Bob Hope Classic golf tourney plays second fiddle to Abu Dhabi links stars
by Emily Kay on Jan 17, 2011 1:46 PM EST
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January 17 -- Hollywood celebrities may make their annual appearances at the Bob Hope Classic this week, but the real stars will be ready for their closeups at the Abu Dhabi HSBC Golf Championship.
The world’s second-ranked golfer, Tiger Woods, will be the only top-five player missing this week’s European Tour tee party at Abu Dhabi Golf Course. The sizzling Graeme McDowell, who moved into a tie for fourth place with Phil Mickelson in the official world golf rankings Sunday, will square off with top-ranked Lee Westwood, Martin Kaymer (No. 3), and Mickelson.
Kaymer, reigning PGA champ and Euro Tour Race to Dubai winner, will attempt to defend his Abud Dhabi title against a strong field that also boasts 2010 British open winner Louis Oosthuizen, last week’s Joburg Open victor Charl Schwartzel, two-time Abu Dhabi winner Paul Casey, and newly minted OWGR top-10er Ernie Els.
Padraig Harrington will take his new game to the event, as will 2011 Euro Ryder teammates Edoardo and Francesco Molinari, Rory McIlroy, Ian Poulter, and their captain Colin Montgomerie.
With such star power, all eyes are likely be on the games within the game:
- Can McDowell and Kaymer, who hoisted the Africa Open trophy two weeks ago, continue their winning ways?
- Will Westwood burnish his resume with a win against the hottest players on the planet in McDowell and Kaymer?
- Can Mickelson -- playing for an appearance fee -- stay level with McDowell or put the heat on Kaymer and Westwood?
McDowell, for one, expects intense competition. “Winning in Abu Dhabi would be tremendously satisfying for me,” McDowell said, according to the PGA European Tour, “but it will be a tough challenge with so many world-class players in the field.”
Fourth-ranked McDowell and Mickelson, by the way, own 6.24 points in the OWGR. Els and Poulter share 10th place, with 5.40. Filling out the top 10 are Steve Stricker (No. 6, with 6.02 points), Jim Furyk (No. 7/5.76), Casey (No. 8/5.65), and Luke Donald (No. 9/5.50).
With his win in South Africa, Schwartzel moved up nine places to No. 23 (3.55 points) in the world rankings. Tim Clark, who shared second place at last week’s Sony Open, climbed seven spots to No. 20 (3.83 points).
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If the PGA and European tours merge one day
to form a world tour ( I expect it one day ) some events on both tours would have to drop off..perhaps becoming a Nationwide or a sub Euro tour venue. This week higfhlights that, IMO, maybe the Hope will become a very big Nationwide tour stop. As things are, as has happened this week, events like the Hope, will lose sponsors, as the games elete will be somewhere else.
There will always be domestic golf tournaments
The fact the world can support strong tours on either side of the Atlantic (not to mention smaller tours in Asia, Africa and Australia) shows this. Is it possible the Hope will become a secondary tour event when the New Golf World Order comes about? You betcha.
I still don’t understand why, if both tours are doing so well, they would merge.
As they are,
both tours are doing well, but both also have diluted weeks throughout the year. Both can’t support 50 weeks a year. but both together could. That way, Australia and the far east could join a world tour structure properly. And a top field like at the Players could play the Aussie open and other countries, etc.
But both are supporting 50 weeks a year now
even with diluted fields. Sure there are tournaments stronger or weaker than others in prestige, field strength and purse, but that will always be the case in any tour; even the theoretical World Tour.
From a business standpoint, why would either the US or European PGA Tours propose merging? More importantly, why would the rank and file of each tour sign off on the merge/Wolrd Tour if it is obvious that the non-elite players wouldn’t have a place in said tour?
In essance
the European tour Is a world tour. They had to expand that way because of the general European climate.They gathered in the Austrailian and South African tours the PGA tou rhad nothing to do with. 3 majors and a great economy substained the PGA tour many years after WW2 and there was no need for anything else. But like a lot of other sports that are played around the world, golf has expanded. One tour has become but a part of a global game. When Palmer played in the British Open and revitalized it, along with TV, golf would always grow worldwide. The WGC events and majors counting on both main tours is the beginning of it. The Fed Ex cup was a last ditch attempt to keep sponsors in the US where it is natural not to watch sports abroad.
