Tiger, IMG & the PGA Tour: The Battle for Pro Golf in the United States
In this week's New York Times Magazine, Jonathan Mahler investigates what he calls the "Tiger Bubble" - the perceived phenomenon that the PGA Tour has put all of its eggs in the Tiger's basket, leaving them unprepared and incapable of sustaining the Tour in the event of his prolonged absence or retirement.
Mahler, who is not a golf reporter but clearly an astute guy, looks at corporate sponsorship in the Tiger Era. His conclusion is that the Tour is not in a very good position to handle its portfolio in a world sans Tiger, but would not be crippled by his absence.
The truth is this: ratings are down, about ten tournaments will need to secure a sponsor contract for '11 and beyond, and next year is a negotiation year with the Tour's TV partners who have surely taken note of Woods' lengthy absences in two of the last three seasons. Not exactly an enviable position for Tim Finchem.
Most of Mahler's conclusions are draw from conversations with folks from around the world of golf. He also attended the Torrey Pines event and the new Wasted Open in Phoenix. The curious thing is that both of these events have been victims of the growing strength (read: oil money) behind the European Tour's Desert Swing. While everyone has grown accustomed to the Tiger & Phil Show at Torrey each year, Tiger's absence poked a hole in the mystique that the tournament is actually a strong field. Without Tiger, the tournament is perceived to be Phil and no one else. (He sure made that evident with his Ping Eye 2 wedges.) Without them both, well, imagine Innisbrook - still solid, but not exactly magnetic to the general public.
Mahler notes that Tour purses have increased dramatically during Woods' pro career, now in its 15th season. At the same time, the conclusion of the piece is that Woods has had little impact on the growth of the sport. True, too, Woods' impact on the growth of Tour purses may well be overstated. Take the Tour Championship, for example. Tom Watson won the inaugural and took away $360,000. In 1996, Woods' first season on Tour, Tom Lehman won and earned $540,000 - an increase of 50%. Provided the same return nine years later, the 2005 Tour Championship winner Bart Bryant should have taken away $810,000. He got $1.17 million, some $360,000 more than trending would have indicated. Inflation takes away a good chunk of that, so credit Tiger for some $200,000 more for first place - if you so choose.
Total Tour purses have skyrocketed since 1974, when the total money doled out was just above $8 million. For 1998, it was $96 million. In '09, that tally was $275 million. In 24 years, the total purse on the PGA Tour increased by a factor of twelve. In the twelve years since, by a factor of almost three.
Back in 2001, Tim Finchem told media that he expected total prize money for the Tour to topple $300 million by 2005.
"I think it is not unreasonable to assume that our prize money the next four years would grow to somewhere upwards of $300 million US by the end of that cycle," he said to the Associated Press.
That was unrealistic thinking blinded by the fruits of a television contract negotiated before the post 9/11 recession. Equally unrealistic is boiling down golf's economy to a single player. Mahler addresses this in his piece by noting that Tiger typically plays a schedule in the teens as opposed to a larger PGA Tour schedule of nearly 50 events - all appropriately title sponsored today. The concern lies, though, in that the combination of television revenues and corporate sponsorship drives the Tour today. Given the downturn, how the sponsorship half of that equation continues to function mystifies critics and observers.
The other half - television ratings - continues to be a sore subject for the Tour when Tiger is not around to attract curiosity seekers (which Woods still has 15 years into his career). In the same way that Tiger has had little influence on golf participation that is now basically flat with when Tiger began on Tour in 1996, the audience for golf on TV has shrunk as well. People who play golf usually are the ones watching golf on TV. If less people play golf, then less people watch golf. This is true in the United States, where seemingly more courses are opening in former landfills than in undeveloped spaces, but it is not true abroad. The growth of the sport abroad has created a conundrum for the sport in the US of A.
That growth had been taking place on the Asian mainland for years now, but the rapid economic expansion in Indochina has created an untapped market of new status seeking golfers. The golf industry must take advantage of the opportunity. The PGA Tour and USGA - both American-based organizations - led the charge to get golf into the Olympics partially under the guise of growing the sport. The corporate community in Asia as well as the Middle East sees pro golf as a chance to showcase their gains and flex their new muscle. The result is that the European, Asian, and OneAsia Tours have stood to gain from the international corporate willingness to fling money at the game when combined with the tours' abandon for paying players to appear rather than win.
