Why My Money is on Tiger for the Masters
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
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Hiatus be damned. Sure, any normal human being might have a little difficulty coming back to a professional athletic competition after being away for more than 90 days... but Tiger is anything but "normal". Consider his track record when it comes to playing in a tournament after taking a little time off for very specific reasons (family matters and injury):
2006:
- Dealing with the recent death of his father and taking two months off from competitive golf, missing the cut at the US Open, and after tying for second at the Western Open in 2006, Tiger took another couple of weeks off from tournaments until ultimately playing in the British Open... which he won.
- After the British Open, Tiger would not play again until the PGA Championship 14 days later... which he won.
- At his next tournament, the WGC Bridgestone, Tiger once again became victorious.
- Tiger proceeded to win in every single tournament he played for the rest of 2006... and then once again in January of 2007 at the Buick Invitational.
2008:
- While playing with a seriously injured knee, Tiger played in the 2008 Buick Invitational... and won.
- He would not play again until one month later at the WGC Accenture Match Play... which he won.
- He would not play again until roughly one month later at the Arnold Palmer Invitational... which he won.
- He would wait another month until playing in the 2008 Masters... which he finished second, BUT...
- Tiger would not play for another 2 months until the 2008 US Open... which he won.
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Stub.....
You misunderstood…..I wouldn’t put a dollar of my money on the scumbag, and I won’t waste my time watching him. I was just telling Chicago to put all his $$ on Tiger……I too hope he loses. I hope the weather is good during the Masters so I can play. I may DVR it and watch the replay so I can fast forward through all the crap.
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Stub.....One other thing...
I still trying to decide if I will put him on my fantasy team. I would almost rather finish last than have to cheer for him to win. We will see on that one.
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Scumbag?
I didn’t know that ethics and morals were required for sports dominance?
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam..........Huh????
Who said it was required??? And yes, he is a scumbag, which is short for Cheating, lying, Adulterer……you can come up with your own word.
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Regardless of your opinion on his morals...
The man can play golf better than any single person on the planet at this time. Of course, everyone enjoys a good villian as well (as it seems you have deemed him so), however completely discounting his sheer dominance of the sport for over a decade and wishing ill-will on the man because of what he does off the golf course is ridiculous.
Remember what happened with Alex Rodriguez after admitting to steroid use? I’ll remind you: hit hit a home run on the second pitch he saw after his return and all was forgiven. The same will happen with Tiger after his first win because people simply do not care about who he sleeps with… or at least fans of the game should not.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, aren't you special!
Based on what you said, I would have to think there is no one in any sport or maybe on the planet that you don’t like……good for you. I DON’T LIKE TIGER!…..I didn’t like him before we found out he was scum, because of how he acted on the golf course, and how he treated his fans. I would love it if he never won again……so there ya go!
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Aaaaannnnnd there it is...
… you didn’t like the man beforehand, so his actions off the course essentially mean nothing (following your logic) and therefore him “being scum” really doesn’t matter in the whole grand scheme of things.
So at least we’re back to square one.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No.........
His off the course actions have elevated him from being just an on course JERK, to being a total scumbag…..pretty simple. I’m not sure why my feelings for him matter to you…….go ahead and luuuuuvvvvvvv on him all ya want, makes no difference to me.
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I'm not sure why they should matter either...
… which is why I was wondering you brought them up in the first place. Thinking that someone is a jerk, scumbag, prince, or saint has no bearing whatsoever on his or her ability to succeed.
Just to be clear, I could give a hoot as to what Tiger does on his free time. He has proven to be an amazing spectacle in terms of mental toughness and physical talent, which is why I enjoy watching him. For the sake of comparison, I think Phil Mickelson is a complete oaf and arrogant pud, but that has no bearing on whether or not I think he is a good player.
It seems as though you have missed the point of my article for the sake of letting everyone know how much of a “scumbag” you think Tiger is.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed the Point?????
What point…..that you are a Tiger suck-up that can’t seem to enjoy the PGA (your other post) without Tiger. I never said he wasn’t a great golfer, but he sucks as a person. I would feel the exact same way if this had happened to Phil, who I have been a fan of for many years. So if you give me the choice of an “oaf or pud” who has class, or a mentally tough scumbag with no class…….well, you know the answer to that. I’m glad Tiger has your approval…..he needs a friend…..lol
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You make me laugh.
Call me what you will (I suppose I can expect nothing less), the point of the article was to show how an elite athlete has come back from similar lengths of being away from the game. Again, his character as a person has nothing to do with his success.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I question a supposed golf fan with so much resentment
toward another human being he would not watch the showcase event on TV.
But, this is America. You can certainly think and say what you want.
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Mar 17, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
"Supposed"....
I would rather play golf any day than watch it. I always watch the Masters, and have been there twice. The fact that I don’t care about watching Tiger’s every move for 4 days, should not disqualify me as a “golf fan”. You may want to watch him pick his nose, or go in and out of the porta-john or scream his foul language, but I’m not interested in 100% Tiger coverage. I hope he misses the cut…..then I will watch.
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Seriously em??
You won’t watch if Tiger is playing? Seems a bit extreme to me, it’s like the opposite of Macer…lol. You’re not the least bit curious as to how he’ll play? And I have to ask, do you watch golf to enjoy the game or to judge the personal lives of those playing? I get not pulling for him, or even pulling against him, but not watching at all, sorry I don’t get it.
