The Threat from Europe to the PGA Tour Is Real in 2010
We are now 25 weeks into the 2010 PGA Tour season, and the Americans are beating the rest of the world 13-12 in non-opposite field events. (Americans have won both opposite field events, so that would make it 15-12.) While critics - mostly very casual observers - throw barbs about the lack of American names etched on LPGA trophies in 2010, it might be time to take a look at how things are changing on the PGA Tour.
Bubba Watson's win on Sunday at the Travelers gave the Yankees the edge and ended a streak of three straight European winners on the PGA Tour. American players dominated the first six weeks of the Tour season, winning five in a row after Geoff Ogilvy took the SBS Championship. They also owned the Tour just before and just after the Masters for a total of a four week winning streak.
London resident (for this exercise) Ernie Els almost single-handedly kept the foreigners on the board in March. Since Jason Bohn's win in NOLA, though, the anti-Yanks have dominated. Starting with Rory McIlroy's win in Charlotte, foreign-born winners have taken seven of the last nine PGA Tour events. In that same nine event span, six wins were by first-time champions. For Lee Westwood, his win in Memphis may as well have been his first since the original was twelve years prior.
It could be complete coincidence that the Europeans (almost all) just happen to all be first-timers here in the States, but maybe this run symbolizes a transition of power in golf back to the Old World in a tangible way. Of the twelve American wins this season, only three were by first-time winners. Against the five European wins in 2010, all were first-timers. That may say something about the depth of youth on the European bench compared to the Americans. It is particularly astounding to see in a Ryder Cup year.
Only three Americans with one career Tour win or less are in the top fifteen in Corey Pavin's rankings - Bubba Watson, the phenom Rickie Fowler, and winless Ricky Barnes, whose consistency has been impressive in 2010. They are all between 11 and 14. In one sense, it could be calming for the Americans to know that older talent is still making the team. On the other hand, it could be frightening that the most prolific American young player, Anthony Kim, is on the sideline with a hand injury. The other bright young gun, Dustin Johnson, just caved at the National Open.
The names etched on trophies tell a lot more than than the sentiment in '08 and '09 that the Europeans were gaining in the Official World Golf Rankings. The point scale is biased against Americans, and favors the European and Asian Tours, as well as IMG, who founded the rankings nearly twenty-five years ago. But, in their prevalence, they make the AT&T National look bad this week because there is only one player in the top twenty that it is in the field.
Despite that, some fairly strong names are going to play at Aronimink. Still, as the OWGR as self-fulfilling and enforcing, the winner of the AT&T National will not see the same kind of benefit as they would with a more equitable system. The rankings, though, can be shed for this season because Europeans are consistently raising big checks each Sunday.
Clearly, the Americans are still the predominant country on the PGA Tour. Compared to the LPGA Tour in 2010, where just a lone American has carried the flag to the winner's circle, the conversation may even seem ridiculous. Looking at the last nine weeks, though, it is hard not to wonder when and where the American golf youth will pop their winning cherries.
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I have said it for some time..
The world will catch up and pass Americans …sheer numbers ensure that. Britain, 60 million people, will win now and then on a world stage. Americans, 300 million, will too…but on the planet of 6 billion and counting, sheer numbers will make it that much tougher, all things being equal.
It doesn't matter to me.
I just like seeing good golf and a a lot of players close coming down the back 9 on Sundays.
Sure beats seeing re-runs on TGC and the same old groveling. I’m sure we will have plenty of that this week leading up to the AT&T.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
well, they haven't been as far as rankings are concerened...
This myth that Americans are far better. It’s easy to rise to the top when most of the big events are in your own country. The point scale is biased against international players, for the simple reason they must travel away from home to compete…Americans do not.
Agreed Pro...
Ryan will bring this up, as Americans have had their own way for so long and it’s hard to let go…golf is the winner in the end…for far too long, Americans have had the best of both worlds…big purses and no need to travel far to get them. Better to have a world stage, therefore ensuring the best players on the planet compete against each other worldwide. The PGA tour will soon be just part of a world tour..within 10 years I reckon. Competition demands it.
I think it’s great for the sport, for sure. How can it not be?
And I also hope that you’re right that we eventually kind of merge this all together into a world tour. I don’t think, though, that the Masters or US Open are going away as majors anytime soon. I could see a day, though, where the BMW PGA or the HSBC Champions, or – with enough dollars – the Aussie Open could become the fourth major.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
wondering how much
Extra * moolah * Ryan made from that record setting 421 posts in tigerheads Fanpost. Me thinks that record will hold for some time to come, unless it gets reported suddenly that tiger was involved in some type of inflatable farm animal orgy and then watch the numbers climb. LOL
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Same here, Pro...