At the forefront of that marriage is IMG - the same people that represent Tiger Woods and many of the world's best golfers. A large chunk of their business comes from owning and operating golf tournaments around the globe. They arrange for sponsors, lure players (especially ones on their talent roster because of the double dip in fees), and promote the event. Since IMG does not have a large foothold on the men's prog golf in the US, the organization has opted to leverage its global resources at the cost of some stretches of the PGA Tour's schedule strength.
While IMG, a single organization with a limited stable of players, is not able to challenge the PGA Tour on a weekly basis, it has been successful at times. If a management agency can be a full service tournament operator and ensure success, surely the PGA Tour must find a way to respond. The problem for the Tour is that it does not have that capacity. Its relationship with Tour members is largely hands off and the Tour deems players as "independent contractors." Though that is a ruse in many ways, the Tour does not have the dual business interest in representing players and tournaments. Instead, it manages tournaments and venues. But what good are either without players?
That's why the pro golf tour model faces problems, and not just in the United States. The expansion of the sport has created fleeting loyalty to pro golf tours and more loyalty to sponsors and handlers. Were IMG and Octagon - its major competitor - able to join forces, they could create a truly formidable and profitable global series. Armed with all aspects of tournament services, the battle would be fierce. While it does not appear that looms on the horizon, the PGA Tour and its counterparts may want to consider a halt to bickering with each other for control and facing the common enemy between them.
Golf does not face a Tiger Bubble. It is much more than that. Tiger may have been the first golfer in decades to transcend sport in this country, but representation agencies and global economics are now in position to transcend the PGA Tour without Woods' presence. The future business model of the sport depends on the ability for tours to deliver events with star-studded fields. All politics aside, the groups that are most likely to deliver on that promise in the years to come are private, for-profit groups. That is, unless the Tour (or tours plural) decides that it is time to become a complete golf property and fully represent its players in addition to its schedule.
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In all the years I have followed golf
I can never remember any instance when a player ever complained about their salaries pre-TW.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I can’t either, really, though Jack and Arnie might have talked about it in jest.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Mar 24, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
@DrewMcCallum Well, I could envision a couple of different scenarios. A NFLPA/NFL relationship model, or Tour’s working direct w/agencies
- If the Players association model was taken (speaking from a point of view that knows nothing of the NFL but something of the NHL) then the hierarchy would invariably require the tour working directly with agencies – the players would be the players – the Agencies would be the Owners and the PGAT would be the League – Is this the basic idea you are getting at?
Yup, you got it
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by Ryan Ballengee on Mar 24, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that players aren’t contracted to a team and the PGA Tour isn’t in an ownership position with the players. The PGA Tour sets up contracts with the tournament sponsors to have “acceptable” purses for the players and charity funds.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Were discussing the possibility of a structure / not the current situation – Players (not all but some) are certainly connected contractually to certain agencies and sponsors already – and the PGA tour is certainly connected to numerous organizations – What I wonder (and i think waht Ryan was getting at) was what if the agencies themselves were connected to the PGA TOUR? What would that look like – ? Would the Tour tell Agency ILF to provide 12 players from their roster to each sanctioned event – and tell Hexagon to provide 12 players from their roster ? Allow for a number of independent spots – sponser spots – qualifying spots and hope that this led to stronger fields ?
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What you’re saying is that golf as an individual sport should move to a team sport playing a season of Ryder Cup style tournaments ? Yes – a wild thought to say the very least – fun – but wild.
If you’re going to do teams – you can’t have “independent spots” unless you mean a sort of minor league roster in case of injuries.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Not at all
This is all a hypothesizing of a hierarchical structure of PGA/AGENCY/PLAYER where by players work with their representative agency and the agency works with the PGA to actively promote the game. Each player would be independent – to the point where by their contractual obligations requires them to do some such thing (which isn’t that far off of what many pro’s are already faced with) like play a Corporate event – or host a clinic – or even play a certain tournament.
