The Positives About Tiger at the Open
by tigerhead on Jun 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT
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PrintSince mostly what we hear about Tiger these days is negative, and Stub has appointed me the resident leader of the Tiger Fan Club, I feel it is my duty to document some positives from the week and there were indeed several. Many of you will continue to look for and only acknowledge anything negative, so here we go, drum roll please.
1. Tiger had another top 5 finish in a major. Yes the Tiger of a few year back would have probably won easily Sunday but he's showing he can still hang with the game's top players despite all of the injuries and turmoil in his personal life. Clearly he's NOT "done" as many have suggested or hoped for.
2. Tiger did show signs of getting his game back in form tying the low round of the week with a Saturday 66 capping the day with a sensational shot to the 18th green. That's good news heading into the British Open where I feel he'll have a good chance to do well.
3. Tiger's on course behavior was again very good. No Fbombs, and no club throwing. Considering some of the shots he hit this week, it's pretty clear he's working on his behavior and has demonstrated considerable progress.
4. In my estimation he played just as well as the unofficial number one player in the world (Phil). Not just in terms of shooting the same score, but I would say they played very close to the same level this week. That's the first time in a while he's played as well as Phil, so another sign he's on the way back.
5. Probably the thing I enjoyed most this week was the way the gallery accepted and cheered for Tiger. He electrified the crowds on Saturday and it was obvious, despite what some have predicted, Tiger still has MANY supporters and fans that pull for him and want him to do well. In my unofficial estimation the supporters still far outweigh the detractors. It was great to see!
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good stuff TH...
…can’t agree totally on #1, though. As great as he has been in his career, he has never come from behind to win a major.
left one out, too – he played his best golf not in red, but dressed as The Good Humor Man. :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
True but
I think that will happen sooner or later. All and all I still think finishing top 5 in a US Open, considering what’s been going on, is a positive for him.
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Charles A. Dana
I agree with you, but he had a Top 5 at The Masters, too. He knows how to play the majors. When we see him playing well the rest of the schedule, he’ll be close.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
considering all what's been going on ?
All self inflicted upon himself. He did play better than he has been but I believe he has a long way to go if he plans on winning tournaments and fans back. I was at Pebble Tigerhead and I can assure you that the applause was some what muted for Tiger with the exception of Saturday. The situated galleries on every hole roared for “EVERY” player that made a great shot or a birdie or eagle. The galleries were not exactly singing “Sunshine and Lollypops” as tiger was approaching each tee box. I personaly did not get to spend much time on the course to witness all of this good or bad, but both of my partners did. I’d say his anger management skills are much better from what I saw and heard. It was a great week overall for the fans and ALL of the great players on tour.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Thursday, Friday, and Sunday – you’d have to show me reasons why the crowds would be very loud ? He got good cheers and support on the first tee every day, and had large galleries. The nits seem to be waning – the rest is going to be on him. If he gets his game back, the crowds will follow – if he keeps up like this, we may end up blinded on Sundays by crowds wearing neon orange and skittles bags. :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Jumpn
whether or not it was self inflicted has absolutely zero to do with my point. The fact remains he has been going through a difficult time and has not played much. He may indeed be loosing his family. To play golf at a high level during this mess, is DARN IMPRESSIVE in my view. As far as the crowds go, they do have microphones for the TV coverage and the roars were unmistakable; easily comparable to the Phil roars. People could be seen in the background jumping up and down and the excitement was obvious. A few members of the media following his group also commented about how favorable the support was for him. It was clear the overwhelming majority wanted to see him do well, not sure how that can be argued. Detractors would not behave in that manner as they don’t pull for him and that was my point.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Well it's all good
Like I said the fans in the stadium seats cheered and jump up and down for “ALL” the players that made great shots and putts. Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m only reporting what I was told and what I saw for myself. I wont even go on about he talk around the course.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Ok so you're telling me
that detractors, those that despise Tiger, would be jumping up and down screaming when Tiger hits a good shot? Sorry not buying that at all. Haters cheer when he make bogey and they cuss when he makes birdie, I’ve seen it firsthand myself. I’m certain there were a few around and also a few classless hecklers, but the point remains, there are far more supporters then detractors, which as a fan I find to be a very positive thing. People are starting to move past his troubles and appreciate him as a golfer.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
accually, TH, stub didn't appoint you...
you did yourself, by adopting your nickname here…makes it kind of transparent really :)
Give it time...
…and I think he will be back at the top of his game before long and I do feel he will win a major this year.
For those that think breaking Nicklaus’ major record is in doubt, I predict he will win number 19 in the next 3 years and will still have plenty left in the tank.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Tigerhead............
Tiger’s my boy, and it pains me to say this, but here goes. He is all over the place emotionally right now, and frankly, he’s a train looking for somewhere to wreck. His priorities seem totally out of order at this point, and his golf mirrors his life. He needs to fix tiger the man right now. Golf be damned for the moment. I worry about old boy, as he seems so volatile moment to moment. Who do you think he goes to for counsel these days? Whoever’s been speaking to him since Thanksgiving has been pointing him in the wrong direction. I hate to see him at these events, because i know he’s going to be all over the place, and i know he’s easily exploited. The fans have been wonderful to him considering the news of his life, and i’m happy he’s more fan friendly, but man, he looks lost to me. I wish him well, and i love to see him compete, but i’d love it if he stayed away, and worked on his life. “These guys are good”, and i would watch anyway. Just sayin………
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 21, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
F&G
I agree with some of that but that’s partly my point. Don’t you find it impressive that he came pretty close to winning a US Open despite it all? Isn’t that a positive thing? I’ve had the thought also that perhaps he should take a year off but if he still loves competing, why not play some? I just think he’s too much of a competitor to sit out of the majors. I’ve found in my own life when going through difficult times that my work can be good therapy and a nice distraction from things. There’s no telling what kind of turmoil he’s dealing with in his private life, but he still has a support network, his mom, and great friends. He’s still pretty young and he’ll get through this, most likely stronger and wiser than before.
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Charles A. Dana
Sorry, but.
I have no doubt about his golf. He’s a maestro no doubt, and there are plenty of positives to speak of there. Always have been, but i wish he’d shut it down. Work on himself, now maybe his “couch” is the course, and maybe the “positive” feedback from the fans is therapeutic. So, as usual i will listen to your reasoning Tigerhead. You always seem to have the pulse of the situation. I just don’t like to see the “Cat” in this condition. All raw, and out on a limb. Great Television, and tabloid fodder, but kind of sad to me. But on the positive side “That which doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”. Um, is that postive? Well looks like we’ll be seeing plenty of Tiger, and i’m wishing him well. thanks for the perspective. Saturday was cool. Memory lane stuff. deja vu……lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 21, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Saturday was very cool indeed. Loved it. Just remember when he does win again, and we all know he will, it will be that much sweeter for him and his fans. That may end up being the best therapy of all; I think Tiger needs to win the same way we need water. He thrives on it.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
indeed.......
Wishin him well. Thanks.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 21, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
tigerhead......Positive????
I can find nothing positive in anything he does. I was willing to give him a chance, but again he showed his true colors. Right after the fire hydrant, everything about Tiger was a joke, but as the new year started all reports, rumors, and guessing was that Tiger was trying to make up for his mistakes. Indications were that Elin was trying to forgive and everyone was predicting possibilities of saving the marriage. Tiger himself in his so called new conference said golf was secondary and that he didn’t know when he might return to golf…..those things were positive. In case you guys didn’t notice, as soon as Tiger announced his “return” to golf, everything changed. Now the reports, rumors, and guessing turned to imminent divorce and no chance of reconciliation. It would seem the things Tiger told us were more lies and that once again golf (job) comes before marriage and family. So if you can find something positive about this lying, cheating scumbag, more power to you. I, for one can’t stand to watch him…..he makes me sick. Count me in the “Hater” camp.
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em66
Em66 you know I like you dude and with all due respect just because you choose to ignore the positives doesn’t mean they’re not any. Tell me logically why any of the items I listed are not true? Make an argument other than “Tiger’s a scumbag”. I understand you hate Tiger, but what would you have us do? Hang him? Does he not have any value as a human being at all? Can he not do anything good ever again?
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
I could never root for Tiger again.
I suggest those who do need to take a course in rooting.
Today's Tiger rooters must be descendants of those
who freed Barabbas. Bad call.
And though TH's piece was well written, he omitted one
positive worth mentioning:
Tiger’s positively the the worst husband/father in the history of sports.
Had to google Carruth to find out who he is,
but you’re surely right in both cases.
On a less grievous note, I despised McEnroe
his entire playing career.
Dad was a lawyer…’nuff said ? :-)
I didn’t like the outbursts – but watching him play was some of the most amazing tennis I’ve ever seen.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
True. No denying he was gifted, till he got Lendled.
Always felt Borg shoul’ve played closer to the baseline against Mac’s serve. When Borg stood so far back to receive, that gave Mac too much time to get on top of the net for easy putaways.
Yet Borg was 7 and 7 lifetime against him.
Court, you and "mean" don't belong in the same sentence.
Paragraphs, surely.
Ahh, so it's true.
One can say whatever one wants as long as one puts a J/K at the end.
(J/K)
TXQ.......It would seem
that as long as you entertain me on the course, nothing else matters. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice………well, I wonder how many times these “rooters” will allow him to fool them.
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So if a champion isn't...
…100% pure – he’s not worthy to have you as a fan ? If a guy starts to believe that he is indestructible and can do whatever he wants whenever he wants – then finds out that he is wrong and his little castle comes crumbling down – why is there no room for redemption ?
