LPGA Tour penalizes rookie Averyhardt for slow play
With all the well-deserved noise erupting over the creepy crawly pace of play on the PGA Tour (we’re talking to you, Kevin Na), the rules officials on the men’s side might want to take a page from the LPGA’s playbook. Because on Thursday, the honchos at this week’s Kia Classic actually assessed rookie Shasta Averyhardt a two-stroke penalty for holding up play.
You read that right. The 24-year-old Averyhardt, playing this week on a sponsor’s exemption, told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune that she and playing partners Jennifer Song and Lindsey Wright were "on the clock" during the first round of play at Industry Hills Golf Club.
Christina Kim, who famously remarked that a 2010 playing partner was "slower than evolution," must be so pleased. Averyhardt, not so much.
"Obviously I disagreed, but I can't do anything about that," Averyhardt said, blaming her 7-over 80 on poor course management.
"I have to make better decisions on the golf course," the golfer told the publication. "I want to manage the course better do a better job at that. I think everything will be fine after that."
Now, about Kevin Na. There’s no truth to the rumor that the fellow Gene Wojciechowski called "slower than frozen maple syrup" was responsible for the three-hour delay to the start of the Kia Classic’s second round Friday. Na, however, was to blame for Wojciechowski wanting to pull his remaining hair out strand by strand after the ESPN.com writer walked the entire nearly five-hour first round with Na’s threesome at the Arnold Palmer Invitational.
"Time doesn't stand still when Na plays; it goes backward," Wojciechowski wrote on Thursday. "The only thing brief about him is his last name."
Wojciechowski had a few more choice adjectives for Na in his entertaining column about slow play -- and Na’s tortoise-like pace in particular. J.B. Holmes, Webb Simpson, and Ben Crane were the objects of Wojciechowski’s wrath as well. "And there are others...who play as if they’re being paid by the hour," he wrote.
Wojciechowski may have made his point with humor, but he was serious when he observed that the PGA was loathe to penalize any player and probably never would. As tour golfer Pat Perez told Wojciechowski, the slow play is a never-ending source of discussion among the guys.
"We talk about it every [players] meeting," Perez said. "Every meeting we talk about pace of play and we talk about course setup. But it never changes. It's a waste of time to talk about it. People aren't going to change their routine. We're playing for millions of dollars a week out here. Guys are not going to change their routine just to finish. In their mind, they're in no hurry."
Maybe a couple extra strokes on the scorecard would do the trick. Bubba Watson’s all for kicking the slowpokes in the rear.
"I'd tell them to start handing out [penalty] strokes," Watson said.
Since that’s about as likely to happen as Na taking less than a minute and a half (by Wojciechowski’s count) for each putt, looks like golf fans will have to get used to what Wojciechowski termed "a typical Na putting routine:
"Place ball at marker...look at line from front...look at line from back...pick up ball...caddie lines up putt...caddie plumb bobs with wedge...place ball back at marker...line up putt...caddie plumb bobs again...two practice strokes...pick up mark and put in right pocket...two more practice strokes..."
No Doz, anyone?
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I take as much time as I want when paying my cable bill, let alone if I was playing for millions of dollars.
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Wojciechowski is a general sports guy, isn’t he ? Not a golf guy ? Yes – watching paint dry is more fun that watching Na (and caddy) try to read a putt – but Wojo showed up on a day when conditions slowed down play across the board, but he doesn’t understand what he was watching.
All any of these stories puts out about Averyhart is that she disagrees with the penalty – but why ? She admits that her course management was really bad – which usually translates into extra shots and more time. Has anybody seen any more of what she said ?
If at first you don't secede, try try again
I'd be more impressed with the LPGA's stand...
if the penalty was leveled at someone a little higher on the food chain than a rookie on a sponsors exemption.
I did not see Shasta Averyhardt....
and don’t know her from Adam (not to be confused with Fonseca). What I’m sure of is when you take 80 shots it’s going to take more time than say….68… To those amateurs worried about being held up, they’ll still be plenty of ale at the 19th hole when you get there…
Ping
It’s not how many you take, it’s how long you take over them. To get two shots -
1 – You know you’re on the clock because you are told you are
2 – You are warned
3 – And then if you are still outside the time, you are penalised
As for your last sentence, why should the rest of the field – amateur or pro, be messed about by someone else’s ineptitude and or selfishness? It’s not hard to play the game at a reasonable pace. Anything else is as above.