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Charles A. Dana
Well OEG
It works both ways. I wonder how many Tiger Only “fringe fans” would watch the Masters if Tiger wasn’t in the field ? None would be my guess. How many golf fans have been watching all or most of the tournaments so far this year without Tiger in the field. Most if not all would be my guess. How many tournaments this year so far have had record breaking attendance by ticket paying attendee’s without tiger in the field ? All but one.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I was hoping...
when I saw the title of this thread that is was going to be an actual golf discussion, silly me. But here’s hoping we can get back on track. Seems a bit of a long shot that Tiger will win, I have to believe he will be rusty and at least a little bit uncomfortable given all that has taken place. I’m sure he’ll be as prepared as possible but even this die hard fan does not have high hopes for a win, this time. With that said, you just never know with Tiger; he has done if before and it sure wouldn’t surprise me a great deal. I never bet against him. He WILL be on my fantasy team and I’ll be pulling for him. Mostly though, I’m just glad he’s back and look forward to seeing him swing the club again. It’ll be a good day for golf and his many fans. I also suspect it will be a good day for Tiger and his family and another step in the healing process. Welcome back Tiger, we miss you!
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Amen TigerHead...
…and while some other readers believe me to be a “Tiger suck up”, it is nice to hear from another fan who is looking forward to seeing what could be another notch in the legacy of this great talent. Thanks for getting the thread back on track, and thanks for reading!
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 17, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Adam
Yes, it’s always been a little interesting to me how those of us who are fans of one of the greatest players to ever swing a club are “suck ups” and not “real golf fans”. It never seems to occur to some that we just appreciate his excellent play and the tremendous historical significance of what he’s done in the game. It’s always seemed to me that goes hand in hand with being a fan of the game and it’s rich history.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead.......When have I ever
accused you of being a suck-up……Never! Now Mr. Duffer-man admitted to being a Tiger suck-up with his post a few days ago. The post “I have been dishonest with Myself” was written on the premise that he thought he could somehow enjoy golf without Tiger, but alas he couldn’t……pretty much a suck-up if you ask me. I, on the other hand, have enjoyed golf immensely without the scumbag. And no, I won’t watch the Masters being turned into a freakin media circus because Tiger has chosen to return. You watch it and enjoy it…..if it rains I’ll watch the Superbowl again. As for the “tremendous historical significance” you mentioned, are you sure you didn’t mean “hysterical” significance, because that’s what he is……a joke. Everyday there’s a new Tiger joke, or Leno/Letterman are bustin him…..what a disgrace.
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You're of course entitled to your opinion Em..
but 14 majors and 71 wins is VERY historically significant. Like him or hate him, that’s an indisputable fact. We’re fans of Tiger because of those facts. I do understand why you have an issue with his personal life and why you detest him. And I’m perfectly fine with that. Yes, you have never called me a suck up, but 3irons and others have, so I do carry that label. Please know I don’t mean to in any way disrespect you. I like you Em, always have. I was sincerly just curious if you were serious about not watching? I’ve watched the Masters every year since I was a young child and look forward to it every year; I can’t imagine not watching it because I didn’t like or approve of a players personal life.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead.......
Look, for years we have been force fed Tiger……to the exclusion of the rest of the tour. We have been sold a bill of goods that told us how wonderful and clean this guy is. The ultimate family man and role model. Most have overlooked his on course tantrums because he is so wonderful and well, you know that club throwing aint so bad. Now we find out he is morally bankrupt, and not just a little, but way over the top……and you can’t imagine why I don’t want to watch him!! Coming back at the Masters is just another example of his selfish and controlling personality, plus he’s a coward. How dare he bring his circus to Augusta when he could have played this week and next week and got all the “stuff” out of the way, and then gone to Augusta in a more normal fashion. But, the Masters gives him protection and to hell with the traditions and quiet reverence of Augusta….it’s still all about him…..he hasn’t changed a bit.
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So much to debate...
Look, for years we have been force fed Tiger……to the exclusion of the rest of the tour.
Those would be the years he won 14 majors and 71 PGA Tour events?
I watched most of the final round of the Honda this year. Every shot that Villegas hit was covered. Coincidentally, he was leading the tournament. I would argue that Tiger has lead more tournaments than any other PGA Tour member, thus earning the ‘force fed’ status you disdain.
We have been sold a bill of goods that told us how wonderful and clean this guy is. The ultimate family man and role model.
I assume you mean his endorsements. Thinking about the commercials I’ve seen for Tiger; they never mention how good of a family man he is. His late father got more mentions in his commercials than any other member of his family. The only time I can remember Tiger’s children being mentioned in a commercial was the one when Nike delivered a baby set of clubs when his first was born. Phil Mickelson and Zach Randolph come to mind as golfers who used their families in their respective commercials.
As for the Woods family being shown on television as Tiger comes down 18 with a 3 shot lead, every golfer with family at an event gets that. I saw a bunch of Kenny Perry’s family during the last Ryder Cup and during the ‘09 Masters.
How dare he bring his circus to Augusta when he could have played this week and next week and got all the "stuff" out of the way, and then gone to Augusta in a more normal fashion.
You’ve already made clear you don’t want to see him. I have a feeling if he was playing at Bay Hill you would have similar complaints.
More importantly, the Masters, for all it’s azaleas and white bibs for caddies and pimento cheese sandwiches, is a golf tournament. A really important golf tournament on a really, really fine golf course, but still a golf tournament. Tiger Woods is a golfer. Golfers play in golf tournaments. Really good golfers (like Tiger) play in the really good tournaments. When you say ‘how dare he bring his circus to Augusta’ you give Augusta a reverence that, while the folks in the green jackets appreciate and cultivate, it doesn’t deserve.