As for the non elete, they exist now on Nationwide/Euro pro tours already. It’s just a case of the top 100-150 players from the rankings list playing on a world tour. Qualifying would take place every year like it does now for individual tours. The top 100 or so keep their card like they do now. It’s not a case what the players want. It is what world competition demands. With most of the top players in Abu Dhabi this week, it is more proof how the game is changing. This would not have happened 20 years ago.
Two questions
Where is this demand for world competition manifesting itself in a way tournaments will have to go away and tours will have to merge? The golf customer gets to have both the Abu Dhabi and Bob Hope this week.
Once again, why would anyone from 75th on the PGA money list and below vote (and since tour decisions are approved by the players) themselves out of a job?
WGC events outside the USA
The tours will merge and form a world body to survive. Abu Dhabi is where the golfing world will be, not the Hope. No one in the top 10 will be at the Hope. Says it all really. It won’t come down to the outdated voting system. The top players will go where the competition is…that’s not at the Hope, is it ?
come one Two – it’s just good socialist reasoning – the world will all fold in under one all seeing eye and everybody will love each other and badness will just disappear…and golfers will just magically want to travel around the world (for free) to spread the word of golf. :-)
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Trust you to bring in politics.
World sport is played around the world. Don’t know why you wouldn’t want to see golf played on a varity of courses and conditions all over the world but the top players all together. You don’t get that on the PGA tour.
lol – I’m just teasing, Eas
I see golf played on all kinds of golf courses. The PGA Tour guys go to the UK for the British Open every year. And I see European Tour guys playing mostly resort courses around the world most of the year except for a few links courses for the British Open and the Johnny Walker.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
The tours will merge and form a world body to survive.
This is the main point where we disagree.
I will admit having one one worldwide tour with about 20 events would bring the best of the best competing with each other on the same courses would be exciting. Where I don’t agree is the idea that the US or European PGA Tours are teetering on extinction and will have to bad together to survive. Forget the fact that it would be cool; give me one business reason why the tours would merge.
Other world sports have done the same thing.
It takes time. Even Fincham has said he sees it happening one day.
Which sport?
Soccer Football has domestic league in every country. Basketball has the same. Tennis may be the best example, but there were successful domestic leagues that then were merged into one global tour as far as I know.
Tennis has pretty much dried up to coverage of four majors and a small handful of Mercedes events. In the US, we get coverage of 4 tournaments leading up to the US Open and a couple of other tournaments with major sponsorship. In the 70’s and 80’s, there was tennis on almost every weekend before technology screwed up the men’s game and turned it into a serving contest. There are tennis tournaments played around the world just about every week of the year – but you don’t hear about them.
You you really want golf to go the same way ? There are two major tours that provide top level play just about every week – and you want to turn it into one smaller tournament with a limited number of high dollar events – which will dry up the rest of the market.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
We hear about those events here
I’m guessing with your home sports ( NFL,NBA,MLB ) the rest don’t get a look in. Even European golf this week apparently wasn’t shown on the GC. We never worry that the golf interferes with football, ratings etc. The only problem with most of the top golf in America ( with a lot of internationals playing there, is the golf played. It’s target golf, just one version. Could you imagine tennis played on clay every week ? The endless rallies would kill the game. Golf needs different places around the world to play, this week is a good one for golf. The Open in July outside the US and nothing else kills the ggame more than what a world tour could bring.
hear about them – you don’t see them. we hear about them, too. They get mentioned on ESPN or the tennis channel – but the TV coverage isn’t there anymore. And I understand that things are vastly superior over there in all ways – but you can’t really believe that the major sports are worried about losing viewership to golf or tennis or soccer.