Daly and Woods are lost causes – but Mickelson and his gambling isn’t ? McDowell mentioned drinking alcohol – GASP ! Should they take the trophy away ?
What Woods did to his family (and yes – that poor fire hydrant) was bad. But the public attacks from the tabloids and “legitimate” media are just as bad, maybe worse – because they were done intentionally and for one purpose…to make money.
And every time you fall in line with the dumb masses – the more money you put in the media coffers.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I edited your comment, to save space, down to ...
What Woods did to his family was bad.
So, yes, I totally agree with ya, Court.
(Hated to delete your hydrant line. That was a pisser.)
Yes – just skip past the whole idea that people deserve a second chance.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
And should Tiger get back with his family and then continue his
cheating ways, no doubt there’d be throngs still cheering him on.
(Not saying you would, Court.)
I’m suggesting that you let yourself be affected by the media – who went on the attack the way they did for the sole purpose of making money.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I only listened to the media when there was nothing good on
HBO. Swear to God, Court.
For SURE, Court. That's brilliant writing and acting in my book.
The only vampire show/series/movie/whatever that engrosses me.
Ah, you've got me sussed, Easing.
Pretty sure I’ve just misused that word, which I presume is British. Blimey.
Doesn't take much to get me sussed or
STUB sauced.
Egads! You're right, Easing! And yet one who hits
the sauce can get saused.
To quote STUB, I need a drink.
Jist sayin.
Hey, don't ya need my
permission to use my quotes? STUB
No, not 100% pure......but
if he is 100% trash, then he is not worthy to have me or anyone as a fan. Tiger is 100% trash.
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Hmm – I’m thinking a lot of kids connected to the Tiger Woods Foundation and First Tee might argue with you on that…just as a starting point.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Anyone can throw money around,
but that doesn’t mean he isn’t trash.
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I'm with you on the First Tee and TW Foundation points court
But it was in Florida at a “First Tee” presentation that Tiger was speaking to about 300 kids preaching that, and I quote, “My Family always comes first above all including golf” it was also televised. All while he was running around with the Bad Girls. I’m not a tiger hater by any stretch, I just believe in a higher standard of Morals. “Practice what you Preach”
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
The "dumb masses".......
well, you’ve sunk to a new low. I could care less about the tabloids or “legitimate” media. I can form my own opinions based on what we know from Tigers own lips. He is morally bankrupt and admitted he let down everyone with his actions and activities. Is there room for redemption, sure, but repentance and change is required, and since he didn’t do anything to me, that redemption must come from his family. By the way, your toxic comments about most of the media are no different than the criticisms of Tiger, that seem to be so offensive to you.
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look again – my “toxic comments” (do you really want to talk like Britney Spears ?) never suggested that Tiger actually CAN do anything he wants with no fear of reprisal. I never said what he did was alright. But I did expand the list of accused to the media that went way beyond telling a story.
oh – can’t take credit for “dumb masses” – it’s a Neal Boortz-ism – coined because he got in trouble for saying dumb asses and wanted to point out the large number of “dumb masses” :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Britney Spears......?????? not a clue what you mean.
I don’t pay any attention to her……but I do think your inference that we are somehow part of the dumb masses is a stretch…no matter who coined the phrase.
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Maybe the TW Fans should..
Do a Tiger Version of , “Leave Brittney Alone” video on You Tube.
Jes sayin
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
ahhh ,,,,I believe I started that whole "jes sayin thing"
Back at me and stubbo’s days @TGC
jes sayin
He may not agree
STUBBO Michelle Wie last week T-47th I believe jes sayin {;o)
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Painful,,painful...I do believe
I need another libation to heal the pain….jes sayin…..STUBO
TXQ
Me and STUBBO don’t care, we have always thrown jabs at each other in one way or another. Tigerhead is another Golf Channel transplant as well and we agree to disagree on many topics, but I have always respected his opinion.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I figures as much, PG. I was just kidding around.
I kid around about 80 percent of the time, and the rest of the time I’m not that serious.
Admittedly broad generalization: Fathers and faithful husbands
have turned anti-Tiger. Single folk and and/or philanderers will remain blind Tiger fans.
Are you saying
that only an immoral person can be Tiger fan. I’m married, 100% faithful, and at the same time the biggest Tiger fan around. Does that make me some kind of degenerate? Is the same true for Monty fans, Faldo fans, and Norman fans?
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
come on TH – you know we only think of you as a degenerate in the nicest possible way ! :-D
I’m with you – I’m a Tiger fan for his golf. Hate what he did outside the ropes, but if we condemned everybody who did anything wrong, well…we’d be rid of traffic jams forever.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Lol court
You know what I wonder, is if all these folks are making their fantasy picks based on how nice a guy the player is? Doubt it. In fact Tiger is getting picked plenty, so I’d call that an example of appreciating his value as a golfer even though you don’t like him as a person.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead............
It’s obvious that you can’t say anything positive about TW here, as you will be bombarded with “hate” mail. Suffice to say. The Moral majority will always be negative in regards to Tiger. Always. It’s not about a golfer looking for redemption. He is judged to a higher standard than the clergy here, but the funny thing is, some of the people casting stones are doing so with venom, which belies the standards they attest to. I’m glad you found it fit to speak positively in any regards. Keep fighting the good fight. Love eventually will conquer hate. Believe. : D
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
No, I'm just saying he's gone from being my fave to my least fave. He dug his own
grave and can’t replace the divot.
Rooting for people you admire in not hard to fathom. No doubt there were plenty of
baseball fans who weren’t fans of Ty Cobb.
I spent 11 years in the Boxing Ring. and met many a fighter.
Mike Tyson made many a mistake in his personal life and I for one was like Tigerhead and many a tiger fan as it relates to Iron Mike. Over time I lost respect for Mike even though I liked his performance in the ring. Eventually reality kicks in and one has to respect the way things should be in the real world. A man or woman is only as good as their word and beliefs. Sorry if I had a typo or two, but I am triple dare ya dead dog tired lol
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn
I lost respect for Mike Tyson the Boxer, when he turned dirty in the ring, and resorted to animalistic tactics. I never had delusions of grandeur about Tyson the man. He was what he was. Golf and Boxing are Sports. I can root for a Sportsman without judging his personal life. If Tyson bit his wife, it’s their business, but when he bit a boxer in a fight, then he crossed the sporting line. Tiger’s boorish on course behavior bothered me much more than his horeish off course lifestyle. I have one man to monitor when it comes to personal conduct, and it aint Tiger Woods.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I often compare Tyson biting Evander Holyfields ear to...
Tiger having attending fans move a 400 LB loose impediment out of his way. Right or Wrong I didn’t agree with either.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
That's the weakest
analogy you’ve ever posted. Tiger “having”. Come on Jumpn. Is this the comparison Tyson biting Holyfield vs. fans moving a boulder. You must be super sleepy.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol – have to agree with F&G, pro – that’s pretty weak. Biting the ear is definitely against the rules of the game – moving that boulder is arguably against the spirit of the rule, but he didn’t break the rules.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Like I said Court
I didn’t agree with either thing. Nor did I agree with the way either of them conducted their personal lives. Personal lives, none of our business ? perhaps, but when your personal life effects the way you perform in a professional sport, then it effects the way you are viewed by the people that love and contribute to the sport that your in. Tiger lied on National TV and in front of 300 kids during a promotion for The First Tee stating, " My Family always comes first over golf and everything else" and we now know that he didn’t mean it at all. Practice what you preach and the rules of life will continue to apply. I’ve been no Angel in my life by any stretch, but I would never preach something I didn’t believe in, especially in front of my Make A Wish Kids.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I just thought it was a little odd that you would compare something definitely against the rules with something that isn’t.
By the way – why wasn’t Tyson just DQ’d for calling snack time in the middle of a round ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
He should have been Court
I was at the fight. The Ref didn’t see it happen and was shown and told about it after the round was over and at that point he could not make a proper ruling as it was after the fact and thats the rules. Wrong in my world for sure as was the 400 lb loose impediment. But thats just me. I didn’t know that fans on the course could participate with “On Course play” go figga.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
You’re telling me that the bloody ear with a big chunk taken out of it isn’t enough evidence ? Holyfield backed off as soon as it happened and pointed to his ear. Sounds pretty screwed up to me.
I agree. If player and caddy are considered a “team”, they should be the only ones allowed to have anything to do with the ball except for finding one in the rough. I was amazed that all those guys could move the boulder and not move the ball. That whole thing was just wrong.
Another thing I’ve seen Tiger get away with, is using a sprinkler head to get a second drop. While taking a drop in the rough, he dropped his ball so it would roll into the sprinkler head and he was given a second drop, getting even closer to the fairway and into shorter grass. You should have to drop inside the area you mark for your drop, and if you drop it in a sprinkler head or something like that, you redrop inside that same area. I’m sure he’s not the only one who’s done it, but Tiger is on TV more than anyone else,
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
After that Tyson-Holyfield fight, attendee Sly Stallone said,
“Holyfield should only fight vegetarians.”
I understand what you’re saying about Tyson. I felt, and still feel a little sorry for the guy. Loved watching him in the ring, and he knew the history of his sport. The guy could have been the best of all time, but he didn’t have the brains or the moral foundation that could hold up when Cuss died. As soon as Don King got hold of him – he was done. He just didn’t have the maturity.