But, the Masters gives him protection
Then wouldn’t your complaint be with Augusta? Shouldn’t Augusta have told Tiger he wouldn’t get the protection he expects since he brought all this scorn on himself?
and to hell with the traditions and quiet reverence of Augusta….it’s still all about him
Who should Tiger Woods look out for, Lee Westwood? Every professional golfer looks out for his or her own best interests. Tiger’s bad acting hasn’t disqualified him from doing so. And his presence just doesn’t benefit him; the gentlemen in the green jackets I bet are thrilled the four time champion is joining them for their tournament.
twonuse.....
Nice analysis…..Pretty amazing that you could have gotten all 5 of the points wrong.
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I thought I did a good job...
on the force fed Tiger point. Can I at least get that one?
By the way, I am aware the 2007 Masters champion does not play power forward for the Memphis Grizzlies. My apologies to Zach Johnson.
Sorry.....but no.
Actually the force fed is “ground zero” for me in this discussion. TGC and tournament coverage is what I am referring to, not endorsements, which I happen to think are fine. As for the “reverence of Augusta” comment, see the newest post by Ryan quoting Stricker, saying pretty much the same thing. So, you were 0 for 5, which would get you 30million a year in MLB….lol
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I never heard anyone call Tiger Woods a great family man...
during tourney coverage. Yes, they had a mouthful of Tiger, but they were stroking his game, not if he takes out the garbage when he is home.
Two.....did you
not see the interview he did in Australia late last fall. He was asked if family came first and he said “family always comes first” and the reporter said “always” and Tiger reiterated forcefully…..“always”. It was almost like the reported knew what was coming. You might be able to find it on you tube…..I may not have the quotes exactly right.
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I did see that...
IIRC, Tiger was asked about family. He then lied. That is on Tiger, not the interviewer.
Twonuse
I must say you did do of a good job explaining your view of things. I have a comment or two if nobody minds.
My issue has never been with TW or any player for that matter as doing so would be diplomatic and financial suicide for me. My problem has always been with the media and all of their over sensationalizing of TW constantly shoving him down our collective throats, especially the droolers over at The Golf Channel.
You are correct with your Villegas comment regarding them showing his every shot last week and justifiably so. That should be the case for any player leading the tournament, TW included. The issue I have is that when TW is 10 shots back on Sat. or Sunday they STILL show every shot of his and that takes time away from showing others in the chase that deserve TV Face Time. Am I wrong about this ?
TW is an awesome player on tour and deserves a lot of the accolades and coverage that he gets, however to much of anything is usualy a bad thing.
I spent 11 years in the boxing ring and fought during the later part of the 70’s and early 80’s. I was not a big fan of Ali during that time as he proclaimed himself, “The greatest fighter of all time” during a Cosell interview and it stuck. I always felt Larry Holmes was a much better fighter , but it was a tough sell to the public as Ali was promoted constantly and the others in that time frame received very little attention because of it. It’s called marketing 101 Is it fair to any sport ? I think not. Thats what we have today with TW in my opinion. Not his fault at all, its the media. jumpn/progolf
Just imagine trying to watch Ali / Frazier and all during the fight they showed Ali’s punches 70 % of the time and only showed Frazier’s 30 percent. Well thats what we have with TW
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I agree with what you said about Tiger 10 shots back Pro..
But Holmes better than Ali ? C’mon. Ali fought every contender there was over almost 20 years. I’m not counting the Holmes fight, Ali was an old man by then. Holmes had inferior opposition compared to Ali. Ali was the only fighter who beat everyone in his era. I watched all 3 Ali-Frazier fights many times and the truth is Ali landed 70% of all the punches…Frazier would take 3 or 4 just to land a left hook. To some, Ali’s bragging put some off him, but it was only to sell tickets in the end. But I’m not a boxer and I respect your opinion, as always .
thanks easing
I only used Holmes as an example. He was one of my favorite fighters of the era and I did tend to be a little tilted toward him as over the years he and I became good friends. We still are today. One could argue Marciano was the greatest without a loss, but then again he only had 49 fights compaired to most that had over 75 at that time. “In my opinion” the greatest ever in all weight classes was Joe Louis, with Sugar Ray Robinson coming in at a close second. If you go waaaaay back one could argue John L Sullivan was the greatest with 168 fights and only one loss and that came at age 53 or so after he was begged to come out of retirement to fight Gentleman Jim Corbett.. I respect your opinions as always as well. CHEERS.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Oh, those bare knuckle fights had to hurt.
Holmes in my opinion was not given credit for his career he deserved…he was after Ali and before Tyson. My biggest hate about boxing is there can be so many champions at the same wieghts.
I get it em
and can see anger in your words. You know where I’m coming from and hopefully you understand. I just disagree with you, and we should probably leave it at that. No hard feelings.
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Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead.......
You can somehow separate the person from the golfer, which is what I have trouble understanding. Lets take this to an extreme……if Hitler were the best golfer in the world, would you still take the same stand……what he does running his country, has nothing to do with golf???? Come on…..no one could cheer for Hitler because of the person, no matter how good he is. For me it’s the same with Tiger…..this was not a one night stand mistake, but an orchestrated series of events that took place over and over with many different women. Where do you draw the line…..15….20….40….how many women, before the “person” and the golfer become the same and you quit separating them? Tiger is a person who plays golf…..
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Sorry to say em...
…but if you held every single successful athlete to the standards you are proposing, you would have a very short list of athletes you actually like. And did you just compare Tiger Woods to Hitler? Wow.
Let me as you this: who do you think the best basketball player of all time was? Michael Jordan? Cheated all the time. Kareem? Same thing. Wilt Chamberland? Don’t get me started.
How about baseball? Name me one person on the list of “greatest ever” discussions that was a complete saint.