There are two reasons why the European Tour plays outside of the European continent. (majors and WGC’s aside) – weather and money. There isn’t enough money or interest along the Mediterranean to sell a Tour during the cold months – and the day and a half of summer along the North Sea really shortens the season up there. The Euro Tour has to go to Northern Africa and Southeast Asia and South Africa and Australia to find fans and cash to fund their business. This idea that you have in your head that these guys are all diplomats just out to make the world happy is utter nonsense.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
if you say so
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
I have 5 sports channels
(assume Easing has the same with SkySports package?) and can happily watch e.g. today:
soccer on SS1, Test Cricket & NFL on SS2, Euro & PGA Tour golf on SS4, & Australian Open tennis on Eurosport. As a tennis fan, I would be pretty put out to get only the handful of events you mention.
Speaking of the Aussie Open – did you see where Federer and Laver rallied the players up before the tournament started and raised $2 million for flood relief ? Sounded like it was practically spur of the moment and people really turned out.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
you got to see it on TV ? they didn’t show a thing here.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Only saw some of it
(highlights after the event) on TV, plus what I read in the newspapers. Liked the picture of a smiling Murray & Djokoavic having a hug after a match.
too bad they didn’t get it on the air here – I’m sure a lot of Americans would have contributed.
watching the replay of Hewitt v Nalbandian now – start of the third set
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Maybe they did contribute anyway?
Adam Scott put a contribution website link on Twitter for example.
Beats me – the first I heard of it was during Federer’s first round match two days ago. Nothing was said about a place where people could send money. I doubt they wanted to start a foundation that needed ongoing attention.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
No - there was no link given
on the TV coverage, but I’m sure there are links given in newspapers, etc, for contributions. No foundation required. Aussies are a really tough bunch, and although I think they would be touched by help from outside, they wouldn’t expect it or ask for it.
At least monies wouldn’t be wasted on corruption.
I meant something set up by the players who did the fund raiser. That’s really amazing if they pulled in $2 million just on site that day.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
I have the cable package Wendy
The Sky Sports 1,2,3,4, 2 ESPN sports channels (NBA,NFL,MLB,NHL, Nascar, etc} Eurosport 1 and 2. In golf we get the Golf Channel telecasts on Sky Sorts, or CBS when they do it. They often show Shell’s wonderful world of golf and old PGA tour classics too. CNN have a golf show on most weeks plus all the football and cricket of course. Good job the repeat them, I’d never get it all in.
I already stated the weather was a factor
for the European tour going worldwide. I never thought for one moment they did it to make the world happy.And you being sarcastic doesn’t work with me. Either debate like an adult or don’t bother.
no sarcasm involved
constant comments about the amount of money PGA Tour players make and how greedy they are because of it ? Telling players that they SHOULD travel around the world…for the good of the game ? They should travel around the world to “grow the game” ?
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Golf should be a world game
the players would follow suit. Just like your world, where currently you expect the world’s best to play on the PGA tour. Your interpitation of things constantly alienates you from normal civil discussion. But that’s ok too. Ignorance is bliss in some quarters.
golf IS a world game – what makes you think it isn’t ? golf is played by people on 6 of the 7 continents and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that someone has a putter and a wedge at the south pole.
that has nothing to do with professional golf. professional golf is a business. you sure you want to call me ignorant ?
and where do you get the idea that I think all the world’s best players are supposed to play in the US on the PGA Tour ? I’ve never said anything like that.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Let me see if I have the timeline for your World Tour theory
First, the Eurpoean and US tours merge into one entity (I’m still wondering how this gets past the rank and file who would be voting themselves out of a job, but for this purpose, I will ingore it). The new tour then determines approximately 20 current events that get bumped up to World status. The remainder of the tournaments on each tour get either dissolved or sold to another secondary tour. This will force the best players in the world to play each other regularly in differing venues, continents and conditions.
If that is correct, what do you say to the groups that run the dissolved tour stops and the television networks who have paid the rights fees to air the dissolved tour stops?
Well, first of all
What everyone wants to see is the best players forced to play eachother regulary. Am I wrong in the assumption ? If I am not, how do we get past this ? This week highlights this perfectly.