…This idea that the PGA Tour in the US is for Americans is “ludicruth” (thanks Mike Tyson). The charter for the US PGA Tour says that they are there for the best players in the world. All comers are welcome.
RB – if you agree that it’s great for the sport – then the headline shouldn’t have the word “Threat” in it.
And don’t hold your breath on a “world tour”.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I too think would be great, but the big drawback.
All that traveling , and time spent away from their families. Quite a deterrent, unless their families really suck, in which case, cool dog.
Big Drawback ? Thats what international players do already
Travel all over the globe. US players don’t have to for now.
No – the European Tour players travel half the globe following the good weather. Better pull out a map – most of the season is played in Europe and Africa – pretty much right on top of each other, so you’re not covering a whole lot of time zones there. Plus a short-ish swing through parts of Asia and Oz.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Half the golbe ?
Europe, Asia, Africa and the US.. You forget Europeans go to your country as well… make that 15 time zones…take out Hawaii and Americans have 4 time zones. Your lack of geography emphasises my point better than I ever could.
SOME Europeans come here – and most of those don’t spend a whole lot of the golf season in Europe. A few guys still try to split time – but you’re talking exceptions – not rules. SOME Americans play the European Tour, but not all that many. Some PGA Tour regulars also play the Austral/Asian swing as well – plus the tournaments in Northern Africa.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
All the top Europeans in the world top 50 play in the US in world events, majors etc...
20 Europeans are in the top 50 in the world…that’s a lot more than some…that’s the cream of Europe. In that same world top 50, there are 19 Americans…can you imagine them playing all over the world ? A few for in the divorce courts I would imagine. That’s the reality.
Of COURSE they do – the US PGA Tour is where the biggest dollars are. It is where the best players in the world gather more often than anywhere else and they want to test themselves against the best. Those guys all have houses in the US.
It’s not a mystery. It’s not arrogance. It’s just the way it is right now – and you would do the same thing if you had the chance.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You are getting away from the point..
Time zones…you conveniently left out the US when you mentioned a European Tour member’s season…and as we are talking about a European threat, we are talking the top players from Europe…20 in the top 50…more than any other part of the world.
No I didn’t – but I did assume you were talking about the majority of the players on either tour. If I “conveniently” left out the American time zones, you did the same for Americans who play in Europe.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
As Americans only play for 2 weeks in Europe
and the odd one in Asia, it can’t compare to the travel the top Eurpoeans have to endure.
Such a strong point, yet then we have to endure Europeans like
Monty when he comes over here.
Do I have to keep saying J/K?
By the way – the “sheer numbers” argument doesn’t hold much water. Just because a country is large doesn’t mean that a whole lot of that country’s best athletes are taking up the game.
Case in point ? Soccer. The US is one of the largest countries in the world, and when we get out of the round robin round, most of the world looks at it as luck or a fluke. By your argument, Eas, the US should always be in the semi-finals.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
They probably would, if you didn't have more popular "World Champions"
in Basketball, Baseball, Ice Hockey and Grid Iron…only played in the USA :)
Baseball is really the only sport that still calls it the “world championship” anymore. The others have gotten away from that one.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
better look again, RB. The World Series is still the World Series – but NFL and NBA titles are still called “world championships” can’t comment on Hockey – haven’t seen 10 minutes of the NHL this year.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The NHL, NFL and NBA don’t refer to their title games/series that way, I mean.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They don’t. They call it the NBA Finals. The winners might call themselves “world champions,” but the series isn’t call that.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And ya gotta give the Washington Generals a shot at the title.
They’ve earned it.
When the lakers won the other week, commentators called them the "World Champions"
Most of us know that’s incorrect, but a lot of fans in the US think otherwise.
I mean, if they held a real tournament with the world leagues, the Lakers would probably crush everybody, but that statement isn’t accurate.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
As I lived in LA for 14 years and watched them in the Forum all those years ago...
of course they would crush everyone. ( Roll on when they pass the hated Celtics :) ) You are right, that statement isn’t accurate, so why do some announcers still say such drivel ?
Either that or..
Perhaps all the drivel and drooling has shifted over to TGC.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Hold on there. tex ! :-D Basketball is global and there are a lot of European players in the NBA – same with Hockey…I can’t thnk of a European in baseball, but there are tons of South Americans, a number of Asians, and even a few Aussies (we have an Aussie pitcher here in Atlanta)…and we TRIED to introduce you to real football….(ducking) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I'm not so sure..