I’m not trying to excuse Tiger’s behavior, but I’m also not choosing to define him by it. What I will choose to do, even if it means “sucking up”, is to celebrate the absolute dominance he has showcased on Tour while I still can. If I had one regret in my sports fandom life was the fact that I was still pretty young to truly appreciate Jordan’s talent as it was happening. I refuse to do the same with Tiger.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Duffer....
NO I didn’t compare Tiger to Hitler……as I said the Hitler comment was an “extreme” example used to express to Tigerhead my inability to separate the person from the golfer……so don’t crawl up on the PC rock make something out of nothing.
Your comment is stupid at best and moronic at worst. I have never said Tiger is not the best golfer. I’m not sure why you can’t understand that. Baseball, Basketball, Football and the board of directors of you favorite Fortune 500 company is full of great players who are morally bankrupt as people. I don’t cheer for those people either. You ARE excusing Tiger’s behavior by ignoring the person for your need to idolize his incredible golfing skills. I just choose to hold those who receive my respect to a much higher standard than you do. I suppose your business hero is Bernie Madoff….no one can argue that he was the best scam artist in the world…….what a guy!
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At least you have resorted to name-calling.
Not that I feel it necessary to defend my position on Tiger to a brick wall, but the entire premise of “holier than thou” can take a back seat when it comes to discussing a truly gifted athlete and his or her success.
The only thing I can’t understand, Em, is why you continue to base your desire to watch a golf tournament on the morality of one participant? Do you really see your world through rose-colored glasses? Take a guess as to how many other golf professionals who will be playing that week have done things much worse than cheating on his wife. Have you ever forgiven a single person in your life, or are grudges and past mistakes the way you choose to define others? I was not aware that you lived in a glass house.
As far as respect goes, I respect the man for his ability at a game that I love to watch. Along the same lines, though, I also stand by my opinion that the PGA Tour is more interesting to me (and only me) when Tiger is playing. That does not make me or anyone else who might hold that opinion any less of a golf fan, nor does it make you more of a golf fan because you prefer to watch the “good guys” play.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
CD
How long have you had this “butt-kissin’” addiction to El Dick ! You say other golfers have done much worse…..name them ! The problem you have is the same as Tigerhead. Your “love affair” with Woods talent allows you to ignore the fact that players of Woods low moral fibre are a detriment to our sport. We all know his character now, but some fans don’t care. They’d cheer for Jack “The Ripper” if he could win 71 events and 14 Majors. That sends the wrong signal as to what athletics is supposed to be about. Sports should build character and turn out solid ctizens. Woods is a failure as a man and I suspect a failure as an honest athlete. If he thought he could get away with 14 affairs there is no telling what he felt he could get away with in pro golf. There are many unanswered questions about Woods drug use, and information has been supressed by Woods and his people. Somewhere Doug Baron is surely shaking his head ………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Sports should build character and turn out solid citizens?
Wasn’t that politics’ job? How’d that work out?
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
CD
Politics turns out solid citizens ! Where’d you go to school,…Berkeley ? Maybe you should revist the recent olympics to see the quality of people that “athletics” turns out. Tiger turned out to be a lying, cheantin’, entitled punk,…. got caught and is now squirming and trying to manipulate his way back to respectability. That’s a huge mountain for him to climb. We cannot give scum bag athletes a free pass because of their ability. Other spoorts have done this in the past, most notably the NBA and the NFL. How’d that work out for them ? They have players being charged every other week for something. These guys have the same sense of “entitlement” just like Tiger. We don’t want or need any “Ben Rotten-burgers” on the Tour. Give Tiger a pass, and you’re condoning his behavior to every guy on Tour. Not exactly what we’re looking for, is it ? Questions about Woods’ habits demand answers.
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3irons......lol
“Politics’ job”……..that’s my nomination for “Dumbest Statement of the Day”. I just sit here and shake my head and laugh. Oh, by the way, don’t set your standards high than the Duffer’s or you will be called “holier than thou”……..what a doofus.
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Again, reading little bits here and there.
Can you even make a single post without an insult? Is that even possible for you?
By the way Em, if you don’t mind me asking, are you male or female?
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you know...... I can't think of anything
I could say that you would be able to comprehend. As for insults….they seem to be the only thing you do understand and by the way, most of your comments are insulting to me.
I am a 55 year old male with a 3 hdcp. I have 2 kids and 4 grandkids and a beautiful wife that I’ve never cheated on. If there’s not anything else you want to know, I’ll leave now and go try to reduce that hdcp.
Good Luck.
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wow em 55?
And I thought I was second oldest to STUB at 52. lol Well your hdcp. is half of mine. I never knew you were a 3 hdcp. ^ 5’s to ya.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Whatever you say champ.
Thanks for reading!
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
3irons.....one more thing....
the duffer is from Chicago……you know, the home of Politics with high ethical standards…..lol
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Who is getting a free pass?
Hopw would you have preferred Tiger to come back to the Tour? Or, would you have preferred to have him banned for life because of something he did on his own time?
You and Em seem to offer a lot of critique and not a lot of alternative options.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
CD,.....never have I suggested that TW be banned.
He is great player . However, he also suffers from an overdose of “entitlement” in that he feels he’s above the rules of society and perhaps even the game. I have stated previously that there should be a compete investigation into Woods and his people to answer many puzzling questions that surround him. I am not interested with who he’s screwing nor any details. That is his private matter. But anything related to the game and it’s integrity should be open for inspection. To date Woods and co. have stonewalled against that. That makes me suspicious of his motives. His attitude was I can get away with anything. We know that. The question is what else was he getting away with ? People hide stuff for a reason, and Woods is clearly covering his tracks and is getting all kinds of help. imo.I……………………..Z.
