, no one in Asia is ringing up Keegan Bradley, offering him big bucks to come to South Korea or mainland China. If Chubby is right and Asian golf is bigger than American golf in a decade, American golfers will go to Asia. Just as European golfers come to American because American golf is more lucrative than European golf.

And what exactly is wrong with pride for your own country/tour?  Aren't we currently seeing the European Tour and its members puff out their chests due to the improving strength of their organization?  So it is okay for Lee Westwood and Rory McIlroy  to decide playing more in Europe fits their lifestyle but when Jim Furyk says similar about playing in America, he is taking a big steaming pile on Europe?

"They don't get it because they have everything in America, don't they? Everything over there is easy for them. There's a lot of cash to play for. They don't see any reason why they should play outside America.

How dare Americans not understand how important we are!

And yet a lot of our guys who go from here to there are not stimulated by playing in America every week, to go from Boston to New York to Chicago, it doesn't stimulate them. They'd rather be going from Jakarta to Seoul to Valencia, you know what I mean? That's just the way our guys are brought up. The Americans are brought up to think that America is it. They're conditioned to that mindset from a very young age.

I'm not going to argue the differences in upbringing between American youths and European youths; I have no experience with the latter (I doubt Chubby has experience in the former, but unlike Chubby, I choose not to pull generalities out of my hindquarters). I will say I didn't think it was the job on any tour to emotionally fulfill and stimulate the professionals. If bland American cities don't provide Chubby's guys with the contentment that Jakarta, Seoul and Valencia do, they should feel free to continue to play Jakarta, Seoul and Valencia and leave the boring villages of New York, Boston and Chicago to those culturally deficient Americans.


Of course, Chubby doesn't want that, not the piles of money available to his players. I'm not totally sure what he wants. Perhaps continental pride is affecting his thought process. Perhaps deriding Americans not playing in Europe is a preemptive strike to the charges that some of his clients don't play enough in America. Maybe he is just keeping his name in the public eye to ensure his position as a Very Important Person in the world of golf.  One thing I do know is I've just about had it with Chubby's regular shots at America. Unlike Chubby, I won't pile all of Europe or the golfers that employ him under one blanket. I'd be happy to see Lee Westwood, Martin Kaymer, Luke Donald, Ernie Els and Rory McIlroy playing in America as much or as little as they would like. On the other hand, I would not shed a red white and blue tear if Chubby never set foot in the banal United States of America ever again.

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I fear Chandler has hurt your feelings, TwoNuse

although how you can quite go to him saying that Bubba’s actions & attitudes are the norm for American golfers and not the exception might be shall we say a touch hyperbolic? Your very own Jack Nicklaus has said that he believes US players should travel the world more. Over here I would like to assure you that we still know the difference between Bubba Watson & Tom Watson however.

by WendyUK on Jul 4, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Brendan Steele played in Paris and finished a creditable seventh............

He’s a young American who won the Texas Valero Open this year.Haven’t read anything negative about him or his experience in Europe.I hope he enjoyed the foray.I don’t think that golf fans believe that Bubba’s lack of judgement iro all the poor remarks he made are typical of American golfers abroad.

by scrumsndswings on Jul 4, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said it

“There’s a lot of Bubba Watsons because a lot of them don’t travel.”

It appears that every time Mr,. Chandler opens his mouth (when it isn’t to promote one of his clients), he is saying how much America is bad for golf. I don’t pretend to be the biggest patriot, but at some point enough is enough. You can say American players should travel more without insulting the lot of them (aside from Tiger and Phil, of course).

by TwoNuse on Jul 4, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m sure I would feel the same way if our positions were reversed.

by WendyUK on Jul 5, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chandler is a boor and is the European equivalent of an “Ugly American” himself. When he chides Bubba Watson, it is simply a pot calling a kettle black. Watson, however, has at least the manners and good sense to apologize, but I truly doubt that Chandler does.

by Charles Boyer on Jul 4, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Watson hasn't apologised.

You don’t begin an apology with an “if”.

by chip n'putt on Jul 4, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leant on by management/sponsors undoubtedly

Not a genuine apology at all. Still, let’s hope the rest of his European trip is uneventful.
Probably hasn’t even been reported in other countries press, so doubt any backlash – except British press might try to stir things up at The Open – we’ll ignore them.

by WendyUK on Jul 5, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

pfff tiresome little war ...

 as my grand father used to tell me..turn your tongue 7 times inside your mouth before opening it, and you’ll find yourself smarter..sportsmen should practice this litlle exercise more often. Some of them would surely get tongue cramps. :-) never worked for me though…

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by Saint-just71 on Jul 4, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Saint... isn't that strange you bring that tongue exercise up...I once knew a

young lady that really could do that…..jis syin mind ya….I hasta go with Chip…there is no “if” in “I is sorry”….And, I am getting a bit tired of the “Bubba” issue….it’s ancient history….My dear Dad always said….“if it happened yesterday, it’s over.”…..STUB

STUB

by thinker on Jul 4, 2011 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing New Under The Sun

In a way, Chandler defends the Americans at the end, saying “The Americans are brought up to think that America is it. They’re conditioned to that mindset from a very young age.”. If this is the case, why are we surprised that some American travellers turn ugly? In Europe it’s so much easier to gain exposure to different cultures and countries, it’s understandable they “travel better”.