Here’s the difference in Tyson and Woods – and I realize it’s too early to make a conclusive statement like this – but I’m hoping this is how it goes for Woods. He still has his mother with him, and he does have some very solid friends and neighbors close by and around the world who are willing to help when he calls. He has acknowledged that he let himself get away from the foundations he was raised with, and that he had developed some really bad habits.
I hope he can get himself straightened out – maybe appreciate what he has a little more – and get away from those bad habits and attitudes. I don’t see him ending up in court or jail like Tyson…but I doubt many people really expected to see Kobe Bryant accused the way he was…so we’ll just have to wait and see.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Good point court.....I think
all those who share his bankrupt morality, his absence of ethics, and his attitude of entitlement should hang in there with him…..you know, that ole birds of a feather thing. Why anyone with any class could be a fan of his, is beyond me.
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I appreciate that em66
now you’ve taken your attack beyond just Tiger and are bashing his fans who had nothing to do with any of it. It’s very misplaced and frankly rather offensive!
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead......
I was responding to a question by court….way up the page(a lot of comments got posted in between) where he asked if tiger “should be abandoned by all”…..my reply was logical……all those with the same morals and ethics should hang in there. And my statement as to “Why anyone with any class could be a fan of his, is beyond me” only means that I can’t comprehend how you could be such a big fan….not meant to be offensive.
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Em – you sure are making a lot of assumptions about the man without actually knowing him.
As pissed as his mom looked back during that first staged apology. You’re saying that it’s not possible that what he’s saying now isn’t possible – that he really has had his eyes opened to what he did to himself, his family name, and his wife and kids ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Nah,
He’s not winning golf tournaments at this point.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Court.....Assumptions????
Actually I do know him. He has told all of us that what we have been told is true with his admission of his transgressions. His lack of denial of any of the accusations tell me he is guilty and they are true. If he has had his eyes opened, I believe he would not be on the golf course, but spending all his time seeking that redemption(you mentioned) from his family. You and Tigerhead see this as a golfer who happened to screw up his private life, and I see this as a Husband/father who betrayed his family, and happens to be a golfer. I just happen to be right…..:P
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yes – assumptions. You have declared him to be morally bankrupt and absent of ethics, with an attitude of entitlement – and you’re basing all those assumptions on stories that have come out since Thanksgiving that covered parts of the last few years.
I’m saying that you can’t make those accusations based on a relatively short time period on someone you don’t know.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Come on Court.......
Tiger himself said he thought he was entitled, and he said he had not followed the values his parents taught him, and that he had left his Buddhist beliefs…..so I can base all my opinions on the things that came from tigers mouth……not assumptions. I don’t have to know someone personally, to form an opinion based on what he says and based on his actions……I’ve heard his screaming on the course, I’ve seen him slam and throw clubs and I’ve listened to his arrogant, “snarkey” replies to reporters. If you’ve not seen all these things, then you’re not paying attention. No assumptions here, just opinions based on observations and what I consider to be acceptable behavior.
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EXACTLY !! (glad you’re finally seeing things my way) :-) But you’re not giving the guy any room to redeem himself. He said he had gotten away from all of those things – he didn’t say they were useless and he was just going to do whatever the heck he wants and screw anybody who disagrees. That’s what Tyson did.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
What???
He doesn’t need me to give him room….. and redemption for him is not within my ability to give. My opinion and your opinion are of no consequence to Tiger and are for our (WR) entertainment only.
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I didn’t say he needed you to give him room – I said YOU don’t give him any room. You are so hell bent on having this guy thrown into “the pit of despair”, all you talk about is how he is pure evil. Why would you want to be so hard on the guy ?
Then – take the idea of just you and me talking about this and extrapolate it to thousands of other golf fans…again…still no skin off of Tiger’s nose until they start flying airplanes over the golf course or yelling things during the tournament….and THEN take it to the media, which feeds off of negatives like this, and makes millions of dollars.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Ok then, no, I won't give him any room......
and as far as your “pit of despair,” give me the address of that pit and maybe we can get him there, as long as the despair is worse than the pit of despair he dropped Elin into. As far as pure evil…..I’ve never said he was evil, but I’ve said he is a scumbag, which pretty much sums up my feelings. One other thing…..please let me know what media is making millions off our discussion….I would like my cut…..
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the pit of despair has a secret entrance from a tree trunk…look for the albino with the raspy voice. :-) (yes – that’s from The Princess Bride) :-)
I’m just not as quick to call him a scumbag as you – if you had said he has been a scumbag, I’d agree with you – but this isn’t his entire life – just the last few years – and he admits he has gotten away from his roots and wants to get back to them.
from that point – I give the guy a chance to get himself back together.
as long as people get up in arms over this Tiger Woods mess, the media will keep writing about it and putting it on TV. you didn’t REALLY need me to explain that to you, did you ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Princess Bride one of the all-time great flicks.
Especially the Montoya character and that swordfight.
Well then, thats where we
are differing. To me a scumbag is someone who presents himself to the world as a fine upstanding family man, and then commits adultery over and over….that makes him a liar and adulterer….then mix in his on course antics, add it all up and I think “scumbag” is being nice.
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and if he gets himself back to the roots he says he’s working on and starts living a better life ? will you be saying that his entire character has changed ? or is he completely beyond redemption ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
We all go at our own pace, forgiveness-wise, Court.
Jesus forgave with nails still in his palms. I’d’ve still felt somewhat cross.
Sure, if I see something
that indicates positive character changes, other than he didn’t drop an Fbomb or throw a club, I will reassess my position……..
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and where is this “evidence” going to come from ? you didn’t see him away from the course before Thanksgiving, and you’re not going to see him away from the course now.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You might catch him on "So You Think You Can
Lapdance."
Go ahead, Em. I'll ask Ryan to delete
mine. No problem.
It depends on what you are a fan of
I am a fan of Tiger putting it on the green from a bunker with a 6-iron at the Canadian Open. What Tiger does when he is not not playing golf is none of my business.
I agree
I just don’t look towards athletes as character role models. When one does prove to be of fine moral character (Arthur Ashe, Roberto Clemente, Kurt Warner) I appreciate it. But that isn’t the main reason I watch sports.
I see your point, TwoNuse. I'm not saying I tune into
a sport event looking for a role model. just prefer to root for people I admire. Always have. Always will. As do many others, no doubt. Class has to count for something.
Exactly Two
These self-professed Golf fans don’t care about golf at all. No mention of golf in their posts, just judgemental BS. What grave has he dug. Life goes on, and so does the golf. This story started in a positve direction, and now look who has joined in. Why would anyone of class speak on such levels as some of these zealots. Sad….sad….sad.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, my friend fg.......so now anyone
that doesn’t have their lips firmly attached to tigers butt “doesn’t care about golf at all.” What a stupid statement. We have a fan post here that is the equivalent of a snake oil salesman trying to sell us some miracle cure for all ills……….Positives???? What a crock of crap. As TXQ said, Tiger dug his grave, not me, not the media, not Elin……TIGER is responsible for his troubles. I know why you give him a pass, so none of your comments surprise me.
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Now I'm a snake oil salesman???????
em66 I can do without the insults. I’m a Tiger fan, not some kind of morale degenerate and I’m starting to get offended here! I have a right to express my view, fine if you disagree, but there are more civil ways to express it.
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Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead......No, No, No.....
you’re not a salesman. I know you’re in upper management. My comment was for the “salesman”…..that would be F&G. I will always try to be civil to you…..but do I have to be civil to him????:)
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That isn’t what he said, em, and you know it. He just pointed out that you haven’t said anything about golf – you have only condemned this man because he screwed up his private life….and that’s your perogative.
TH – is that extra virgin snake oil ? (DOH ! no pun intended – just had some cooking to do.) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
There are Tiger Woods Fans
And there are “GOLF FANS”, none of which will ever agree. The victims here are Elin and the kids and thats pretty sad. Tiger screwed up and the best he could do is have a scripted, pre-written , ( by a writer ) attempt at an apology, pre-planned and timed for maximum TV time. JMHO
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Yeah, you're tired
How long ago was that? Move on. Golf fans who post habitually about things other than Golf, are what? All these great storylines, and still Golf fans only can dig in Tiger Woods’ personal life long after the story has been told. Move on.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Jumpn
Has it ever occurred to you that one can be a “Tiger fan” and a “golf fan” at the same time?
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Of course that does exist tigerhead
And you are living proof of that. But from what I see, at least on my end of the world it’s not very common. Glad to see your part of the “golf fan” base. I don’t have written facts to back up my following statement but the majority of Tiger woods fans only watch golf when he is in the field. We had heard this from them over and over. Not you of course.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Not a bulletin.
We’ve made our choice re whom we want to root for. No big deal. Hardly.
Has it ever occurred to you that you can be a commenter/blogger and civil at the same time?
For months there’s been no nonsensical, childish name calling on this site.
Then you, son of Niblic, returned.
Good grief.
who me ???
whatchoo talkin bout willis tigerhead , me, F&G’s
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
F&G's
A fan of Tiger woods wrote this blog not me or em or TXQ or Ryan or you. We are just commenting on it as thats the entire point of blogging. I totaly have always respected Tigerheads opinions about our beloved sport and Tiger himself. Funny I have not seen you in months or ever for that matter comment on another players accomplishments on the blogs. Your always one way, The Tiger way !!! But thats ok in my world as everyone is entitledto their opinions.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Read my comments on Phil lately?