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By 'related to the game and it's integrity'...
do you mean performance enhancing drugs?
I’m a cynic, so believe almost every athlete is on some sort of PEDs, including Tiger. I also believe it is not in the PGA Tour’s best interest to pick up that rock becasue a Tiger isn’t the only thing they would find under there. Like for example a certain fomer #1 ranked golfer in the world who peaked in his 40s.
If you mean an addiction to perscription drugs (which I still believe Tiger has/had), I would argue that information shouldn’t be public knowledge unless Tiger wants to tell the world or is charged with a crime.
2NUSE
If golf needs to be cleaned up, then the people in charge need to get it done. If Tiger is dirty and others, so be it. The game used to stand for something. Lets not let it start sliding down the slippery slope as they did in MLBB,NBA and the NFL. The PGA Tour and the USGA need to be good stewards of the game. Keep it clean and above board. Gary Player was laughed at when he said drugs were on Tour, but I wasn’t laughing at him. I saw plenty of PED’s back in the 90"s on the mini tours and many of those guys moved on the the Tour. Their PED habit went with them. Now it’s a whole lot better, but the Tour is still not consistent enough in my view. Guys like Baron get sacrificed and others do not warrant a second glance. If PED’S are out there, then deal with it. Rec. drugs too. That’s what “integrity” mean s to me. And yes,….I dabbled in PED’s for 2 yrs, but I was sooooo bad nothing was gonna help my game. LOL Golf isn’t just a game to me, it’s my livlihood and I get pissed when people embarass the game. I’m in the minority here, I know, but it is what it is.
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I'm sorry,
but did you just claim to have used PED’s while playing professional golf?
Play it as it lies
c&p
Yes sir, I dabbled during 93 & 94 season. Not illegal in those days. I didn’t like the side effects much, and performance gains to my game were minimal. They work very well on some, and several went on to play the Tour. Today ???,…I’m thinking PED’s are still around because I hear there are ways to mask their presence. Remember, it was only this year that they discovered a verifiable test for HGH. I can’t imagine playin’ under the stress of getting caught using today. It’s cheatin, but rumors still abound…………………….Z.
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Apart from accelerating the healing of an injury, what possible benefit could someone on Tour gain from PED’s? From what you and others have said, it negatives outweigh any possible benefits – in golf anyway.
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HGH and testosterone
enable a player to put in a more rigorous practice routine, and have the body recover faster. That is the sole benefit of these 2 PED’s.As Hogan said, you gotta dig your game outa the dirt. HGH/Test. allow you to put in the hours (energy) to practice, and to do so more often. Beta blockers increase your ability to focus and stay calm, an advantage when putting. There’s a reason the PGA Tour bans these drugs. Some, however,like Doug Baron, had verifiable medical reasons for using Testoserone and beta blockers. He applied to the Tour for a TUE, but was denied. You shouldn’t suspend anybody that has a verifiable need for presciption medication. The Tour screwed over Baron to impress the IOC. imo…………………..Z.
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Following that rational, VJ better watch his arse.Nick Price says that beta blockers slowed everything down and hurt, not helped.
While I feel sorry for Doug Baron, he knew what he was doing and he consequences of being caught. I still don’t understand the PGA’s reason for denying him his exemption for the testosterone. They need to clarify why they wouldn’t grant it, or these allegations are going to keep on keeping on.
As far as Tiger is concerned, I stand by my original statement, he’s been tested twice and passed twice.
Play it as it lies
c&p
There are a lot of guys who better watch their arse. It can take up to 18 months for residue from some PED’s to be eliminated from the body. Baron had no choice in his medications. He’d been on them for years prior to the Tour adopting WADA criteria. What’s the guy supposed to do ? Endure physical discomfort because his meds have been now been prohibited ? He shoulda tried a masking agent in afterthought. That probably would have worked for a while. But that’s not Doug Baron. He plays by the rules, and asked for a TUE. The Tour’s denial to issue smacks of grandstanding to the IOC. You can bet if Tiger tested positive, nobody would ever know. The Tour has to protect him. That’s whay the FSP were told they had no case by the DA’s office. Ponte Vedre called in a favor. If anybody else had hit a fire hydrant, yoiu can bet your last dollar there’d have been a full investigtion. Woods was very lucky. imo…………………Z.
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Where there is a lot of money to be made
you can be sure there will be some who would use Peds. Gary Player is no nutter…being non American he does not have to dance to Finchams tune and says it like it is..so for that reason alone, I believed him.
CD
I’d have preferred he be interviewed by someone he trusts, away from the Tour, and just open up and answer questions. Get it out in the open, and then come back and play. I just have the feeling there is a lot more that he’s hiding…….Z.
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Duffer......I'll try this one more time.
First….I am not going to watch the Masters because Tiger’s return will make it an idiotic circus. I have already said that had he returned earlier, then the Masters may have been somewhat normal…..had that happened I would have watched. What is so hard about that to understand?
Second…..I have also admitted to you more than once that I am aware that others have moral failures…..and I said I choose not to support or cheer for those players, no matter what sport it is. Can you understand that????
Third…..A great deal of my frustration is with the “unequal” coverage of any tournament that Tiger is in. I am tired of watching him eat an apple, scream obscenities, pick his nose and throw his clubs, etc…….Just show me his great shots and all the other players’ great shots…… Understand???
Fourth…….I know your position, so no need for you to defend it and your “holier than thou” comment…….Where does that come from??? I choose to hold those I cheer for to a high standard….if that’s holier than thou…..then live with it.
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My turn...
First: Your protest won’t matter, it will just mean you miss out on good golf.
Second: Your list must be very, very short. And you probably don’t own a TV.
Third: The “unequal coverage” opinion is completely wrong.