Now, this is in no way excusing Bubba’s comments. If he’s inexperienced in world travel, that’s understandable. But if you go somewhere, anywhere, you can’t possibly expect it to be just like home and you need to adjust your attitude and outlook accordingly.

Otherwise, you may as well just stay home. Except there is no appearance money at home.

Keep'em in the short stuff

by GolferInKilt on Jul 5, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Chandler

Chandler is another example of your typical smarmy sports agent who has a moment in the sun only because he caught lightening in a bottle with Lee Westwood and Rory McIlroy. What Bubba said or “did” isn’t even the story anymore; instead, it has become the reaction of outspoken talking heads like Chandler to stick his nose in when it isn’t needed.

Speaking of generalizations, I want to know when Chubby became the spokesperson for European golf?

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by Adam Fonseca on Jul 5, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Adam

You left out Oosthuizen, Schwartzel, Dyson, Els and Ckarke. He’s been in business since 1989, so your lightning in a bottle analogy does not quite fit. Like him or loath him, he gets it done as a agent. He has an opinion, as do many Americans and the ones I have seen quoted are not best pleased with Bubba’s ‘Tour de France’ either.
I would far rather have Chubby tell it the way he sees it, than others in the same business putting a PC slant on it.

by chip n'putt on Jul 5, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agents

Overall I appreciate Chubby’s candor, even though I think it’s a bit of “Bluster for bluster’s sake”. Having said that, I generally dislike Agents who make it more about them than about the athletes they represent (Are you listening, Rosenhaus and Boras?).

Keep'em in the short stuff

by GolferInKilt on Jul 5, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can show displeasure with Bubba's antics

without using it as a opportunity to express your jihad towards all things American golf.

I don’t expect Chubby to do anything besides advocate for his clients. How exactly is ‘everything American is rubbish’ doing that?

by TwoNuse on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jihad??

Bad choice of words in all respects Two.

by chip n'putt on Jul 5, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing we all tend to forget

is that when any of these guys are quoted, whomever they may be, it is nearly always in response to a question from the media. As such, it is always out of context and it is a response. Read it on it’s own as a statement and it acquires different dimensions and I’m sure, intent.

by chip n'putt on Jul 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

But his response is always negative towards American golf

I’m not saying golf on this side of the Atlantic is perfect at all. But find me the last time Chandler said anything about golf in the states that could be considered positive, or even neutral?

I’m not trying to be logical. WendyUK is right; I’m personally annoyed by him.

by TwoNuse on Jul 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does have that effect on people

I think he was behind the door when they handed out the charm button.

by chip n'putt on Jul 5, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Bubba also “tell it the way he sees it”?

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by Adam Fonseca on Jul 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much ado about nothing.

The old “insular American” generalization has been around for awhile now, probably because it is a little bit true, but what does anyone really expect of us? Geographically, the US is not exactly amenable to visiting other cultures all that readily. We have Canada and Mexico, and really not even most Americans can get there easily. For example, I would have to take a 4 hour flight just to get to Canada or drive 20 hours to get into Mexico. In Europe the countries are smaller and more closely packed together, so it is easier for people to visit different cultures on a weekend trip or whatever.

It doesn’t seem to me that Bubba Watson grew up in the wealthy family with the financial wherewithal to be flying him all over the world. From Bubba’s comments I almost get the impression that this is his first time out of the country. For Americans to travel outside the US is not possible for many families, probably Bubba’s family was not all that rich. Plus, Bubba himself has a learning disorder. Why should it surprise anyone that given his situation he doesn’t know some French landmarks? I’m not even sure he knows all the US landmarks.

People get too uptight and politically correct about what other people say. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If Chubby Chandler, Paul Casey or whoever, wants to make comments, I have little problem with that, just as I don’t fault Bubba for being Bubba. Life is more interesting when everyone is not trying to be PC, and it adds a little juice to the future competitions as well.

by rhaegar on Jul 5, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Bubba played Ryder Cup last year

so he has been out of the country. And you don’t need to be a world traveler or have wel heeled parents to show some politeness, or even some restraint when discussing things you are not used to.

I said this in another thread, but there is a difference between politically incorrect statements and rude statements. Paul Casey saying he hates Americans when it comes to Ryder Cups isn’t rude (especially if you are paying attention to a guy married to an American, lives in America and went to college in America). Chubby Chandler using Bubba’s meltdown to show his special brand of anti-Americanism is insulting to me, and I have no qualms sharing that. I fully expect him to somehow tie the Casey Anthony verdict to why Lee Westwood shouldn’t play the Memorial.

by TwoNuse on Jul 5, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bubba was surrounded by his fellow Americans

& his wife was there (don’t know about other family), plus organisation, food, etc, would have been well-taken care of, plus language (almost) the same so I think his comfort level would have been greater.