This is a format that can already be seen (in a vague way) with the likes of Club Makers player rosters – Nike and Titelist in particular – just thinking beyond the current iteration and trying to parse out the possibilities of what could be.
A roster and a team are much different things.
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe more synonymous with Professional Poker in truth – weird _ never would have put those together…. hmmm – probably fitting though
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
While they might not have complained about their salaries...
..they are certainly enjoying the Tiger-effect at this point.
Over the weekend I was able to catch a brief interview with Kenny Perry on television where he basically stated, and I am paraphrasing, that the Tour is in big trouble with Tiger not in the field. Ryan brings up some great points regarding the fact that there are other problems in addition to Tiger being away, but the PGA will never use a business model that mirrors a player’s union or anything similar. Whenever I hear the word “association” when it comes to professional athletes, I immediately think of lock-outs.
Adam Fonseca
Assocaition
“The word "association" when it comes to professional athletes, I immediately think of lock-outs.”
The difference being that Tour Pro’s are not guaranteed compensation such as NFL/NHL/etc. players are – PGA members are playing for pay – the structure of compensation would have to be greatly changed (ie. Each event has a purse (capped) and each event has a points system that allows for the garnering of points towards an EOY goal (The current Fedex system taken to the extreme) ) – Players would be foolish to agree to this unless the EOY payout was in fact paid and not simply paid into their retirement account.
Retirement account ? Are you thinking that the Fed Ex purse isn’t paid out after the Tour Championship ? That changed after the first year. Only part of the first prize is put aside in an account.
The Tour has a “soft cap” of sorts, but the front office of the PGA Tour is there to raise as much money for the purses as they can.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
For a long time now
Including here in waggleroom , I have warned about the “Eggs In One Basket Issue” I said just a few days ago in one of the blogs here in that diversification is the key to success in any business. Both of the golf related companies that my partners and I operate have been successfull because of our willingness to be diverse from day one. We require that each employee learn several positions from within , so that they can jump in to different roles if need be. The PGA, Golf Channel, Golf Digest and others need to smarten up and start promoting the TOUR as a whole and quit mongering on to the “golden goose” As I’ve said many many many times in the past. "If not for ALL the PLAYERS on tour we wouldn’t have a tour at all.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
oh SURE ! Now you want these networks to actually be VERSATILE in the way they do things ? Be willing to actually WORK at ways to get viewers interested in more than the top player and have a couple of extra names on the side…as long as they dress funny…or manage to blow tournaments in magnificent fashion…or have commercial good looks ?
HOW BARBARIC !! :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Now is better than NOT AT ALL
They should have started this years ago. Now they are moving into damage control mode not only for themselves but for TW.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Pretty sure you won’t get any argument on that point…well…maybe from GWAA member Ryan Ballengee. (JUST KIDDING RB !!!) :-)
I’m not sure they CAN do much about it now. The lemmings (aka Tiger Centric semi-golfing public) have been trained to tune in only when TW is on screen. His playing stats may have to fade and new stars rise up to beat da man before any semblence of people watching the field to happen.
Oddly enough, we’ve even heard in here how “boring” the tour was before Tiger – just a bunch of guys playing for top 10’s.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
hence the "Fringe Fans"
Truth be known, there are waaaaaay more golf fans out there, both Nationaly and Internationaly. So the media needs to get a move on. It’s the right thing to do. Without the tour there will be no TW.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
True
but in order to grow, all businesses need growth vehicles. Tiger has been a growth vehicle. I of course agree the tour has not done a good job marketing it’s product, “putting all their eggs in one basket” as you say has indeed hurt them. Tiger attracts casual fans like no other player can and the idea for growth would be that some of those fans would like what they see and become steady viewers, “real golf fans” as you would say. But the tour did not seem to have that as a strategy, at least not until recently. They failed to capitalize on the opportunity that Tiger brought them. The blood sucking media obviously hasn’t helped. Hopefully the tour has learned from it’s mistakes. Either way, I’ll be watching as long as there’s golf to watch in whatever form it takes.