Fourth: “Where does that come from??? I choose to hold those I cheer for to a high standard”. Question answered.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Also amazing...
You sure have a lot to say for being a guy with only one article post.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my.....that really hurts......you're such a meanie.
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Hey Duffer....
You should be thanking me…..you finally have an article with more than 2 comments. Go figure.
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Did one of your kids grab the keyboard?
If so, maybe they can devise an arguement worth a darn.
Adam Fonseca
by Adam Fonseca on Mar 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Easy.....
Are you getting to play?? We are “greening” up here now and the ground is drying out and all is well with the world. Hope you are hitting it well.
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Thanks mate,
Yes, I’m playing 2, 3 times a week now. In 2 weeks I’m playing Royal St Georges and I owe 3 irons a pint for recomending those Burner ’09 irons. I love em. I might get to single figures yet . Hope you are going good too, cheers !
EZ,...."it's not the arrow, but the indian" lol
Now all you PC junkies take a" chill pill". I’m half Navajo so nobody is offended around here, lol. EZ,..Glad they are workin’ out for ya. Maybe we can hook up for a game before The Open and we’ll get ya down to single digit. There’s usually not much difference from a 5 or a 12 .Just a little fine tuning from an “extra” pair of eyes watching. If we get you to break 80, the drinks are on you amigo,….JD’s on the rocks, and keep’m coming, LOL.
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I know what you mean 3's
but my old arrows had some flights missing ! The best thing about these new arrows is I’m not trying to overhit the shot, I’m giving myself time…really enjoying them, thanks. I’d love to see Seve’s goodbye if I can get up to the Open this year, so you can have JD on the rocks no problem…but what do you think about the single malts up there ? If I can make it, I’ll meet you in the Jigger inn on the 17th..cheers.
OK em66
you’re 100% correct I would not pull for Hitler..lol. But I think your example is a bit unreasonable. I will continue to admire him as a golfer in the same way I admire Jack, Hogan, Palmer, Watson, Mickelson and the rest of the greats of this game. I don’t watch golf to admire how a player lives his life off the course and frankly I find that to be none of my business. Truth be told, I (and 99% of all fans) really have no idea how any of these players live / lived off the course, we only know what they do on camera. They’re not related to me, they’re not my friends, nor are they my role models, just people who can play golf better than most. They’re all part of the human population and I suspect a certain percentage of professional golfers past and present, cheat on their wives, have addiction problems, gambling problems, depression, or other personal issues, just exactly like the rest of the human population. Again though, none of my business; I guess we disagree there, and that’s OK with me. With that said it seems to me that he’s taking action to get his family and life back together. He has a long way to go, and it will not happen quickly. He has to start somewhere and part of that healing will be for him to start playing golf again. He said it in front of the world, that he’s committed to becoming a better man and husband, that he realizes he needs to change his attitude and behavior on the course, that he apologizes to those he hurt. These are all baby steps on the way to recovery, it will take a long time and a very committed effort on his part. Time will tell if he can do it, but in the mean time why don’t we give him a chance to try? He can’t go back, he can only move forward and it seems to me he is indeed trying. Please answer this, if Elin (the person hurt most by this) can find a way to give him another chance, why can’t you? Elin knows him far better than any of us and she must see some good in him if she’s willing to give it a try. If he was the evil monster you’re making him out to be, wouldn’t she most likely grab the kids and high tail it out of there with half his money?? I, along with millions of fans around the world wish him and his family well. Look, of course I don’t expect to change your mind em66, I can see you’re full of anger and resentment over this and I know many share your view. But this is where I’m coming from and I think it’s very reasonable. Sorry to be long winded and hope you can appreciate my view.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead......
There’s nothing I can add to what I’ve already said. I am disappointed that you don’t understand my position on this. As for the Doofus Duffer, he’s an admitted suck-up and there is no hope for him. As for anger and resentment, I’m not sure that is accurate, but it doesn’t matter. I won’t be watching my favorite tournament, not because of Tiger, but because of the circus it will create…..he knew this would happen, and in his selfish, self-centered way chose to do it anyway…..read the Stricker Post.
I’m done.
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Em66
I do understand your position, I just disagree. Food for thought.. there’s always at least two ways to look at something and many times more than one valid way to look at it. One last point, wherever he comes back it would have been a circus. At least this way it can be somewhat controlled and much less disruptive to the tournament than it would have been at a regular stop. From that standpoint it’s not selfish at all. I would argue that it is actually rather unselfish because not playing a tune up event will in my opinion be costly to his chances. Had he played Bay Hill, it would have essentially ruined the event. Either way and no matter where or how he did it, some would criticize it; for some he can do no right.
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Charles A. Dana
EM66
You’re wasting your breath on T-POT. He’s in love……………………………….Z.
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Actually
em is not wasting his breath. We just have a disagreement which is OK. And believe it or not 3i’s, people can do that without insulting each other and still give respect. Perhaps you should give that a try.
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Charles A. Dana
t-pot
yaaaawn ! You can’t separate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the cheater, the liar and the druggie. That’s pretty damn sad dude. Pathetic actually. Michael Jackson was the King of Pop, but would you have allowed your child a sleepover ? I’m sure all the pedophile comments were made by haters and MJ was really a nice guy. Sound familiar.? You have given Woods a pass due his athletic ability and thus by condone his behavior.You don’t want to know the facts because there is a chance they will disappoint you.That’s a common theme in America, and it is absolutely wrong. It sends the wrong message to our kids. You know,…do whatever you want junior, just make sure you’re the top guy at tiddly-winks and no one will hold you accountable.Well, I want to see Woods held accountable and you don’t. That’s not a difference of opinion, it’s a difference in moral responsibility. You’d rather turn a blind eye to it all. That’s your right…………………Z
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3irons......