The Casey Anthony trial hasn’t been news here in the UK at all – why should it be? I had to Google it. So a little restraint about Chandler, please Two!

by WendyUK on Jul 5, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about Bubba

he isn’t even a great player and probably won’t be. About the same level as Thomas Levet who won the tournament. Bubba was a baby, but no one will care this time next year, because he isn’t going to win much anyway.

by Easingwold on Jul 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

if I remenber well..

Levet has played on the US tour, unluckily for him it was during the freedom fries era..he said it was tough to be french in the US at the time, but I don’t remember him complaining. Though he did say that he was for nothing in the choices made by Chirac, like most of the french…but go explain that to the fans. :-)

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by Saint-just71 on Jul 5, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's really ironic about "french fries"

Is that pomme-frittes are generally thought of as a Belgian creation. Indeed, it is an integral part of the Wallonian cuisine, along with white sauce and fantastic beer.

by Charles Boyer on Jul 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fish and Chips

and Yorkshire pudding have thier origins in France and Germany.

by Easingwold on Jul 6, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yorkshire Pudding

You mean that crap piece of bread that’s only good for soaking up the juices from my medium-rare Prime Rib?

Keep'em in the short stuff

by GolferInKilt on Jul 6, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

A good Yorkshire Pudding is a culinary delight

but of course it is only there to soak up the juices/gravy.

by WendyUK on Jul 6, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chubby Chandler is hardly the first person to be anti-American,

and he certainly won’t be the last. It’s OK to be insulted by Chubby, but frankly if you got insulted by every person who was anti-American, you would be in a bad mood all day. There are a lot of people out there who hate Americans, may be even most of the people outside of America. That is surprising to many Americans, but it really shouldn’t be. When I have traveled abroad, I have gotten the impression that there are many people who feel that Americans like to impose their own values and morals on them rather than just trying to learn and accept the prevailing schools of thought of the indigenous folks. Probably is true for some Americans, which give the rest a bad name. Then there is also a certain amount of jealously and Schadenfreud regarding America and its perceived wealth and position in the world. The take home point from all this being, don’t expect universal love for Americans, there are probably more Chubby Chandlers than not out there, and don’t lose any sleep over it, it’s not worth it.

by rhaegar on Jul 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about Americans abroad

the ignorant minority give the rest a bad name. It’s not the wealth, but the idea some have the American way is the best. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. The best way to travel is with an open mind, that is the only way to appreciate where you are.

by Easingwold on Jul 5, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Easy....You're saying

that because Bubba doesn’t know French culture he is ignorant??

The Saints were the SUPER BOWL CHAMPS for a year...hope I don't have to wait another 44 years for #2....WHO DAT!......:)

by em66 on Jul 5, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all

I simply said the ignorant minority give the rest (majority ) a bad name abroad. All I ever said about Bubba was refering to the interview when he was complaining like a child.

by Easingwold on Jul 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone with a high school diploma should be able to identify The Louvre (one of the grand museums of the world), Versailles (ever heard of the Treaty of Versailles? Only one minor world event of many that happened near or at the place) and the Arc de Triomphe just as a matter of general knowledge.

by Charles Boyer on Jul 5, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must have gone to a better high school than me, LOL

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mari-97694414.html

Many Americans are sadly ignorant about their own history, much less that of other nations. I do not even recall learning world history or even having a world history class in high school. All I remember is that there was an Advanced Placement US history class, and that was it.

I’m not sure what the percentage of Americans there are who can identify the Louvre, Versailles or the Arc de Triomphe, but I’m willing to bet that it will be very, very low.

by rhaegar on Jul 5, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up in the States

did most of my schooling there, I recall history was taught what affected the United States…obviouly Britain before indipendance,civil war ,civil rights,etc.Some thought at the time WW2 started on December 7, 1941, that kind of thing. I learned a lot more once I left and got some perspective of both sides. It’s almost like there is a glass bubble over the country and being a large one with almost everything one could need, that is understandable to some extent.

by Easingwold on Jul 6, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still have a book on WW2 published in America

Not surprisingly, the first chapter is Pearl Harbour.

by Easingwold on Jul 6, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, it really became a "world war" for say, only when the US

entered it..
But I wonder if history texbooks weren’t more thorough before WW2, and before they kicked everybody’s butt..just asking

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by Saint-just71 on Jul 6, 2011 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt facts and propoganda do get mixed up

in books, it gets hard to be objective sometimes..

by Easingwold on Jul 6, 2011 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not Wendy

The Saints were the SUPER BOWL CHAMPS for a year...hope I don't have to wait another 44 years for #2....WHO DAT!......:)

by em66 on Jul 6, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, highly unlikely!

All you have to do is watch Jay Leno when he does one of his segments called ‘Street Walking’ where he questions people on the street, the overall display of ignorance is astounding.

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To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again
-R. Zimmerman

by gnossos on Jul 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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