I don’t write exclusively about Tiger although i am a big fan of his golf. Funny how people who aren’t fans of his constantly have opinions about him, and funnier how those opinions have nothing to do with golf. especially here on a GOLF blog. Back to the Tyson thing. If a person who has spent many rounds in the ring begins blogging nonsense. Do we attribute it to Punch drunkenness?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 23, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
F&G..........IF
Jumpn’s comments were nonsense, which they aren’t, Punch Drunkenness would be a good excuse. I’m just wondering what mental deficiency causes your “nonsense”? I’m also wondering what mental deficiency would cause someone to write a fan post that has the word “EVER” in bold all caps 600 times in 2 paragraphs….perhaps you should get checked out.
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F&G's that could be possible.
You didn’t mention my name in that sentence so I wont point blame at you for it. Now, do I consider myself punch drunk sometimes because of my years spent in the ring ? You betcha I do, however since that time I have made a pretty good life for myself and for the people that I employ as well as for the people in charities we support. Other lifetime injuries I have sustained as a result of my years in the ring are, Half deaf in one ear, cracked ribs beyond repair, busted cheek bones and muscle spasm’s. If I could turn back the clock knowing what I know now about injuries and hazards from boxing, would I climb back into the ring again ? You bet I would. Fortunatley for me I called it quits at 28 y/o to pursue a career in boxing equipment sales and have since added the golf industry to our portfolio. Most of my time these days is focused on a niche business we started many years ago providing travel and entertainment concierge service for athletes and their families as well as executives from around the world. In conclusion I’d have to say that perhaps my years in the ring didn’t cause “punch drunkness” but rather knocked some sense into my life. “Seconds Out Baby”
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Well said, PG, though it'll likely fall on deaf ears,
even though his aren’t cauliflower.
I think the best thing that has come out of Tiger's mess
is to remind us that Tiger is NOT golf…just a golfer. The GC and some fans ( not Tigerhead ) have been forced to accept golf without Tiger for some time. Golf is bigger, but for a while the media has tried to make us believe otherwise. I still think Tigers putting has deserted him for some time and until he gets that back, he will find it hard to win. His game has showed improvement, but time is running out. I’m not writing him off, just my opinion.
Time is running out on a 34 year old golfer
How can that be? Please expound on that one for me if you will. Hey Now that Europe is on a roll. Maybe old Mother England can breakthrough, now that would be a positive story. Momentum is building in that direction.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 23, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Tiger is immortal ?
The way he swings the club, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is shot at 40. But if his putting fails him, he better be on the fairway or else. Tom Watson, 8 majors and at 33, destined to double them, couldn’t putt after that. Why do you think that can’t happen to Tiger ? If you read my post above, you would realise that.
now that's just not nice !!
Why would you wish something like that on the man ? And really…has there ever been a golf martyr ? I’ve never heard of a sports figure going out….oh wait…you meant worn out…not literally…sh…..
never mind :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
"Has there ever been a golf martyr?"
Surely you’ve read what a whiner Harry Vardon was, Court. They used to call him Martyr Harry.
Thought you knew your golf history. Get with it, guy.
Sell your computer? Not the effect I was seeking, Court.
You’re the Brobdingnagian of the blogosphere. Them’s tough e-shoes to fill.
If Court sells his computer
He can always write letters to Ryan and have them posted.
jes sayin
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Thanks, Court, I think.
At least it proves that I did indeed read Jonathan Swift.
I'm just happy
that a post written about Tiger in a positive light has gotten this much attention. Although it seems to somehow have gotten rather negative…lol
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Heck, forget about Tiger trying to
break Jacks majors record……..I’m thinking we should take Tigerhead to the record for number of comments…..do I see a Nike contract in your future????
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We get it. Some of you will praise Tiger
no matter what he’s done, what his true character is, as long as he can hit a little white ball better than the others.
It’s a matter of priorities.
Now, go work on your priorities.
TX......you're right.....
and it’s so hard to comprehend……makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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My priorities are in order
I praise Tiger when he plays golf well. For his golf.
If I am looking for someone to praise for their character, I would not choose Tiger.
Not a fan of combination plates?
Okay, your call.
I was gonna order the #14 spicey
Combo plate called , Sum Yung Hoe
I need TXQ to tell me whats in it.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
LOLLOLLOL......Sum Yung Hoe.......some
of your best work…….hilarious!!!!!
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A Monty Burns "EEEEEEXcellent!", PG.
I’m mailing you Simpsons DVD.
The Hungry Man sizes. Actually , too much salt.
Plus, I have to leave it atop the TV for hours for it to get hot enough.
lmao
Try getting a bigger TV, preferably an old one with Tubes, they get real hot.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Thanks for the tips, guys. I'll send you both
a sleeve of TV dinners, laced with ganja brownies.
I don't expect steak when I go to Baskin Robbins.
And I don’t expect my minister to have a wicked jump shot.
I'm sorry, would someone please
explain to the dumb masses guy (me)…..what the heck two just said??
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I was trying to reply to the combo platter post up there...
maybe not my best effort.
What I was trying to say is I don’t look towards athletes for a moral compass the same way I don’t look towards religious leaders for athletic prowess.
Ok, Two.....
Lets say your favorite “athlete” is Payton Manning. A fine upstanding person who appears to near perfect. Then you find out he is a member of White Supremacy groups and gives stacks of money to the racist groups. He admits he is an avowed racist. Based on your statement, he’s still your favorite athlete, because his private life does not intersect with his professional life. I’m sure you will continue to support him with the same vigor as before.
Tell me again how that works???
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em bad boy
keeping the racist thing out of the blog is always a good call.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Yeah, but sometimes you have to
cross the line to get a point across. It’s too easy for some to take one “fault” and it not mean anything to them, but if it were something else would they feel the same, i.e. racism, or Madoff stealing billions, or corrupt government officials, how about drug dealers…….there are people out there that would be alright with these things being separate from the Athletes life……all a matter of perspective.
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I will grant you your point...
I would also grant if I found out a favorite athlete of mine committed murder or rape I would no longer support him or her.
I don’t think adultery or swearing or refusing to sign autographs on the course rises to the level of any of the previously mentioned faults/actions.
I don’t believe everyone should root for Tiger, or any athlete. Liking or disliking an athlete is personal. I would say, because it is so personal, disparaging someone for their rooting interest is useless.
My biggest complaint regarding the Tiger backlash isn’t that it exists, but that the expectations on Tiger became different than any other golfer. CBS has a 18th tower full of adulterers; somehow they are the scourge on golf and humanity Tiger is.
Whoops, That would be TN, not TW. My bad.
Oh boy, I’ll never hear the end of this.
Well, I think the expectations on Tiger.....
are placed much higher because of Tiger himself. Team Tiger has always controlled the image of Tiger and elevated him to an extremely high standard. Add to that Tiger own words of family first on more than one occasion, makes him a target when he falls. Also, I would suspect there are many, many, men and women who would argue with your statement about the seriousness of adultery. Murder I agree with, but the betrayal of adultery is very close to murder and rape, as many murders have occurred as a result of adultery.
I think your comment also says that you don’t separate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the person, but in fact his faults don’t concern you enough to affect your opinion of him……that’s what I can’t understand.
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Just the opposite
I do separate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the person. There are many athletes/entertainers I enjoy watching that I know I wouldn’t want anything to do with on a personal level. I know, for example, that Martha Stewart is a horrible person to work for, but damn if her 300 thread count sheets aren’t comfortable. Since I’m not directly affected by her, I can enjoy her product.
Is this selfish and self-centered? Most likely, but I’m not choosing a President with this criteria. I’m picking which multi-millionaire golfer to root for.
We will have to agree to disagree regarding where adultery ranks in comparison to murder and rape.
I do have one question; what is your opinion of Rocco Mediate?
Rocco......hmmmm
I haven’t thought about it……I have no opinion of him. He’s supposed to be a funny guy and I know he’s had some back problems, but other than that, no real opinion.
Ok, so we differ on the “separate” thing. If I don’t like or respect someone on a personal level, I’m surely not going to waste my time cheering for him on a professional level……we are just different on that.
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The reason I asked about Rocco...
is because he is most likely an adulterer. He almost definitely cheated on his now ex-wife with the woman credited with fixing his back.
(By the way, the one critique I have with ‘Are You Kidding Me?: The Story of Rocco Mediate’s Extraordinary Battle with Tiger Woods at the US Open’ is Feinstein spends a lot of time writing about the woman (I don’t have the book handy to use her name) and never even gives the reader a nod to the idea they were making the beast with two backs. Even thought he talked to his ex-wife about the break up of their marriage.)
I’m sure Rocco’s infidelity is common knowledge in PGA Tour circles (just like Nick Faldo’s was back in the day). I’m still waiting for the outrage from people like Jesper Parnevik and Ernie Els regarding their errors.
And don’t get me started on Colin Montgomery, who got more flak for a poorly place ball mark during a rain delay then his adultery to a woman I think he got married to a week ago.
You can usually judge who's commenting to whom by the indents, Em, but
sometimes they get misplaced. Then it gets tricky, yet at other times the misplaced ones make more sense. Fo figure.
Looking back on Tiger getting fans to move the boulder,
everyone who watched that knew it was wrong. What if that was another player in the field whom the fans didn’t follow in their masses ? Would he have been allowed to ask officials to move the boulder for him ? I doubt that very much. Allowing Tiger to use the fans that way cheated the rest of the field…Tiger should have chipped out to the fairway. It was wrong.
Just like all your arguments, Easing,
rock solid.
And bolder than most.