I saw a poll this morning (not on a golf site) that asked "Will you watch Tiger Woods’ return to the PGA tour. The results were shocking. With 47+ thousand votes the breakdown was as follows:
Yes, I’ll watch every minute of it……26%
Sort of- I’ll watch here and there, check out the highlights……….16%
Maybe — I’ll only tune in to see his wife or one of his mistresses……….3%
NO THANKS, I’D RATHER WATCH THE NEWS………..55%
So much for everyone in the world tuning in to the second third fourth coming of the Tiger.
Go Figure!
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I must admit 3irons
Your point about a sleepover at MJ’s house is most valid and hard to argue with. “WELL SAID”
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
JJ
Are you serous?? Do you not see a difference between a pedophile and someone who cheats on his wife with consenting adults? Please give me a break!!! That’s well said???? It’s absurd.
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Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead
MJ was only accused of being a Pedophile and was found innocent. Do you believe he was innocent ? If so would you have let your kids have a sleep over at Neverland Ranch ? I believe that was the point 3irons was trying to make. Sometimes the written word in this type of forum is taken the wrong way. Hell it happens to me all the time with e mails. LOL
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
No
of course I wouldn’t let my child sleep over at Neverland Ranch. But for a much different reasons than I would or wouldn’t watch Tiger Woods play golf. The comparison is WAY over the top and not relevant to this discussion, in my opinion.
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Charles A. Dana
What is your definition...
of Tiger being held accoutable? And what exactly should he be held accountable for?
Let's see
Tiger’s now a pedophile. What’s next, Bin Laden? And now I’m morally corrupt??? 3irons, listen closely, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ____ YOUR TALKING ABOUT when it comes to my character and what kind of person I am. Your comment is extremely insulting and has crossed the line with me!! I’ll not stoop to your level and return the lowly insults, but I’m done engaging with you. Not worth my time.
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Charles A. Dana
That's enough 3IRONS...
… you and em66 need to take it down a notch.
Adam Fonseca
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CD,.....I'm just getting warmed up !!!!........
but in the interest of “esprit de corps” I’ll give it a shot………………..Z
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EM66
Interesting poll. I’ll watch because I’ve got a couple of local pals playin’. But I’ll be on a JD break if all we see is El Dick choppin’ away 10 strokes back of the leaders. I doubt Woods will get a chance to wear RED at this years Masters……………z
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t-pot
I never said TW was a pedophile. You know exactly what I was comparing. So spare me your indignation. You have a blind bias for Tiger,…good for you. TW is morally corrupt and somehow you think that is ok and still support him. Pitiful, but obviously in America ,this is your right. I would have predicted that you’d have higher standards , but so be it………………Z.
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And
you have a blind bias against him…. good for you.
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Charles A. Dana
t-pot
No dude,…I have a “professional bias” against him, due the turmoil he alone has inflicted on our game. There is nothing blind about it. My eyes can clearly see who and what he is, and what he has done. My eyes will also witness the supposed changes he has spoken of. I will recognize those changes, if/when they become visible. Therein lies the difference between you and me. I don’t believe in gray areas. Something is either right, or it is not and nobody gets a free pass because of who they are. That’s called entitlement. Guess I can thank my old man for that……….Z.
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3 irons you had your problem
long before this turmoil. you were jealous of the guy and his talent long before the scandal. Do you remember what you said about him never coming back from knee surgery. You looked kind of stupid when he won six times in the first year back. Let’s see, 8 months out…….six wins, to which you said, they weren’t the big events……….Ask any of the pros, hiding with you behind the scenes if they’d take six wins in any year on any tour, and they’d say heck yes, yet you still posted that nonsense. Ask Phil if he’d take six wins any year. Ask Monty if he’d take 1 win on the PGA Tour. Ask Sergio if he’d take 1 win this year. The same with Furyk, Mcilroy, Vijay, and many more. If Woods is a BMW 530 ix, as you 3 irons claimed (idiotic) then what does that makes these guys? What does it make U?
Tell you what, next time the (Pros) are hiding behind the scenes backstabbing their meal ticket, tell ’em to man up and say it in public, or to his face……………….. Thought so.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 20, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
F&G's,i've never been envious of the phony jerk. That's your thing.
So how about I say it to YOUR face, a$$-hole ! FYI,…you Woods butt-kissers always bring up his Major’s record, so how many has he won since the ACL ? That’s right fool…ZERO, SQUAT, NONE,NADA ! 6 low key(low world ranking points) wins by Woods, does not put him back to where he was pre ACL. How many WGC wins since the ACL ? Only 1 ! So how do you explain him being 1-10 in the big events last year ? That’s right fool, you can’t because you’re a freakin fringe fan with no knowledge of swing mechanics. Cheer him on all you like, that your right. But save your bigoted, racial rants for an appropriate forum. This one, isn’t it. Now, STFU and take a chill pill……………….Z.
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How many majors has he played since ACL?
You’re losing my man. Since the World’s #1 returned from knee surgery he has won more tournaments thany anybody. Knowledge of swing mechanics…..1 of 10 in big events……What? That’s not so bad coming off a surgery, which you deemed catastrophic. 6 wins. in the year. the POY. Scoring championship, Money title, Fedex cup. Man you should be lambasting those “pros” you have all these closet conversations with. Put that drink down, get a glass of water, and U take that chill pill. Son.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 20, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
6wins !............."Ain't sooooo BAD !"