The masters and the US Open are set in stone. As the PGA used to be matchplay, maybe this could change to make the Aussie open a major. But only 4. It would dilute history too much. 5 majors is a no no
I could see a fifth one, but I’d much prefer only four. We had a debate about this last year. I’ll go find it.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
History means little when it comes to TV revenues, Ease, but...
I can see where they might work around the whole “4 or 5” argument simply by changing the “levels.” I could see where they might decide to call the U.S., British, Japanese and Australian Opens the “4 majors” and make the Masters (which seems to have universal respect) as a “World Major Championship” with the top players from each of the majors competing for ultimate bragging rights. You already have basically the same fields playing the majors, the Players, and the World Championships; which ones get termed “majors” is just a matter of how the guys with the money want it to be. Technically you would have 4 majors and a major all-star game,
It’s semantics, I know, but you know how money changes things. Tradition may give way in an effort to grow the sport… and part of that would be convincing the other parts of the world that their tours mean just as much as the U.S. and Euro Tours. I suspect that will eventually mean giving them majors.
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by Ruthless Mike on Jun 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in 50 years or so...
but money is not the main factor in history as far as sports go…it’s just money.
The top players from each major ? And you want to call that another major ? That sounds more like a made for TV event than a major. There wouldn’t be any shine taken off the Majors.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I didn't say I like the idea...
I’m just saying I could see it done that way. Things don’t have to be good for the “powers that be” to consider them if they think they could turn enough profit.
I’m sure Ease would agree with me that the Open Championship is (technically) the biggest of the majors. It’s been around the longest and has the best pedigree, although it took Arnold Palmer to get that recognized over here in America. But if they did go to 5 majors, it makes more sense to me to have 4 “Opens” in various parts of the globe and a 5th “Invitational,” which is essentially what the Masters is.
Just thinking out loud, that’s all. ;-)
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by Ruthless Mike on Jun 28, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what tennis does now. Where did you get that idea ?
Tennis has their four majors, then the Mercedes series….the top players get into….ready for this…tennis’ Tour Championship for the top Mercedes performers (which includes the majors).
Oddly enough – that’s almost exactly the same as golf
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court...
We are talking about majors being in different countries…ready for this…4 opens in different parts of the globe,(tennis) as Ruthless Mike said. The Masters would be an invitational. You have to stop thinking so inwardly about world golf played in the US because that’s where the money is, so that’s fine and dandy for Americans. But it’s an unfair advantage to the home country, it’s not really a world stage. Could you imagine a football team never playing away games ? And please don’t go on about time zones for a tournament in Australia for the poor American viewing public.
France and England are different parts of the globe ? You two have been going at each other for centuries, have ferries that carry people between, a Chunnel, and to top that off, people who swim between the two countries and a competition to build a human powered glider to cross the channel.
America is most of a continent. England and France are on the same continent. Just because they ask “why do you think I have this ridiculous accent ?”, and call you “silly English pig-dogs” doesn’t mean they are in different parts of the globe.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I don’t see how you get rid of either the US Open or The Masters. The players would show up to play Augusta even if all the Tour points were removed. And the US Open is the US Open.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
But you see what I mean.
3 majors in one country is lopsided to say the least. But as there is so much history to them already, it would be hard to change things, to say Australia and Asia for instance, along with our Opens.
you and your socialist “fairness” ideas. :-D You’d think that in a thousand year old country that laughs at American ideas of “antique”, you would understand traditions. The three majors here in the States have been huge tournaments for a long time. I think the US PGA is as big as it is based on the size of the US and how many great players generally fill out the leaderboard. Lots of other countries have their own PGA type event or Masters, but not with the same field.
Australia has to beg players to come – paying huge appearance fees. China does the same thing. How are you going to have a major in a part of the world that doesn’t have a tournament that the top names would play no matter what ? Or has to pay players to show up ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Like I said, 3 majors all those years are hard to shift.
When America had all the best players, you didn’t even need to come over and compete in the greatest one of all, The British Open. If Australia ever had a major, say the PGA ceased to be one…the only players they would have to beg are Americans, because traveling all that way, with the odd exception is a bit tough for them. But, make the Aussie Open a major, make the PGA in the US a world event, and I think even they would get the hint in the end.
Don’t forget that most of those years when The British was down, the only regular way to get to it was by boat. Commercial air travel hadn’t really picked up. The year Hogan played Carnoustie, he had to skip the PGA because he couldn’t get back in time.
Travel is going to have to take another huge leap in speed before this idea of a world tour can really happen.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
In a nutshell, other sports
( not counting NBA, NFL, MLB and Ice hockey , your national sports) are played worldwide..Golf should not be played mostly in America, despite what you think about dollars.