(Delayed double groaner alert)
Congrats to Tigerhead
Your Fan Post is nearing a record number of comments. If I recall the largest I have seen is 234 but I could be wrong. Not exactly the type of comments you had in mind I’m sure but you have blown away my paultry 78 I had a month or two ago.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Everything but the kitchen sink
Seems like everyone has used my Fan Post to pile on Tiger. Not exactly what I had in mind but certainly not surprising. We even got to revisit the “boulder incident”, something that happened like 13 years ago still gets brought up frequently. What have we learned here? Nothing, just more examples of how polarizing Tiger is and always has been. Seeing how everyone has so enjoyed this, I’m announcing now that I’ll be writing another version of this at the conclusion of the British Open, assuming there are some positives to write about. I’m sure you’ll all be waiting with great anticipation….lol
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Thanks Tigerhead, lol
I will say this about Tigers chances at St Andrews…if the wind keeps down and he putts well, I can’t see him losing. He never plays great in a strong wind, his 3 wins coming in calm conditions. At St Andrews, he wouldn’t need his driver, his worst club in the bag…if it blows strong however, I wouldn’t expect him to win. And apart from his 3rd round at Pebble, he putts average these days, but we will soon see…cheers.
Easy......
Thanks for the info……Praying for wind. :)
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Lol
pulling for calm :)
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Charles A. Dana
easing,
The golf channel and all the other golf media were sayin the same thing pretty much about him for this years US OPEN. Didn’t happen. Not wishing him ill will, but I doubt things will change any at St Andrews. I’m thinking Ernie Els or Padraig Harrington.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn......you're such a nice man......
not wishing him ill and all……..and I guess Stubbo would consider my “Praying for Wind” a negative statement. So, in honor of Stub, I will amend my statement to……Positively praying for strong winds and inclement weather……in a positive kind of way…:)
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There now EM
don’t ya positively feel better….lol….STUB
Wind, calm, whatever,
you still have to play well. Certainly agree St Andrews is a place he can get away with some things, we’ll see how it plays out. I’m good either way. By the way, TW hasn’t gone 3 1/2 times around the career slam without being versatile. He’s won majors with ball striking (2006 British), he’s won them with putting (2008 US Open), and his won them with all parts firing full blast (1997 Masters, 2000 British, 2000 US Open). We’ll see what he shows up with this time, but I’m certain he’s not going to stay down forever; too much talent.
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Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead.....whew....I'm just glad you didn't say "WHO" he shows up with......:)
I see you had Kucher this week. Do you know what happened? I had him starting today and then I see he’s not entered……whatz up with that??? Now I have a 3some, thankfully Harrington lit it up.
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This is a smaller tourney, Em, so you'll win a
smaller truck.
Oh.....thanks
That’s definitely more important than my fantasy team.
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I repeat, Tigerhaed..
all 3 of Tigers wins in the British were in calm conditions. I played both courses, and I can tell you, in the summer he needs just long irons. Even then, in his 20’s if he had to get out the driver, he had one terrible round. Of course, he putted like a god. he never won a British open playing “full blast” as you put it.
One of these days, Easing, you're bound to make
a comment that doesn’t make good sense. And when that happens, I’m gonna be all over it.
Waiting in the bushes,
TXQ
2000 looked pretty good
and I remember some very good ball striking that week. Never hitting it in a bunker all 4 days would be a strong indication of that. Point taken about the calm conditions.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
I'm laughing at a post
Which starts with “All three of Tigers wins in the British”. That’s just funny as can be to me. Ask any of the guys if they’d love to win 1 British in any condition, and they’s say Hell yes, and thank you very much. You guys crack me up. A guy wins the British Open three times, and people say…….. Oh yeah, anybody could win when the wind isn’t blowing. It wasn’t a true test, because conditions weren’t bad enough". Hilarious,,,,,,you guys are ridiculously funny. Great fun though.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see why you get abuse off some of the posters here F & G
I was not belittling Tigers wins at the British Open…just pointing out that when the wind blows hard at this event, he is forced to use his driver…and sometimes Stevie Wonder would be more accurate. Tigers 3 wins to date have been on calm weeks, when his course management is superb and hitting irons off the tee for position is the right option. If he putts like he used to, and it is calm next month, I’d expect him to win. If it blows hard however, I wouldn’t bet on him. The trouble with you, F & G, you are so far up his you know what, your opinion counts for very little. Get out and catch some fresh air for all our sakes :)
Hell
Ask any Englishman if he’d like to win any major under any conditions. Again, you guys crack me up. Funnnnnny.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
As for abuse.....
Considering the sources who disagree with me to a point where they are moved to insults, and silliness. Well it’s my pleasure to bring men who claim class to such levels. Especially over a game. The best golfer in the game for an entire generation should be defended when “true golf fans” continuously look for things to nitpick his game about. I mean a guy wins three British opens, and you a Brit belittle the accomplishment because the wind wasn’t up, funny. How about this. The guy won the British open at St. Andrews at 24 years of age, and never visited a bunker over 72 holes.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
This F&G guy has reached/crawled into Niblic status. I for one
will never again read any comment , nor certainly any post, by such a childish, uncivil pest.
So get your last word in, F&G, like all children have to do, and continue your spewing to the others till they ignore you.
But do look back at this site over the last five months or so and notice how we all discussed and/debated like adults. Not hat you’ll learn anything, but you’ll spend less time writing as you read.
Probably a good idea......
or we could call a good pest control company.
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Easy....
You can’t reason with a Tiger suck-up. As for the fresh air thing…..ain’t gonna happen….his lips are surgically attached….must be a great view.
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Guys like F&G are why I cheer
against his boy. It’s not Tiger I can’t stand, but the suck-ups. F&G is the leader of the pack.
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Em...
Over the last six months, you’ve called Tiger a scumbag, racist, and other insults too numerous to mention. Now, it Tiger’s fans that are the reason you root against him?
Like or dislike who you want for whatever reason you want. Changing the reason you don’t care for Tiger to fit the discussion of the moment is unbecoming.
Two......You're exactly right......I should have said it differently....
the suck-ups were the one who originally started me cheering against Tiger, but lately Tiger has done a real good job of earning my scorn all by himself. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
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I don’t know, Eas – sounds like you’re belittling the wins to me, too.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Put it this way court
If Tiger had to hit driver in a 40mph wind would you back him to hit a 25 yard wide fairway ? Then he is in the hay and gets double bogey ? Nicklaus could hit that driver on the fairway in those winds. I’m being objective here, but for some, anything less than 100% praise on Tiger like the GC does is seen as attacking him. I have also said many times this year, Tiger’s putting is not what it was. Can anyone here say that is not the case ? I’m only talking about his golf game, not the rest of the rubbish.
When you say that he CAN’T do it, and the only way he wins in the Open is if there is no weather, that a REAL Open champion would win in the bad weather – I’d call that belittling…even though it is definitely a fact that his wins have come in mostly good weather.
They’re in St Andrews this year. Definitely a course where you can pull the driver and wail away since there is very little rough…like Daly did. So the weather is slightly less of a problem. Don’t forget that Tiger also played the game along the ground where Links Golf gets its fame – so he has to get some credit there.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Where did I say he is not a real champion ?
St Andrews, bunkers must be avoided if one is to win..not by wailing away with the driver. Tiger did this by hitting irons short of the bunkers or over them. As a 3 iron could go 280 yards on some holes you can see why he left the driver in his bag. Hoylake was the same. Daly had much more to his game that week in ’95, it almost seemed like you were belittling him :)
Pretty much every time you said that he can’t win in weather.
So John Daly didn’t win at St Andrews ? Guy had a lot of touch in his game, but he hit a lot of approaches from adjoining fairways. :-)
Tiger was the only one who played precision, links golf those weeks. I’m still amazed that more guys didn’t put the driver away, play away from the bunkers, and run shots up onto greens.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court, those weeks is what I'm trying to say...
Tiger can’t play precision golf with his driver. In calm conditions, he is so good with his irons, he didn’t need to. Can’t make it any plainer than that mate.
Also, court
We all know chipping was not Jack’s strongest part of his game. Is that belittling him ? No more or less than saying Tiger struggles with his driver. You can’t have it both ways, unless you think like the GC :)
I never said that chipping and pitching were weak with Nicklaus – I said that Tiger’s short game is better.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
oops - by the way - deux (or duh)
Eas – I’m with you. I prefer to see at least some good wind at The Open. It’s supposed to be part of the course – save the nice days for hacks like me. :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I hate the wind.....very seldom do I
play well in a big wind……of course this time of year we would love any wind…..dead still and very hot.
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We score best on a still day for sure
But when it’s a 3 club wind, i find the game twice as good to play.
Let us also not forget
Tiger missed the cut last year @ the Open. Windy Conditions ?
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
As for the wind.....
I say….Let it Blow, Let it Blow, Let it Blow……I’m thinking 30-40mph would make for a great Open.
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Drill baby Drill
Blow baby blow. Notice no mention of who you guys want to win in the wind, just as long as it isn’t TW. You guys define “hater”. You may not like it, and some of the childish ones have now resorted to mamby pambyness, but nevertheless. Anyone who wins an Open championship in any weather is um…….an OPEN Champion. I bet a particular lefty would take an OPEN championship in any conditions. I bet Lee Westwood would take an Open championship if it were played in a fish bowl.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly......the field bet.
