LPGA: Investigation of Ahn/Chung Remains Private
Yesterday, Golfweek's Beth Ann Baldry did some reporting to follow up on the LPGA's effort to look into the backstory behind the disqualifications of Shi Hyun Ahn and Il Mi Chung at last week's CN Canadian Women's Open.
Baldry was able to get thoughts from Chung and her caddie, but nothing from Ahn. She also independently confirmed that Chung spoke with LPGA officials on Monday.
Seeking to find out if Ahn had spoken with the Tour, Waggle Room contacted LPGA Tour spokesman David Higdon. He said, "We are not providing any details on our process of review."
He reiterated that both Ahn and Chung did eventually seek out rules officials for their punishment.
"One thing that is clear is that both players called the penalty on themselves and as a result, both players were disqualified. They admitted their mistake and accepted the penalty, so the Rules of Golf were adhered to."
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Gesundheit
GEEZ Ryan – you don’t have to type out your sneeze sounds. :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
LOL, I just got that
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by Ryan Ballengee on Sep 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Private - As It Should Be
Despite our seemingly unending appetite for the salacious and sensational, this inquiry ought to remain private until all is said and done. At that time, the LPGA can release their findings.
The players (and all involved) deserve an investigation conducted by the LPGA, not trial-by-press.
OMP, I agree, so long as the results come out either way. With how many of these things in golf go, I worry they won’t.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Sep 1, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Then do I take it that your "Beh, Oui"
comment was tongue in cheek? Based on your subequent commentson that thread, I reluctantly concluded it was meant seriously.
Yes, Tongue Firmly In Cheek
I was making fun in that…mainly of my French cousins, who refuse to speak English to me.
by Charles Boyer on Sep 1, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a lot of he said / she said and so far we don't even know what specifically "she said", only which language it was said.
From the Beth Ann Baldry’s Golfweek article:
“The players spoke to each other in Korean.” (For some that is enough to assume a conspiracy.)
“Chris Benz, Chung’s caddie,… noticed on the 18th green that his player had switched balls. He told Downey’s caddie his concerns. Benz concedes he did not know the consequences of rule (15-3b, "Wrong Ball") and had no urgent reason to talk to Chung. He approached Ahn and Chung after they left the scoring area and said they might have hit each other’s ball and should talk to rules officials.”
So on the 18th green Benz had concerns, and instead of talking to the the player that employs him, at a time when the potential existed to make things right (a 2 stroke penalty) he opts to talk to the employee of a competitor instead. This conversation takes place in English (and could be suspect as well). Then after the scorecards are signed and there is no remedy but a DQ he suddenly has an urgent reason to talk to Chung. Did Downey’s caddy tell him not to say anything until the scorecards were signed? What changed his mind from “no urgent reason” to we should talk to an official in this short time frame? Did one of the golfers delay going to the rules official until they both went together. By calling the penalty (and subsequent DQ) on yourself, you are effectively also calling the same on on the other golfer as well. You feel like you’re confessing and snitching at the same time.
There is a lot that is being written on this. A lot of it is about as much conjecture as a Brett Farve retirement anouncement.
Why would speaking in English be suspect ?
Possible that he was afraid she’d misunderstand what he was saying and fire him, so he talked to the other caddy as someone on the same level ?
BAB’s has written two articles on this and still hasn’t asked enough good questions to get any kind of picture of what happened. You just hope it was an honest mistake.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The problem is that the true principles won’t speak on this. I can tell you that from personal experience covering this story.
You cannot pin this on Beth Ann or myself. I know it’s an excuse sometimes, but certainly not in this situation.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Sep 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
why should they talk to you or BAB’s or any other member of the media ? They don’t owe you anything just because you have a card that says GWAA or run what is very possibly the best golf discussion blog on the interweb. They DO, however, owe an answer to the LPGA.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Would Brad Keselowski crew chief go to Carl Edward's crew chief with a concern instead of his own boss?
Some people have made a point that the An and Chung spoke Korean as a sign that they were conspiring. My point was that Benz chose to confide his concerns to Downey’s caddy instead of Chung who was employing him that week. And after that conversation he still didn’t feel the urgent need to talk to his employer about his concerns until after the scorecards were signed and the penalty moves from a stroke penalty to disqualification. A conclusion can be drawn that Benz’ conversation and and subsequent non-action then action could be seen as as much of a bad faith effort as a conversation in any language, foriegn or domestic.
I can’t say I’ve been a fan of Baldry’s reporting since I started following the tour. BAB’s has left some questions unasked and or unanswered (investigative reporting is not in her wheelhouse) but I do give her credit for being even handed and not inferring to much.
Ooo – working NASCAR into the mix – nice ! Slight problem, Keselowski can’t fire the crew chief – he’d have to go to the owner first.
Think we could start an “abused caddy” rumor ? Maybe work in a halfway house and therapy ? :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Keselowski...everyone's punching bag
He and Carl Edwards are like the Coyote and the Sheepdog and then he tried to spin out Kyle Busch. Bad move, he didn’t even finish that lap because Kyle put him in the wall.
NASCAR is like rasslin in a lot of ways, and BK is the punching bag.
by Charles Boyer on Sep 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of the old acronym joke ...
NASCAR: Non Athletic Sport Concerning All Rednecks
Just a joke, racing fans. Watch and let watch.
I still think you first talk the one who signs your check and whose name you wear on your bib first. I wonder what Downey’s caddy said to him that first makes him feel it is OK to let Chung walk off the green to the scorers tent without comment , but then to approach her about it after she left the scoring area when it is a DQ offense. He may not have known the rule but he should have known that the problem wasn’t going to get a better resolution after the scorecards were signed.
Makes it sound as much a caddy conspiracy
as a player one!
I know the spokesman said they will not give details of the process of their review, but will they make their final findings public?
That’s all we can hope for really.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Sep 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
By not mentioning the problem to his player (employer) prior to leaving the 18th green the caddie guaranteed he would not be getting a paycheck (beyond the contracted minimum) that week. I find it bizarre he wouldn’t say something, if only to protect his own income.
"(I)f you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated." Saul Alinsky
Personally, I don’t see the speaking in Korean part of this as an issue. The conversation could’ve been in English and wouldn’t be all that more pertinent of a detail.
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Sir RB
I don’t think the golfers speaking in Korean is an issue for those posting on this discussion but I have really seen it played up prominently on other boards. I was just pointing out that the caddies conversation could also be seen in the same dark light.

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