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very true – but there has to be a solid foundation – not just the flash of a Woods type. When things like this happen, sponsors start thinking twice about putting up all those millions year in and year out – not knowing if the one big star is going to be around or not.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Sponsors know
that they may be able to get discount rates going forward, but the Tour is good business. The charity work is exemplary, and the game and competition is always what we love anyway. TW, or no TW. People will watch, and Business will continue. It may be recessed, but it will march forward.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true – and I’ve been saying that the TOUR should be taking the lead on lowering sponsorship fees while the economy is so down. Right now, the commish isn’t backing down on contracts – afraid he’s going to tick off sponsors for after the contracts are up.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
What about the fear of pissing off current sponsors that are locked into deals that require high payment amounts – it is hard to go back and rewrite what has already been written – a very slippery slope
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Court for commish
You have the pulse of the sport, and the drive to excel. I nominate court for commish.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don't know who the original writer is,
but there have been several good points put to the fore here…and some not so good….What everyone seems to gloss over, is the one overriding issue…THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY….when TIGAR arrived, things were pretty good, and as he IS A UNDENYABLE TALENT the sponsors all wanted into the game….This more than any other factor drove up the purses on the Tour…Another thing, and I know Easy has gotten horse saying this over and over is that the Tour itself is now a GLOBEL TOUR…When you have the Fed-x fighting the road to Dubai for dollars and interest, what do you expect….and to think that Golf will ever be a team sport begs that those talking this way, really have no clue as to it’s history…sorry if this offends some…Another culprit is TV…the large eye, has been the bain of most problems, with their networks throwing money at the sport, without regard for the sport itself…If you think I’m off base here, just look at the NFL and how it has prostituted itself for TV….There will never be a need by the tour to put all their eggs in one basket…ALL of the players have talent, and it existed before TIGAR and will exist after TIGAR, always looking for the one dominate player…History dictates this….go back from the Byron Nelson days and go forward…It’s there folks….STUB
I see it as tiger being a transcendent talent more than an undeniable talent – if you are on tour you are undeniably talented – but that does not mean you can transcend the demographic that dyed-in-the-wool golf sponsors are after – TW can and does – he can turn my mothers head just by the mention of his name, Jim Furyk not so much.
I can’t find where anyone suggested golf was a team sport – though in special circumstances (throughout history) it has in fact been a team sport (Read “The Match”) with fabulous results.
How can TV be a culprit in this? Not really following- without TV what would the PGA sell to sponsors ?
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Byron Nelson wasn’t a single dominant player except during a few of the WW II years. You have to add Hogan and Snead into those years. Then you had Player and Palmer at the end of those three – then joined by Nicklaus. Nicklaus was definitely the brightest star – but there were a good sized number of other guys who knew how to win. Then Watson…Norman…and Faldo. But none of them were, to use your word, the “transcendent” star dominating the entire world of professional golf.
Are the FEC and Road to Dubai really competing ? They don’t happen at the same time, and the best players are still playing the US PGA Tour.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Palmer was the brightest star
Nicklaus was the best player. Tiger is a mixture of those two ideals.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure about that ? Tiger is Nicklaus – Mickelson is Palmer. Tiger has the flashy, blindingly white smile and bikini model wife – but Mickelson is the personality people love to cheer for. Tiger is the “champion”.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Mickelson is not the show
They’ve tried to put him there, but it’s an uncomfortable fit. Arnie has swagger, and panache. Phil um no. Arnie’s Army, Phil um no. Tiger delivered Wins, and Ratings, Palmer was the media darling, Jack was the Champion.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Mickelson has the second biggest galleries in a tournament Woods is in. He has THE biggest galleries without Woods.
You’re right that it’s an uncomfortable fit – from a winning perspective. More often than not – Mickelson gets beat up around Tiger, but he’s still the second best player on the planet – and the fans show up to watch him. Think back on his majors – crowds stacked up around him chanting “Phil Phil Phil”.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Oh yes,
True fans get Phil, and he knows how to charm a gallery. But he’s not Arnie. Never will be. Arnie could have sold sand to a desert in his hey day. Phil is not commercial. Golf fans adore him, and he deserves much credit for his being a great golfing ambassador. But he isn’t Arnie. I don’t see it.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to take a closer look. Mickelson makes HUGE sponsorship dollars. He makes commercials. He is second only to Tiger.