SAD
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had a preference, I'd want a European to win
Even Garcia…this is not hating Tiger. Tiger is an amazing Golfer, might just be the best of all time. If he wins, great. The only problem when Tiger wins is the endless replays on the GC, Tiger Track etc no other player gets. And it’s not because they care about golf. It’s because Tiger sells. It’s almost prostitute like. They have a responsibilty to all golf, not just Tiger. The trouble is mindless people like you fall for the hype like lemmings. You lose your ability to be objective. Blind faith does no one any good.
Mindless?
I’m glad you are rooting for a European. Atleast that narrows your rooting interest. The field bet is………..well mindless, but i hope it blows too. That would be nice. Thanks for your objectivity. I’ll remain “open” at St. Andrews. Peace.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had a preference...
I am European, and when one wins I’m happy for them. I’m not into this "field bet " rubbish, I want golf to be the winner. These players, like us are just passing though time. F& G you really have to take a step back and look what you have written, most of the comments by people here are about the state of Tiger’s game, nothing else. You really don’t have to defend Tiger, because frankly he dosen’t need it.
Really....the state of his game.
come now. Top 5’s at the two majors this year, and he’s done. Really? That’s what these people are posting about is the state of TW’s game. Surely you don’t really believe that do you? I mean over 300 posts about the state of his game.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so you’d prefer to lose or pass on a bet that the bookies are offering ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
but for some, anything less than 100% praise on Tiger like the GC does is seen as attacking him."
Now that statement by Easing really sums it up. Just like in the blogs over there. Lord help ya if ya say anything bad. For years and years now TGC has done nothing but brag and broadcast ALL tiger ALL the time and to tigers credit justified in a lot of cases. Now if you go over to TGC and read an article by Mel or Hawk or anyone that used to praise “All Hail Tiger” all the time and they say anything remotely negative, the worshipers are all over them. Cracks me up. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Tiger has shut down his blog to commenters / cult followers and they are upset they can no longer participate in the love fest. JMHP
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I don't see how saying......
“if the wind keeps down and he putts well, I can’t see him losing” is belittling….in fact I think it was just the opposite. Also pointing out that TW has trouble in the wind is just an “educated” observation based on the historical data….(not to be confused with the Android Data on Star Trek)……:)
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Thanks em...
I was praising Tiger for his 3 wins, ie his superb course management in those conditions. Glad someone got it.
Also.............
The term “tiger proofing” was a direct result of the guy bombing the courses into oblivion by “driving” the ball too far, and thus making courses obsolete. It’s kind of like Stephen Ames’ said it. I like my chances with Tiger playing from where he has to play after those wild drives, then immediatedly getting humiliated 9 & 8. In this generation there is no golfer even remotely on tiger’s level. Only he and Bobby Jones have dominated the game to such a degree. And, Tiger has done it for 15 seasons now. All over the world. In Britain, South Africa, Australia, Dubai, California, Florida, Ohio, everywhere. Your arguments about reasons to doubt his greatness are hilarious. Who else could’ve won all those tournaments driving the ball where he does? Who is the greatest clutch putter ever? Who else has absolutely beaten the competition into submission for such a sustained period of time. (Hey T-head we’ll push you over the top)? Who else even comes close?
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicklaus was the greatest clutch putter ever.
I’ve done a lot of great stuff in the past as we all have I am sure, but as the ole saying goes, “what have you done for me lately” TW=Nada
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Not only that, Nicklaus was
able to hit fairways…..seems to be a lost art today. Nicklaus is still the best ever.
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Nicklaus had a few droughts in his career, too. I think the thing that separates Nicklaus’ skills and Tiger’s skills is Woods’ chipping and pitching around the greens. The advantage to Nicklaus’ goes to his ability to win during a period when there were fewer guys willing to be intimidated by the top dog of the day. During most of the last 14 years, Tiger has beaten just about everybody into submission. Nicklaus had a number of guys who just wouldn’t give in and made Nicklaus play his best to win.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Who ever doubted his greatness on the golf course ?
I only said he was crap with the driver. ( As far as top pros go of course )
No one doubts Jack's greatness
20 major championships speak for themselves. He is still the King of Golf. On Course and off.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
why not?
I consider the U.S. Amateur a major. So does Jack. 20 is the number.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy......suck ups want to count the
amateurs, because Tiger has more and that would put him closer to Jack.
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It stopped being a major
When somebody went and won 3 and a row, and began the assault on the major record. Go figure. When Jack won his last major the announcer said it’s his 20th major. 20 is still the record. It’s a shame the U.S. amateur lost it’s luster, because someone went and won 3 consecutive. that someone now has 17 major championships. 3 as an amateur, and 14 as a professional.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Only in America, do announcers call it a major.
Majors are Professional . Woods winning 3 in a row have nothing to do with that. I can’t believe how nieve you are.
Oh, Okay.
I was watching an american telecast, and the announcers were American, and even Jack is an american, so i’m naive as charged. sorry
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
They are NOW, but...
…not so fast, Eas. The two Opens and the two Amateurs were the majors long before the professional game was socially exceptable. Wasn’t it a British club that refused entry into the clubhouse to Harry Varden during an Open because he was a pro ?
Bobby Jones didn’t win The Masters, US and British, and PGA for THE Grand Slam.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
He sure did Court
In 1930, he accomplished the Grand Slam, winning the British Amateur, British Open, U.S. Open, and U.S. Amateur all in the same year. Back in that time period it counted as a Grand Slam. Its easy enough to verify in almost and golf history book. Me thinks if it was Eldrick, that Court would say it counted. hahaha
running away
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Gawd my gramatics stink today as with most days.
I meant to say verify in ‘any’ not and.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Next Court
Is gonna tell us that Sam Sneeds 82 wins didn’t count either because he was playing with Hickory Shafts and in the same foursome as Stub. hahaha j/k
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
it didn't "count as" a grand slam...
…it WAS the Grand Slam. That feat was why they coined the phrase in the first place.
I don’t really care if they count the Amateur as a major as long as they count the British Am winners as well. It’s a silly list anyway.
But Tiger won six national titles – don’t forget the three consecutive juniors ! (ducking) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Well, I been sitting here trying
to come up with controversial to stimulate the comments here so we can carry Tigerhead over the top to the record number of comments. You know, I think I’m all “negatived” out. Court, surely you’ve got something in reserve to get me going……:)…:)
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This wasn’t the record ?
Hmm – ok – how’s this ? Not only is Tiger’s personal life screwed up – his momma dresses him funny, too ! :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
We can go with that......it's a start....
Have you seen the commercial with all the girls saying “I swing like a girl”?? Well, I keep looking for Tiger, but they left him out……..
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Hey Em.
Do you realize you’ve posted on this ""Positives about Tiger" blog over 50 times. What does that mean? Over 50 times on a story about Tiger Woods. What???? You sure you’re not a closet…………….fan? And what’s up with the sticking up for TXQ line? "He’s Funny and Sensitive? Hmmmmmm.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I did know that. I counted them yesterday and I was a distant
2nd to court, who happens to be a Tiger supporter……go figure. As for TXQ….you said he was sensitive……I must have agreed with you…..he’s obviously very funny and you are a joke…..so, exactly where did I go wrong???
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Wow. You simply don't care how small you get. You actually think a comment
like that makes you look good and me look bad. Holy reversal, Batman!
Since turnabout is fair play, my last comment to you, Effin G, is I’m guessing that wasn’t your first Hmmmmm job.
Just got two more words for you.
So long.
Okay, you're funny......
In a sensitive kind of way. A bit touchy and emotional, but funny nevertheless. haha. So long…………..Funny.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Em, do you actually think you can alter the opinions of two guys,
one of whom has a pic of Tiger accompanying each of his comments and the other of whom has Tiger’s name within his own blogger name?
Might as well go search for aviatrix Amelia.
Naw, but I can sure as heck drive them crazy......
which in Court’s case will be a short drive……
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aww geez – I do my best to help you on your push for a record post and this is the thanks I get ? :-P
I used to teach tennis and there were girls who were good players who said the same thing. I had to explain to them that the DIDN’T swing like girls – they swung like tennis players. There were three kinds of players – guys who played like guys (mostly trying to muscle up on the ball just to swing hard), girls who played like girls (bunting the ball around with lots of giggling) – and players who swung like tennis players – with form and footwork. Same goes for golf.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
They make Husky Tennis Shorts
DOH !!!! Sorry had to go there. hehehe
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
OH ! a WISEguy, eh ? WOOB woob woobwoobwoobwoobwoobwoobwoobwoob
didn’t need them back in the day.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Hey Moe
The sign says, “Fine for Fishing” This must be the place.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
which is why he would say. “Hey Moe ! The sign says….”
ok – you’re off the decaf !
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I have a Stooges metal sign hanging in my kitchen
When they were driving around in the Fish Truck. It says,
“If not for our Tuna, try us for the Halabit”
Knuk Knuk Knuk
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I have a Stooges metal sign hanging in my kitchen
When they were driving around in the Fish Truck. It says,
“If not for our Tuna, try us for the Halabit”
Knuk Knuk Knuk
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Good thing you posted it twice, PG.
I didn’t get it the first rime.
True. Ruth left me years ago. Something about leaving the
toilet top up.
I bet tooth left him too
As the humor thing isn’t working that well. So sensitive too. Hey Francis…….have Ouimet? Not funny hunh. Quit it.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
F&G......Actually TXQ is a very funny and
sensitive guy…….on the other hand, you’re the joke.
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Thank you.