As for the networks that keep the PGA tour going now will trim down to a more reasonable season, say April to August, instead of propping up tour events like the Hope that mean little in world terms. Sorry, but golf is too big for the PGA tour on it’s own.
darn right – bring back the gladiators ! :-)
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
I will say you are somewhat wrong in your assumption. Everyone doesn’t want to see the best players forced to play each other regularly if it means the tour structure on both sides of the Atlantic has to be blown up to do so. I’ve seen no empirical data to show me the golf public is dissatisfied with the choices they have to elite golf action. I rather like waking up Sunday morning, flipping on TGC and seeing elite European golf, then coming back in the afternoon, flipping on CBS and seeing elite US golf.
I know the way golf is currently structured, I’ll get to see the best of the best face each other at the majors, the WCG events, the Players, and prestigious events here and there (Abu Dhabi, Memorial). And I am okay with the secondary and tertiary events around them for the up and coming golfer; how would I ever know who Robert Garrigus was if it wasn’t for the St. Jude Classic?
As for your ‘the networks that keep the PGA tour going’ comment, you treat them as if they are doing some sort of charity or some nefarious plot to cheat China, South Africa and Australia from getting to see Padraig Harrington and Jim Furyk every year. CBS, NBC and TGC get something out of the arrangement; regularly scheduled programming that delivers a well to do demographic they can sell luxury cars, brokerage companies and erectile function pharmaceuticals to.
One more thing before I go to bed. Yes, golf is too big for the US PGA Tour. Which is why there is the European Tour, the Japan Tour, the Asian Tour, PGA Tour of Australasia, the Sunshine Tour and other I’ve surely neglected to mention. They all seem to be chugging along, serving the entertainment needs of their respective customers. Your vision of a world tour would bring less product for all of the customers of all of the tours mentioned above, all for the stated goal that the best must play against the best, which they do under the current golf business model ten to twelve times a year.
Seems a lot of work for an extra couple of elite tournaments.
If sponsors abandon the "lower tier" events
like the Hope and a European event during the Players, for instance, then what ? I believe tours will trim down as the sponsors around the world pick and choose the best events. This paves the way to tours merging, ultimatly, IMO
The Hope doesn't have a sponsor, so that buoys your theory
but I don’t see the mass exodus of sponsors that would necessitate a merger between the two tours. In fact (and I can only speak for the US side of things) sponsors are coming back. Hyundai took over sponsorship of the season opening event. Cadillac is rumored to sponsor an event in the near future.
I don’t think the elite field is the only reason sponsors pay money to put their names on a tournament. Regional issues (John Deere, Greenbriar, Disney) sometimes are as important as international acclaim.
Will you concede if there isn’t an exodus of sponsors from lower tier events, there wouldn’t be a business reason for the tours to merge?
Because I think a world tour cannot happen overnight
I do think things can continue as the are for another 5 years. But I also see more moves toward a world tour, that began as soon as the OWGR started in 1985. Once money counted on both tours for majors and WGC’s, the merge of the 2 tours began really. I’d imagine money for the Players and perhaps the PGA Championship at Wentworth both counting one day as well. Time will tell, but it’s just my opinion.
yep – nearly as bad as xxx Golf Channel. They put their faith in guys like Luke Jensen for expert analysis. They do carry extra coverage of the majors, and most of the Fed and Davis Cup action.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
NONSENSE ! None of these players are in Abu Dhabi this week…. Feast your eyes on this ! :-)
Celebrity list for Bob Hope Classic
Steve Azar Country music star
Bret Baier Host of Fox News’ “Special Report with Bret Baier”
Alice Cooper Rock star whose career has spanned five decades
William Devane Actor who starred in the TV series “Knots Landing”
Eric Dickerson NFL Hall of Fame running back
Tony Dovolani Regular on TV’s “Dancing With the Stars”
Tom Dreesen Stand-up comedian and motivational speaker for 40 years
Julius Erving “Dr. J”, one of NBA’s 50 greatest players
Marshall Faulk Seven-time Pro Bowl running back, NFL multiple record holder
Don Felder Former member (and guitar player) of rock band, The Eagles
Grant Fuhr NHL Hall of Famer, longtime goaltender for Edmonton Oilers
Peter Gallagher TV star with many credits including “The O.C.”