Mickelnuts isn’t the champion Palmer was…Mickelson doesn’t have Palmer’s drive to win – but that’s the way things are these days compared to back then.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Okay,
I hear you. Phil has been a thrill, and he’s a gallery packing machine.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Mick and Arnie might very well be the fact that Arnie HAD to win to get by in the early days of his career – Mickelson (thanks to the increase in purses _ wasn’t that what Ryan’s post was about??) has been comfortable financially for a long time now -
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
for the Mickelnuts reference…still makes me laugh.
When I attended the PGA Championship last year at Hazeltine (thanks to Waggle Room tickets!!!) I was amazed by the movement of the gallery where Phil was…Tiger of course was like a people magnet, but I would say almost as many fans were following following Phil, too. It would have been neat to have time lapse photography…the tidal wave of people was awesome to watch from the bleachers.
I write about golf at www.tees2greens.com, too.
Arnie and Jack ???? That's an insult to both of these gentleman.
Tiger’s a mix all right, but he sure as hell isn’t in the same league as Arnold and Jack. He’s a scumbag, like Jesse James ! They could open up a joint-venture business,….call it “HoBro’s”. LMFAO……….Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
3i – There are vague stories about Arnie in the good old days and his proclivity for the ladies – that aside – Moral Indignation is a slippery slope – perhaps you would like me to question your use of the pejorative word ‘Ho’ in your post? Or the implied racism of ‘a mix all right’ ? Na I bet you just want to scream about things.
by Drew McCallum on Mar 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Take your best shot,....ahhh Drew ???...is it ?
I’m already an admitted racist in here,LMAO, so whaddya want to question me about ? I know what I know, and unlike certain PC hippocrits, I can & will back it up. So go ahead Bubba,…give it your best shot……………….Z
you're still away,...choke on it !
Stub, I will say that
it is kind of difficult for some Americans to think of a “world tour” when the Lakers, Saints and the Yankees are “world champions”. It’s not a global tour yet but it is inevitable in this shrinking world we live in.
what is the Premier League champion called ? How about “The Champion Golfer of the Year” ? :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Isn’t “Champion Golfer of the Year” the moniker that is given to the winner of the Open (British)
Do you want to start the debate about whether the Football (European) structure is one that should be emulated
- Premier League (top flight) /
-Then the Top National Leagues (Bundisliga /Serie A / Lique 1 / La Liga) /
Which leads to Champions League (Top teams from national leagues _ exact number based on a coefficient YIKES)
Followed by the Europa Championship _ Next top teams (5 , 6 , 7 from Premiere for example) – which leads to the Club World Cup
Then there are the Internationals – World Cup / Olympics(U23) / Euro / Copa / African / Asian / Concacaf / OFC – Which leads to the 6 nations
There is also the FA cup (england) and a whole number of other tournaments – it is frightening the number of tournaments that happen – alot of it has to do with the calling of the English Premiere League winner the Champion of the World back in the 50’s I think.
by Drew McCallum on Mar 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no – the topic was the title WORLD Champion – Eas was picking on us Yanks :-)
The question about the Premier League was at least semi-serious – since they’re the best Euro league – does their title game claim a world champions moniker ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
In Soccer the Title World Champion / Champion of the World is a very contentious issue – It is in fact why the Champions League exists (what I was trying to get at in an bass-ackwards way) – Calling the Premiere Champ the World champ did not sit well with the French (Does anything?) – Of course This did not Sit well with the Brazillians – Thus the creation of the Club World Cup
(From Wiki – Champions League)
“The tournament was inaugurated in 1955, at the suggestion of the French sports journalist and editor of L’Équipe Gabriel Hanot,3 as a reaction to a declaration on the part of Wolverhampton Wanderers as being “Champions of the World” by the British press, after a successful run of European friendlies in the 1950s. The tournament was conceived as a continental competition for winners of the European national football leagues, as the European Champion Clubs’ Cup, abbreviated to European Cup."
by Drew McCallum on Mar 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The European Cup as it became known, evolved into a Champions league.