Coming from a classy gentleman such as yourself, I’ll consider that a compliment. Hint: If all you do is criticize, and condemn, you are a hater. If you have no rooting interest except against, then you’re a sad individual. Find a person to cheer for, and enjoy life my good man. Peace in the meanwhile.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I have several that I cheer for, but
if there are 150 in the field and my cheering against one person who is a liar, cheater, and serial adulterer makes makes me a hater then so be it. Maybe you could send me a “Hater” hat……I’d be glad to wear it. As for being sad…..you got the wrong guy….maybe a glance in the mirror would show you a sad individual.
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Actually i called u classy
Your assumptions about the rest may be your conscious speaking to you. And if you’re rooting for 150 golfers in the field, then……….you’ll win 70% of the time, and that aint all bad. Court is a Tiger supporter, and since this is a “positive” story, that makes since, but your posts……..here……..well, don’t
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ahem.....sense. scuse me.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to post it twice because
Because TXQ missed the first stooges thing, only to be corrected bY Court . HAHAHA
I have no clue haow it posted twice actually.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
TXQ....I'll tell you where else I can go........TO THE COURSE.......BYE!
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I've got nothing to add of substance. It's just that
242 is my favorite number.
I'm proud of you guys.
I knew you could do it……and all of it positive. I’m giving you all the day off tomorrow……go play golf.
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I'm stuck
In the dang office all day, so I’ll pick up the slack for ya em and easing.
Hopefully, I’ll get 18 or more in this weekend.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
At least you can listen to The Travelers in the afternoon, or watch Live@ pretty much all day from PGATour.com
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
True Court
I plan on throwing a few darts at my Dart Board in the office. I think it’s time for Lerners pick to go up there. Tilghman has been on it for two weeks now. I may have to come up with another version of Pin the Tail on the Donkey, perhaps a “Pin the Hair Plugs on Lerner” would be a good option.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
That's what your partners
said too….hehehe…..STUB
UNCHARTED WATERS!!!
284 and counting. I am a little worried as to what might happen if we reach 300……will we experience the Y2K syndrome and have a total blog meltdown……..the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
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Wow. Maybe the sky is indeed falling. Most people would've incorrectly
written “unchartered.” Kudos, Em.
I’m mailing you a sleeve of photos of Niblic.
Enjoy!
WOW....I win all the great prizes.......sure you don't have a toy truck???
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TXQ I'll take a dozen of the Tigers Mistresses golf balls.
O’h wait, never mind, EM is going to be sending me some when the LPGA majors are over. :o)
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
No problemo for PG. Lord knows he can
take a punch.
hahahahaha
I don’t smoke EM, but I’ll gladly accept as I can hand them out to the known cigar smoking cheaters at Sawgrass.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Hey EM...he don't smoke,
drinks them lady drinks but does go to the Sonic Drive in…..go figger that un….STUB
Speaking of Positive
Justin Rose is 7 under par thru 17 holes with 7 birdies, five in a row on the back nine. ’yeah I have him on my fantasay golf picks.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Well, good for you.....your first good pick this year......lol
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Correction my good man TXQ
He “pulled off” another Birdie on 18 finishing with a PGA 2010 low round “62” of the year to date with 8 birdies.
LOL EM, Yesterday I only had 42 points as I had the bench guys and the top pics backwards. I switched them all today. Had I had them correct yesterday I would have ended up with 67 points. Dumb ass I am sometimes.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Tough to pull the wool over your eyes, PG.
Must’ve been a good defensive fighter.
TXQ.....Ok, I'm joining you in the "ignore" F&G group.
Do I have to sign up or pay any joining fees???
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EM, I'll sign you up for the
Michelle Wie fan club. I think you get a free Happy Meal as a new member. :o)
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
No No No TXQ
The announcer said that Justin Rose was going to have a Ham and String Cheese sandwich after he finished on 18. Yeah thats it.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I've got it now "Fatal Attraction"
That’s why you guys post on Tiger stories. Makes SENSE too. A famous line in the Movie “I Won’t be ignored”. hahaha. “We’ll show him we’ll ignore him” Grow up fellas. It’s point counter point. TXQ if i think your humor is dumb i’ll call it that. Not you personally, just the humor.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, he positivley said he went to Sonic
right after he tol us how much he was watchn his KO-LES-TRAL and salt intake….jist askin mind ya, but dint ya usta havta take salt tablets during the heat, when ya sweated a lots?
I did say that for sure STUBBO
I went twice last year and am Jonesing for it now. Gee THANKS, for bringing it up. LOL
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn......I like Sonic....but on this
diet, when I get my food, I throw away the food and eat the bags…….I’ve developed a real fondness for the medium size bag….the large, not so much, but the cup carrier……oh…to die for!!!! Um Um Good.
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Yeah baby.
The Positives about Tiger at the Open story is now #1. I’d Like to thank some of the positive supporters such as yourself, myself, and EM66 whose support of this cause to the tune of nearly sixty posts has not gone unnoticed. Tigerhead………….brilliant. POSITIVELY.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Note to self
“Using the words positive and Tiger together stirs the pot”….lol
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Hey Tigerhead
If Tiger did go away, then the American Golf Fan would have to face the serious fact, that American Golf is lagging behind the rest of the world. Oh yes, we make unproven talent superstars in the media, but actual results show that the European, Australian, and South African players, are making great strides, while the Americans are losing footing. That’s the reason for the desperation in the Ryder Cup re-formatting two years ago. There is a big drop off from Tiger and Phil down to the rest of the American golfers. Point is that the pressure would be on these guys to actually perform without Tiger and Phil to shoulder the load. Who would we have………Stewart Cink, Furyk, Glover, Mahan, Dustin Johnson………..Very good players indeed, but are they ready to hold off the World challenge?
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Then your first sentence should read “if Tiger AND PHIL did go away….” You left off names like Anthony Kim, Ricky Barnes, Rickie Fowler, Heath Slocum, Bubba Watson, Boo Weekley, Sean O’Hair….
Your list includes a lot of guys who play mostly European Tour golf and never face off against Woods and Mickelson. Their level of competition is quite a bit lower because of that. Westwood, Donald, and Casey are all part timers on the Woods/Mickelson Tour. Their wins are against lesser competition because Woods and Mickelson only play 7 events that count on both tours.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I mentioned guys who either won majors,
or in Johnson’s case just lost one. The rest of the pack is just that. They are good players, but we now see the Euros breaking through and winning Majors. Is it all cyclical, maybe, but even if it is. American golf has long been about Tiger and Phil. Duval a decade ago was the third in the mix. The rest of the players you have mentioned are hopefuls. They must learn (as Johnson just did) that a major is much more of a test of everything, than the average tour stop. Westwood, and Casey are threatening at Major after Major. Harrington has broken through 3 times. Even on the U.S. Tour with all the “tough” competition. The “others” have won three consecutive stops, and Justin Rose is romping (so far) this week. Without Tiger and Phil (wasn’t in the opening, because noone speaks of him going away) the U.S. Tour would be being dominated by non-U.S. participants. I mean Bubba Watson, Boo Weekley, Ricky Barnes…………they have a long way to go. Flashy yes, but 72 holes……….Not yet. jes sayin.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would argue, court,
That Mickleson couldn’t handle some of the conditions in Europe, ie the weather. It’s changed a lot these days, but Europeans after the Watson era were far better shotmakers, they had to be in such weather and conditions they played in. Casey, Harrington and co now hit the ball higher, because a lot of golf is played in the States. They had to change the way they played. In Europe, one had to keep the ball lower, sadly a lot of they courses the pros play are target golf now. It goes a long way explaining as to why Phil’s best finish at the British is 3rd. Woods, obviously wins everywhere, but has lost out a few times over here to Europeans.
Still though
Stewart Cink won the Open last year when it blew, and he’s not a european player. the thing that’s been holding the Euros back for a generation has been pressure management in Major Tournaments. Colin Montgomery could have easily won 5 Majors, but he has not been able to manage his nerves. Same with Westwood these days. Majors are played and won in many conditions, but it’s managing oneself on Sunday that separates champions from also rans. Who was the player who imploded on Sunday at the Open last year. It’s not just the wind which decides the Open. Frankly, the Open has become a luck tournament lately. Luck of the draw so to speak. If you tee off at the right time of day it can be a 6 or 7 stroke difference vs. the other time of day. Is it fair? Arguable, is it luck. definitely. Wind, course length, et. al. are excuses. Faldo won here, and there. Norman lost here and there. It’s not the elements which decides, it’s the players ability to manage themselves which establishes champions.
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by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
In the Open, top players want the wind to blow.
it separates the good from the great, in that event. Faldo didn’t win here and there by the way, he won 6 majors, 2 more than Phil to date.
So Stewart Cink is great?
Not arguing, but If the wind on thursday is 10 mph. on thurs. a.m., & 40 that evening. It has nothing to do with Friday. It’s random. Thus, to me, luck plays a big part in that equation. As for Faldo, He won Majors Here, and There. Norman lost Majors Here, and There. In the long run Luck indeed evens out, but at the Open on a particular. Luck plays a big part. Especially with the wind, and the rain. Top players want to win the Open. The wind separates you from your ball.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Major history is littlered with one hit wonders..
Cink, ( sorry Wendy ) is yet one more. Luck, as you put it, plays in all the majors. Miss the fairway by 1 inch in a typical US Open, you have no shot. Freddie Couples, 1992, 12 th, last round, ball stops up from the water. Payne Stuart, 1998, drive goes in a divot, loses out to Lee Janzen. Golf is not perfect, as some would want, it’s how you deal with those good/ bad breaks that make you a winner. The Open requires more imagination, more shotmaking , than the other 3 majors combined. Don’t call it a lottery, just the best tournament in the world.