Willie Gault Former Olympic sprinter and NFL wide receiver
George Gervin “The Iceman”, one of the NBA’s greatest shooting guards
Pat Green Recording artist with 10 studio albums to his credit
Joel Gretsch Stars in TV drama “V”. Also played Bobby Jones in “The Legend of Bagger Vance”
Oliver Hudson Currently stars in TV sitcom, “Rules of Engagement”
Scott Hamilton Olympic gold medal-winning figure skater, TV commentator
Bo Jackson First athlete to be an All-Star in two pro sports (baseball and football)
Richard Kind Longtime actor whose credits include “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” “Spin City”
Sugar Ray Leonard Legendary champion boxer in five different weight classes
Ann Liguori One of the original hosts on The Golf Channel
Evan Longoria Two-time All-Star third baseman for Tampa Bay Rays
Ryan Longwell Minnesota Vikings kicker, all-time leading scorer for Green Bay Packers
Nigel Lythgoe One of the original executive producers of “American Idol”
Greg Maddux Recently retired All-Star pitcher who won 355 career games
Rob Morrow Longtime character actor in both film and television
Kevin Nealon Member of the “Saturday Night Live” cast for nine seasons
Craig T. Nelson Longtime actor whose credits include “Coach” and NBC’s “Parenthood”
John O’Hurley Hosted “Family Feud”, played Mr. Peterman on “Seinfeld”
Kurt Russell Movie star of several box-office hits; former Golden Globe nominee
Danny Seraphine Founding member of rock band Chicago
Sterling Sharpe Five-time Pro Bowl receiver in the NFL
Bruce Smith NFL Hall of Fame defensive end
Danny Sullivan 1985 Indianapolis 500 winner, TV analyst
Tommy Thayer Lead guitarist of the legendary rock band KISS
Gary Valentine Stand-up comic and brother of actor Kevin James
Ron White Grammy Award-nominated stand-up comedian
Scott Wolf Actor most known for role in “Party of Five”
Frank Wycheck NFL tight end who was selected three times to the Pro Bowl
Different tournaments – different crowds. The European Tour has their own versions of the Hope and Pebble. They aren’t competing – there isn’t a first fiddle / second fiddle going on.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Well, I do know Alice Cooper & Sugar Ray Leonard
Abu Dhabi is going to be fantabulosa to watch. The elite ARE there.
Westwood is in Asia someplace collecting a nice appearance fee.
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
the elite of the elite isn’t in Abu Dhabi
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
sigh – your homeboy – Lee Westwood
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Is sigh your middle name court ?
You seem to be tripping up a lot lately. If you get up early enough you can watch some great golf this week :)
ahhhhh Court !!
he says, tapping on his monitor., You forgot me on you attendee list. , jes sayin
"pain is only weakness leaving the body" jumpn
are you playing ?
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
OOOOOOOOOO"H
It was a players only list. Silly me. I wish. The good news is Sugar Ray will be there and no I wont be fighting either. lol
"pain is only weakness leaving the body" jumpn
LOL – dang ! I was just going to be sure to set the DVR if you were in the field. Hey, if Dan Quayle is playing, why not you ? Right ?
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
BOY – this tournament in Abu Dhabi is sure going to be something to watch, eh ? :-)
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
darn right – you need to pay attention to these things better :-D
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
That's Court, an
old Comedy Series….gud job Wendy….STUB
STUB
Is that a catch phrase or the name of the show ? Hard to beat a good English comedy
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
not the one you said – I know “Are you being servied” – I mean the line Wendy tossed out
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens....There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books."
-- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Melish
Nope, "You're awful but I like you"
is from ancient Dick Emery comedy series. Line was always accompanied by a whacking thwack to the shoulder of whoever he said it to.
You may be thinking of John Inman, the camp assistant in “Are you being served” whose line was “I’m free!” whenever help was needed for a male customer, especially inside leg measurements.
Easy, you have to pay better attention
to Wendy…she can tell you all about those ANCIENT Comedy shows…It’s us spring chickens who don’t recall them…..jis sayin….Watch her elbow Easy, it i sharp….STUB
STUB
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