This trend is an attempt by the richest clubs in Europe to form their own European league. The Premier league (Up to 1992 it was called Division 1) in England broke away from the Football league in 1993 when it wanted more TV money from Sky TV…but the biggest clubs in the league ( Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool ) want to join Europe’s elete for their own league. They want more and more money and are all powerful. The winner of the European cup each year takes on the South American cup winner…this is called the World club championship. So as you can see, it is truly international, therefor a “World Championship”. Wolverhampton Wanderers never saw themselves as “World Champions” that was just the press.
Purists would say,
give us back our sport. We don’t need all the attention, and non-golfing fandom ruining the purity of the game. Maybe bing a niche sport isn’t such a bad thing. Sure purses, and viewership may dwindle a bit, but tried and true golf fans will remain. “these guys are good” is a good slogan. “that guy is great” seems to irk golf fans. Maybe a rivalry between to up and comers will make Tiger’s absence less traumatic. All the desperate Nascar team stuff is not the answer.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
indeed.
Always been that way. The corruption of it all by technology, and Fringe fans has punched the purists in the nose. It’s an uncomfortable time to be a Fan of the game. Too much attention on one man, and too much nonsense outside the actual playing of the game. Our sport has been changed forever. Maybe, not for the good either.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The disparity between golf at the everyday amateur level and the pro level is why we watch – all of us (golf nuts and non golf nuts) – to see 1 of 2 things happen – Players play shots that we can’t (Success) and players play shots that we can (Failure) – non golfing fandom is great and much needed – is as important to the game (and probably more important) than all of us discussing at length the various scenarios that surround the growth of the game. The one in a million kid that is out there that takes up golf and excels at it because of some random comment on TV about how so and so golfer did so and so thing is what grows the game, far more than us talking about golf – we are going to talk about golf no matter what – some kid in Columbia isn’t; but because Camillo was on TV and won a Tourney s/he will pick up a club and beat a ball and wonder why anyone would ever do this…. and then s/he will do it again and be hooked for life. Purists can gripe but that is an elitist attitude – non golfers watching golf and having no idea what is going on but still enjoying themselves is what golf needs.
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful Drew
These folks don’t want non-golfers clogging up the sport. This is “true golf fan” Alley. They’ve had about enough of the “fringe” element. Take it from me been there, and have the bruises to show for it. lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol F&G's
At least your honest about it. I’ve always said that Golf needs frings fans to. The problem I have is that SOME of the fringe element arrives in the blogs and spouts out everything they read on TGC and start screaming bloody murder at the golf fans that get it. yacky yack about the PGA needs tiger to survive and blah blah blah. I for one will be happy when tw.com starts allowing his fan base back in to comment on his website again and that will probably eliminate a lot of the blah blah blah.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
You think that they will ever allow comments again? Really – Maybe moderated comments – and by that I mean – Only Nike employees and the odd sychophant need apply
by Drew McCallum on Mar 24, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you are probably correct. Welcome aboard to waggleroom drew . Myself and about 10 others bagged out of The TW Channel Blogs, I mean The Golf Channel Blogs out six months ago and it’s been fun so far. Doesn’t matter who ya route for, at least you get some reasonable people to discuss things with.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
thanks – figured it was better than just harassing RB on twitter (though don’t worry i will still do that)!
by Drew McCallum on Mar 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I will take my chances – thanks! – I wouldn’t say I am the fringe in anyway – about as main stream golf fan as you can get – but I also appreciate what growth means and why it is important.
Court stop it, lol.
and Drew i wouldn’t say you’re a fringe fan either, but ‘round these parts, if you’re not with ‘em, you’re against ’em. lol. What i think we can all agree on is we share a love and passion for the game. Which is why it will always thrive.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Great discussion here, guys. I’m enjoying reading it, but don’t want to spoil it yet! Keep it up!
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by Ryan Ballengee on Mar 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions

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