I see where you're coming from
literally, and that’s what makes golf so great. I love the Open, because of it’s unpredictability. I think in the end, the best players do come through over a career, but i do believe that the Open more than the other Majors is often a crapshoot, and that aint all bad. Imagination, and shotmaking, for sure. Truth is, Tom Watson should have won last year’s Open, because this generation of golfers are bomb and guage, or dink and dunk. Shot makers not so much.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And the masters, has lost a lot of that shotmaking Jones wanted.
If you don’t bomb it, you probably won’t win. Was Pebble a crapshoot this year ? What about the ‘89 Masters when it rained so much ? The weather does affect the Open more than the other three, but that’s what is great about it. Golf was never meant to be played in perfect conditions, or it would be indoors.
Zach Johnson
didn’t bomb it. Tim Clark has contended there, what about Mike Weir? Augusta is an all players course. Does length help? Yes, but so does shot making and proper strategy.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Bombing rules today
The Weirs of the golfing world sneak in from time to time, holing everything that week. The set ups in the American majors all but eliminate them now.
Excuse me ? Graeme McDowell is a “bomber” ? Weir and Johnson and Immelman at The Masters ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Again, using examples of ( probably) one hit wonders
is wrong. True greats repeat as champions, on different courses. These you mention probably won’t win another. Courses have been stretched out so long now, it almost eliminates265 yard drivers from the event. Mcdowell, no bomber, still hits it out there, but the odds are against him.
So in the last 15 years, Harrington is the only great European player. (ducking)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Van de Velde is the greatest 71-hole player in the
history of the game.
They may or may not win another
But their type can still contend. They are shotmakers, the kind you recommend. they are the Gary Players of today. Sure it’s harder for them now, but that’s okay too. They still have a place in the game. Pebble isn’t overly long, and on a hard links course (hard meaning dried out), it’s about strategy. Driver may be the wrong choice, because you don’t know how far it will roll. (See Tiger using a two iron to win the Open).
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly ! The winner gets the trophy and the biggest check, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the only one playing great golf that week.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
That's right
Winning a Major is one thing, but winning multiple Majors is another. Paddy’s first major was strange. He didn’t exactly seize that one. He was just about Van de Velde himself, if i recall correctly. Now his second and third were great triumphs. It’s that first one which must be the toughest.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
the game is littered with players who couldn’t do it twice…Couples ans Love III to name but 2.
littered – strange choice of words. Does that mean that the rest of the professional golfing world is polluted with guys who never win a major ?
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just working off of your “littered” idea.
I can’t say anything bad about anybody who wins a major. Sure, a player who wins multiple majors proves his greatness even more, but if majors are that important, and someone steps up to win one, that’s pretty great.
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Agreed, cuz it's four rounds against
the best. That’s a lotta golf/pressure/ Cialis ads.
I hate to get on Wendy’s bad side – and you may or may not be right on Cink since he’s still playing some great golf – but Cink got into that playoff because Watson hit a 7-iron into 18 exactly as he wanted and it hit a hard spot on the green and ran through, and he couldn’t get up and down from behind the green. Cink got a little help from the golf gods – but he was solid in the playoff when Watson let down.
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Doubleblast you, Easing;o)
because I was trying to stay off this thread!
I have never pretended that I thought Stewart Cink was a no. 1 contender – I just happen to like and respect him as a player and as a man and therefore root for him in golf tournaments. I’m not willing to concede he is a one-hit wonder yet though. He did his homework last year by going over to Ireland and practising in similar if not windier conditions prior to The Open, and he held his nerve & emotions together even though he knew the whole world (almost) wanted Tom to win. But I get your drift & love The Open – win who may.
lol – the big question today is this – Did Maria Screama….errrr…Sharapova’s screaming on court disturb your enjoyment of those horns everyone is blowing at the World Cup ? :-)
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Mary Carillo told a funny quote yesterday:
Jelena Jankovic said she’s “seen these grunting women on the practice courts and you don’t hear a peep. Then they play a match and it sounds like they’re giving birth.”
The screaming and the coaching seem to be the only things Carillo makes a whole lot of sense talking about anymore. She suggested putting an official in the players’ friends box right next to the coach to stop the coaching.
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Hah! What a silly job that would be!
And yet it’s totally unfair that some players look at their coach to decide calls while others, like Federer, never do.
Like Carillo or Mac said today, it’s become a joke.
Tell you what.
Go back and look at Open Championship winners, when it blew, and tell me if the greatest golfers won. We’ve had some “surprise winners” when it blew, because the variable of wind is so random, and so unpredictable. Great players want difficult conditions, but gail force wind and rain, are not the conditions of choice for most Champions.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gales and rain kill everyone.
I was refering to a good 30 mph breeze. Many Americans , Scott Hoch is a good example, hate that equation you mention. They are missing out on the best, truest form of golf.
Shaun Micheel and Ben Curtis ? The battled those winds and won.
How about the winds at Shinnecock ? Everybody complained about the greens because of the wind. Same at Oakmont when the wind kicked up. Have you watched the AT&T at Pebble Beach every year ? Lots of wind there, too.
Can’t buy into the idea that windy conditions are the truest form of golf.
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Spot on Court.
Wind as a test is fine, but great golf courses stand on their own. I think St. Andrews, Pebble, and many links style courses are great no matter what the windsock reads.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
But at St. Andrews no matter the conditions. They’re not going super low. That is a test to begin with. The wind just adds another variable.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
but to their credit, the R&A sets up the course how they want and let the players decide who wins. If Tiger shoots -19 again this year – so be it. The rest of the guys should have figured the course out the way he did.
The USGA sets up a course, then adjusts day to day – which is not a good thing for a four day test.
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OK...lets have a perfect day.
No wind. 130 yards to the flag. For me, that’s a 9 iron. Hit it good, putt for birdie. Now lets have a 30 mph wind in my face. My mate, hits his 8 iron to compensate, but still comes up short. If he thought a little better, he would have known that was a 3 club wind and he should have pulled out his 6 or 7 iron. That’s the great thing about it. It makes you think more. Use you imagination. Not only is it more rewarding when you do , it’s also different each time. Now, back to that perfect day…I’ll just hit my 9 iron…I always do from here…
yeah, but
A par three playing 8 iron one day, and driver the next is extreme. Even by Open standards. Is that Golf, or survival?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Golf
Part of the game is dealing with whats in front of you, the best you can. If that’s a bogey on a short hole ( Postage Stamp at Troon ) that might be a good score on that hole that day.
So the test of true golf is being able to adjust to something you can’t see and aren’t allowed to get an accurate reading on, and might disappear halfway through a shot ?
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I'm surprised at you Court..
for a man who came over to Scotland to play golf, but still seems to want everything laid out perfect for you when you roll up to the first tee. What a boring game it would be if it were always that way.
I never said that I demanded perfect weather. In fact, somewhere in this thread, I said that I hope there is weather at St Andrews next month. I enjoyed the challenge of the wind, and was fascinated that halfway through a hole, we could get soaked in rain, and be dried off by the next green.
However, I’m not going to say that the true test of golf is the weather. It’s an additional challenge, but not the only thing that makes golf great.
I get tired of the PGA Tour guys whining about manacured courses with perfectly prepared bunkers and greens – but I am also amazed at the shots they pull off from the rough and out of trees and other very tough lies.
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Yep, ya gotta separate the boys from the gales.
No one can play well when conditions are really ridiculous.
I watch the Euro Tour just about every weekend, Eas. The weather conditions around most of the season aren’t really any different than we see in the States. Higher humidity in the Phillipines one or two weeks out of the year. And sometimes the wind blows on the links courses, but the true links courses don’t get played all that much during the season. Add to that the number of parkland and resort courses to the schedule – and I have to ask – are you SURE Mickelson wouldn’t be just as dominant on the Euro Tour ? Seems like a real stretch to me.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The Euro tour, as I have said, has become more Americanised.
Most events are played on target golf set ups nowadays, that, with more playing in America, players had to hit the ball higher. Equipment has changed things in that direction also. 25 years ago, events were held on classic courses more, hence shotmaking was the norm. Links golf ? Sadly, just played twice a year now.
Agreed
The demise, or removal of links style golf from tour is regrettable. Shotmaking has become merely a short game issue.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you’re talking about, Eas. Courses 25 years ago ? (“race wars in New Jersey ? A girl named John ??”) (sorry – Buckaroo Banzai flashback) The Tour is what it is now. If Mickelson picked up the family and moved to Europe to play that tour, he would be playing the courses as they are now.
Are you saying that the Europeans who came to the US tour left because they couldn’t play shots low enough a couple weeks of the year ? Harrington had to learn how to hit the ball high to excell in the US, but he has won the British twice.
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Courses in Europe 25 years ago, Court.
Harrington grew up on links, Court…he wouldn’t forget how to play them. Mickleson is my example of an American who hardly plays worldwide. I can’t blame him, but as I have said before, Europeans play a lot in the States now, but it’s not home…that makes it harder for them, IMO..
Mickleson wouldn't figure much...
can’t breathe outside the States for more than 2 weeks at a time :)
"I watch the Euro Tour just about every weekend, Eas."
So you’re the one, Court.
Wow. 385 comments, and no one's yet to take a
bathroom break.
Gotta be a record tough to break without breaking a kidney.
LOL...I'm going on my 2nd night shift during these disscussions...
last one tomorrow night, should be up to 450 by then…
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