Easy.....I guess I understand what you are
saying, but I’m sure every tour has it’s “Majors”. It’s just the “Majors” here are the ones everyone wants to play in. If you start screwing with our majors, then you will diminish our (USA) tour. Leave it alone. If world travel is as inconsequential as you say then no one should complain about “our” majors….they can play or they can stay at home. Be thankful the BO is part of our majors.
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I do understand all that, em
World travel is inconsequential to most playing today. If there was a world tour, with a major in another country instead of the PGA in the US, for instance, that might not be the case for some Americans. There are some who even today complain about the traveling to the British, then say they can play at home and make more money at an event when all the big guns are over the Atlantic. I understood, for instance, why Kenny Perry didn’t go the other year, but it underlines how many good players prefer to stay at home at a time when the world wants to see all the top players. Th PGA tour is the premier tour, always has been and will always be. An official world tour, where all the tours would be a part of, is a natural progression in golf. World events we have now, can and should be played outside the US, where there are 3 majors already. It would take time for some US players to embrace that, but it will come one day. The matchplay one can stay in the US, none would travel in case they got knocked out in the first round. But the less Americans in the top 50 (19 to date ) the sooner some kind of world tour will come along.
how do you figure that world travel is inconsequential to most ?
Kenny Perry skipped The Open for a number of reasons. He didn’t have a stellar record there, he had committed to a smaller US Tour the week after, and his two year goal was to make it onto the Ryder Cup team. The guy was getting closer and closer to turning 50 – and as much as you like to think that international travel is “inconsequential”, he didn’t need that kind of pounding on his body.
Put yourself in the players’ shoes. As it stands now, they only have to make a big trip for a major once a year. You can’t possibly think that the players would be thrilled to have to take yet ANOTHER three to four weeks out of their schedule to travel somewhere around the world, adjust to the time, practice and play, then travel BACK to the US, adjust to the times, and then start to prepare for more big tournaments.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I can forgive you looking at this situation
through American eyes. After all, everything has been on your doorstep for so long…why bother traveling ? Point no.1..Kenny Perry, even at his age, sitting on a plane for 8 hours does not “pound his body”. Little bit of jet lag, nice hotel, fine after a few days. Honestly. This pampering has got to stop.
You ask me to put myself in the players shoes. I’m glad you said that. You said " As it stands now, they only have to make a big trip for a major once a year " Well, yes…if they are Americans. What about the International players ? You have said before, “that’s ok, most of them live here in the US.” That"s just not true. They don’t make one big trip a year, they make several. Europeans play both tours, then China and some Down Under. And if they can do it, why can’t Americans ? It’s funny how a few Americans make the trip to South Africa each year to play Gary Players bonanza.
The bottom line is Americans enjoy an advantage over the rest of the world, as 3 majors are played at home. And even though many international players reside it the States, it’s not home. As you said above, "you can’t possibly think that the players would be thrilled to have to take yet ANOTHER three to four weeks out of their schedule to travel somewhere around the world, adjust to the time, practise and play, then travel BACK to the US, adjust to the times, then start to prepare for more big tournaments. But it’s ok for international players to do just that.
One more thing…they play at most 30 weeks of the year, the top ones less. If you make any more excuses about the traveling, I’m going to have to reach for a tissue for the tears.
yeah yeah yeah – sour grapes from the home of the last Empire (ducking) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Well, court
if you are now joking about it, I guess my points finally hit home. But like I said before, Americans can be forgiven for thinking the world revolves around them. Cheers.
lol – nah – I still think you’re wrong…logically and geographically…we’re a long way from a world tour…so I was just kidding around
whatever happened to putting one of your golf balls on Bobby Jones’ grave ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I had thought I missed the start of the seaon, mate,
So thought I would have to wait until next spring. I got tied up a bit in April ( yet more overtime)…shall I wait until then ? I still have the ball from Royal St Georges, cheers.
oh – no problem. but he IS buried there year ‘round. he won’t mind the time of year. :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yeah , he can wait, lol..
But in light of the PGA tour and sponsors, bear this in mind court..when Phil and Tiger hang up their soft spikes, it won’t be long either…what will Fincham sell the tour on ? If another superstar does not emerge, it’ll be like the LPGA in the US…so I would say, a world tour could be here in 10 years. Try not to duck too much, people might think your head is in the sand :)
Easing, if you (and Wendy UK) would like to be
on my weekly or so mailing list of goof headlines, jokes, etc., email me at txq@verizon.net.