C&P
Too much has been made of “slow play”…. It’s a huge issue for television because it is ruled by the clock. It’s a issue for people that run golf courses because it’s impotant to get as many rounds in a day for financial reasons. I don’t have a problem with players taking there time. Teachers stress pre-shot routines….We see the pros do it. And if the preshot routine is interrupted, start over again. We’ve all seen that too…they put the club back in the bag… The only time I get a bit testy is when I see the player in front of me fishing for balls with one of those retrievers (when his is not in there). On tour, quick players are celebrated….slow players ridiculed…. I think that transfers to amateur and recreational players. I would hazard a guess that before televised golf, the time it took to play a round wasn’t quite so important. If I’m not mistaken, the average USGA handicap is around 18….That’s a reasonable amount of ineptitude that’s out there…..
I know players off 28
who play a round in under 4 hours. They never lose a ball, they don’t hit it far enough. But if anyone posting here took more than 4 hours playing 18 holes with no one holding them up, I would have an issue with them. 4 balls shouyld never take longer than 4 hours, if no one is holding thm up. A 2 ball should do it in 3 hours. If a 2 ball took 5 hours I would ban them.
I disagree totally
It doesn’t matter the ability of the player, there is a reasonable way and speed to play the game. Pros taking 5 hours plus for no good reason, is BS at it’s best. It has nothing to do with TV and everything to do with poor craftsmanship and utter selfishness on those players behalf. What TV does do, is show pros taking forever to read puts and not being ready to hit shots when they should be. They are the role models – like it or not, for the weekend warrior and when the Ben Crane’s and Kevin Na’s of the world are shown to be not penalised, then the rest of the world think they have the same right, or even worse, that that is how the game should be played.
One of the biggest problems golf has in attracting new players to the game, is the amount of time it takes to play. Pro golfers are not helping the cause at all.
I teach pre shot routines as an absolute must, but and it’s a big but…. I also stress the need to get on with it. The longer you take over the ball, the more negatives you introduce and the less productive that routine is.
Chip:
Would you concede that time limits are more important for TV producers and golf course owners for the reasons I mentioned?
Sorry Ping, no
“Time limits” on Tour are far more important for getting the field in before dark than any TV coverage.
As far as course owners are concerned, they set a time perimeter that is entirely reasonable to play the game and also to get as many people on the course as is possible. Less bums on seats will mean steeper green fees and that is a lose lose situation for all of us.
There is no earthly reason why a round of golf should take any more than four hours, no matter the standard of those playing – tour pros or 20 handicappers.
by chip n'putt on Mar 26, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never understood
why people are in such a hurry to get off the golf course anyway. For me, my time on the links is precious and if it takes a while to get around, so be it. Now or course I believe in keeping up with the group in front of you and my foursome plays at fair pace. But when we get stuck behind a slow group, it doesn’t bother us one bit. We enjoy each others company, we enjoy the scenery, we enjoy just being out there having a good time. So I say relax a little bit people and just enjoy yourself. I met a guy recently who brags about playing 18 in two hours and said he and his son recently played 36 in 3 hours. All well and good, but I have no intention of rushing through a round of golf like that. To me he’s missing out on part of the experience. I say by all means keep up, but if you have to wait a bit, so what.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
TH
It depends on what you call waiting. If it’s busy and you wait now and then fine, but waiting on every shot is not how I want to play golf and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Four hours for a foursome is a pleasant stroll and a great day out. 5 hours plus, is something I can live without. I don’t think I’m on my own with this and I believe that it is one of the reasons that golf is stagnating as a recreational sport.