Other golf blog e-friends have done so.
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Easing - let's talk about this
Let’s not be reckless – I mean this person is somewhat suspect, no? I mean he knows Monty Python dialogues off by heart – obscure films/songs, etc. OK – you go first – if there’s an exploding golf ball let me know – OK?
Wow! Notice how I can't reply to Easing?
There’s a Star/Rec& something flag as opposed to the normal “up/reply or action” choices one normally gets to choose from. Can this be “The War Of The Worlds”?
OK, OK, TXQ, I’ll subscribe to your website , although you must promise to explain the jokes to me?
That'll take a lot of explaining,
but okay.
To be able to reply, simply reduce the size of the text and the reply button will reappear, like magic!
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
SPOOKY !
OK – one last sip (gulp) of wine and I shall take the leap of faith. If I don’t appear on this website again – jist saying!
The reply word disappears when
there are too many replies, cuz the column gets narrrower, and then, even narrower!
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You're beating a dead ...
whichever you think is funnier, if either.
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That was their worst sketch ever.
And it was interminable.
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleese's silly walk belongs in the
Walk of Fame.
And Basil needed no seasoning in Fawlty Towers, his best work.
by TXQ on Jul 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no - not "silly English pig-dogs"
It’s “incredibly stupid ros-bifs” or “Perfidious Albion” – anyway, it would be “dog-pigs” in French;o)
Easing, would argue completely the other way. The majors have changed three times in the last century. We went from having none to having four (Brit Am, Brit Open, US Open, US Am), to having three (US, PGA, Masters), back to the modern four because that was what Arnold Palmer said it was. We’ve stuck with that for fifty years or so, but that was really only a product of Jack Nicklaus’ drive in the 60s and 70s to win specific tournaments that Palmer deemed important. Prior to Nicklaus’ focus, the “majors” were big but not considered in the same light as today’s players.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Ryan,
Palmer was the beginning of the television age, IMG etc…as you no doubt know, working in the media, that’s a powerful tool, that is very hard to alter…it was easy to alter after Jones grand slam in 1930…he was an amatuer..and that took the best part of 30 years. I would say now it is set in stone, thanks to television..
I think it could one day evolve, but it would only happen because of one of the presenting bodies folding entirely. Like if the PGA of America just decided it would have championships only for teaching professionals or something.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Uuummmmmm – the PGA of America DOES have championships just for teaching pros. – state – regional – and national
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I meant if they would only have those, not the ones for touring pros
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 28, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, I'm coming at this from a technique standpoint...
because that’s what I do in my blog, but has anyone noticed the difference in swing philosophies between the American players and the rest of the world? Americans tend to look for the “perfect swing” that will hit the ball longest (and perhaps, more impressively) while the “foreign” players (many of whom live here now) seem to focus on making the best swing for them, regardless of its length. How many foreign players have swings that look kind of odd but give great results?
I know there are exceptions on both sides, but it seems to be a fairly common distinction to me.
Mike Southern
www.ruthlessgolf.com
Not sure I agree with you – there are beautiful, technically “correct” swings all over the world. Take a look at most of the Korean women – spectacular swings. This idea of producing robotic swings really doesn’t hold a lot of water. Every swing is different – even when a player tries to copy another swing, there are differences. Adam Scott tried to copy Tiger Woods’ swing early on, but there were differences. Jim Furyk may have an all time goofy takeaway – but when he’s coming through the hitting area, his technique is as good as anyones.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The U.S. definitely has this holier-than-thou thing going.
Good thing we actually are holier than thou.
Just kidding, Easing.
You deserve much credit for understanding the situation within your own borders...
with all the hype, that’s not easy to do…cheers !
I have actually enjoyed watching European tournaments
lately and considering how much we HYPE the majors, I get why someone would by pass a lower tournament for more money in a beautiful location in Europe
We don't need to hype majors
history does that already..we know it, and the players know it too. There is more pressure to win them, for that reason alone. If one was to be killed off for Australia, it must be the PGA…that one is but a summer US Open most of the time…when it was matchplay it had a reason to exist.
The PGA Championship should go.
The fourth major should be a WGC Match Play championship. With venues all over the world. The Masters, U.S. and British Opens, and a Match Play Championship.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 29, 2010 5:58 AM EDT reply actions
TV's fine
Hi Def…….3D, and my favorite…….the mute button. I love Golf telecasts. I just don’t listen. the Directv multi-casts are to die for.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 30, 2010 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry Court......
I understood what you meant.
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Me too. There's no questiont Em understands at least half of our comments.
(I refuse to say J/K)

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