The one thing that I think everyone needs to be aware of and do, is to call faster players through. It’s simple, it’s easy and it’s just plain good manners. That slow group in front of you, has a domino effect that screws up the whole field, not just you and your group.
by chip n'putt on Mar 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Tigerhead:
Make sure you never play ahead of Chip n’putt or Easingwold…..It could get ugly…
Chip is 100% correct
Ping, if someone was slow ahead of you and didn’t wave you through, that is unacceptable. It is bad ettiquette, bad manners to hold people up. Tigerhead may want to spend 5 hours on a course but let people through, if you feel that way. Just because people pay their green fees gives them no right to hold up others. I’m staggered some people feel this way. waiting on every shot is one thing if the course is full and no one can get through. But somewhere on the course is a group of donkeys that need a sharp reminder of the rules, so everyone can enjoy the game at a normal pace of 4 hours. 5 hours is slow.
I'm not advocating slow play
and of course one has to show common courtesy to other groups. All I’m saying is the experience of playing a round of golf is about much more then hitting shots, at least it is for me. There are many things to enjoy between hitting shots. I’ve seen people get so bent out of shape over play not moving as fast as they think it should that it absolutely ruins the day. I don’t understand that. I’m saying relax and enjoy your time on the course; savor it, soak in the sights, enjoy the good company of your friends. By all means keep up with the group in front, but why rush around trying to set some kind of speed record. That’s not what golf is about for me and I would say to anybody that in my opinion you’re potentially missing out on a more enjoyable experience by letting matters out of your control bother you that much.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
I agree
4 hours is a reasonable and comfortable pace. The 5 hour round, at least on the courses I play, is extremely rare anyway. However when I’ve ran into one, it didn’t bother me at all; I look at as extra time doing what I love. Why the hurry to leave a golf course? These people that can’t seem to enjoy themselves unless play is flying along, sorry I don’t get it, at all.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
By the way
the difference between a 4 hour round and a 5 hour round is only about 3.5 minutes per hole. 3 minutes extra per hole is hardly going to kill anybody.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
TH, if you are waiting 3 minutes every hole to hit 2 shots
and the jerk in front of you couldn’t care less, I’d say he has spoiled your perfect day.
I'll never
let another group’s behavior (something I have no control over) influence my enjoyment of a round of golf. It’s about perspective, and that’s mine.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
You are more tolerant than me mate
I play golf by the rules, as I know you do. One of those rules is considering others on the golf course. If they don’t, it is my duty to challenge them to let me through and kindly remind them there are others to consider. Just vasic good manners really. If someone was that rude to you in the street, I’m sure you would not be so tolerant.
I understand Easing
I don’t get that many rounds in so I’m going to make the most what time I do get to play. And really, it’s a pretty rare thing (at least for me) to run into situations where another group is behaving as you describe. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
I'm jealous
One day, I’ll get there.
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
~ William Blake
TH:
Don’t try to convince EZ….it’s like trying to teach a pig to sing….It’ll only frustrate you and annoy the pig… It’s a little know fact that Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with an 11th commandmant that said, “Golf shall have no time limit” But the R&A was there at the base of the mountain and deleted it….. Now, golfers are destined to grouse about slow play for all eternity….. Thus saith Pingforever….Amen
If you ever play 18 holes again Ping
I hope you are not behind someone who has no consideration of you behind him and refuses to let you through. If you think 5 hours is acceptable for 18 holes with no one ahead of you, I’m not surprised you stopped playing. Walking normal is 3 MPH…a round of golf is about 4 or 5 miles, so that’s 2 hours walking at most. The other 2 is hitting shots. Surly you don’t need another hour ?
Eaz:
I never said 5 hours was acceptable. My ONLY point was there shouldn’t be such an emphasis on ANY time limit. Try Wendy’s approach (below) might help to keep your Blood Pressure down.
I can't agree there Ping
if there was no emphasis on a time limit, the bad few would spoil it for the good many.
I like your philosophy, TH
As long as you keep up with the group in front there’s nothing more you can do. If the course is chock-a-block, I can go into the mindset of admiring nature, nattering to the people we’ve caught up with (have been known to pick mushrooms, cobnuts, blackberries, undertake bird recognition, etc under these circumstances). It’s when everything is moving at a goodly pace, a good playing rhythm, and then you come across a group of exceptionally slow players who won’t let you play through through that gets everyone niggled. Agree also that those who want to set a speed record are missing something special.

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