For anybody “NOT” named Tiger Woods. Majors are how he measures himself, and after his ACL it’s 0-4 ! He won a WGC event, BUT tanked in every other big event. His other 5 wins were in fields that garnered the lowest possible World Ranking points. Buick and AT&T were a joke, with very poor fields. Tiger’s mechanics under Major pressure failed him last year and they will continue to fail him. He’s lost soooo much body speed through the ball because his knee cannot accept the load anymore. So now he’s trying to blend arm and body rotation. It’s not working and that is why he can’t hit the ocean from the end of the pier with a driver ! He rarely hits driver anymore as a result. You and the suck-ups don’t see any of this, and why should you ? It’s not what you’re trained to do.FYI,… The golf ball never lies, and it is clearly saying that Woods is a different player post ACL. Just as I said he would be. Now he has personal issues. One more strike,….. and he’s “OUT” . He’ll become a part time player as Hogan was towards the end of his career. IMO In fact, it’s already happening. You suck-ups live in a state of denial & that’s ok, with me. It’s still a free country………………………….Z.
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Tiger also
won a playoff event with a very strong field. In a runaway I might add. And it was not his swing mechanics that held him back, (if you can call a very successful season that) it was a sluggish putter. If we’re at a point where we’re gonna criticize a 6 win season from ANYBODY, especially coming off surgery and an 8 month layoff, then I think we’ve gone a bit overboard. But hey, at least we’re talking about his golf.. thankfully.
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t-pot
Refresh my memory and I’ll quote that events ranking points. I’ve done this before and only the WGC Bridgstone win was against a first quartile field.
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Deutsche Bank
and a Sunday 63 to run away with it.
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Charles A. Dana
Ran away with what ????
Woods shot 63 to move from 30th to T11. Stricker won the Deutch Bank at -17 and beat Woods by 5 shots ! Not sure what, exactly, TW ran away with unless it was clinching the Fed Ex Cup . You must have this confused with another event,…yes ?………………………..Z.
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Brain fart
I believe it was the BMW, winning by 8.
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Charles A. Dana
Ahhh yes, the BMW.
TW shot 62 in the 3rd round(best of the year). This was a playoff event with a limited field, and only had 70 players, so not exactly a strong event. The Mercedes Benz Championship was the same weekend, (not that it mattered) but was a full feild event and was allocated more ranking points.
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70 top players
and very similar field to a WGC which are also limited. Give credit where it’s due 3i’s. Tiger had a great year coming back from surgery; unprecedented really. A more interesting question is how will he do this year…..
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Charles A. Dana
T-POT
The BMW was not a similar field to a WGC event. Not even close ! WGC events are awarded 74 OWGR points. The BMW was 58. The Majors get 100,WGC’s get 74 ,The Players 80 and Tour Champs get 70. So the top events are the Majors, WGCs,The Players and The Tour Champs. Woods was 1-10 in these events and that is a career worst…………………..Z.
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Better check that 3irons
It’s not a career worst. Check 1998, only one win The Bell South Classic I believe. Also only one win in 2004 I believe, the Match Play, but overall a much worse year.
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T-POT
I stand corrected. 2009 would tie his 2nd worst year along with 2004. But you get the quality of field equation. That was my point in assessing Woods 2009 year. Those 10 events define a players year , imo. Not everybody agrees, but that’s how I’ve always viewed it. Winning in Puerto Rico gets 24 points, while PHX Open gets 58 points. It’s pretty simple to discover what events are top rated versus those that are poor…………..Z.
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2009
is not his best year, but it’s far from his worst, and was a few holed putts from being a remarkable year. Problem is you have some pretty darn great years to compare Tiger to, 2000, 2007, 1999 etc. Nobody is disputing quality of field but simply look at how rare a 6 win season is. It’s a pretty short list of players who’ve done it in history. Actually this is a ridiculous debate, enjoy what you’re seeing. He’s probably only got 5 or 6 good years left and he’ll retire, or at least semi retire. A player like Tiger is a VERY rare thing in golf and who knows how long it will be before another comes along. You don’t have to like him or pull for him but all golf fans should appreciate his golf and the historical context of what he’s done in the game.
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Charles A. Dana
t-pot
Ahhh-ha ! You finally get it ! You do indeed have some pretty damn great years to compare to. In 2009 he did not approach those years and I will always maintain it is because of his ACL and a less effective golf swing. His proximity to the hole was a way off, and thus put pressure on his putting. I do not see that getting a whole lot better (proximity) because his mechanics are just not as good as they were. He’ll get another major or two, but I can envision him becoming a part time player as Hogan did . Maybe he only plays 10 events a year, and spends more time a home. You could be right,…5 more years and he’s likely gone. He’s always said he wouldn’t play if he couldn’t be Tiger Woods. Well, he started slowing down last year and this should have been his bounce back year. Now the personal issues have knocked him off track again……………………..Z.
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Tiger
will start a decline at some point anyway, knee problem or not. And decline or not he’s still by far the best player out there, and one of the best EVER. So he’ll still win plenty and still most likely break every significant record out there. Does it really matter if he’s as good now as he was in 2000? He’s still very, very good and that’s simply not debatable; and I’ll still say a 6 win season is a GREAT year regardless of who does it. Actually if what you’re saying is true, then TW winning 6 times is an incredible accomplishment considering this supposed decline in ability. Think about that, he’s still dominating the tour while only being at 75%, incredible is what it is. Moving on.
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Charles A. Dana
t-pot
Agreed,… 6 wins is a great year,…..for anybody NOT named Tiger Woods. When he plays his A game he should still win. But anything less, as witnessed last year, and the Heath Slocums or Y.E.Yangs can and will beat him. He used to win with his B game. Not anymore. His knee is the reason for the swing changes, and the new swing is not as consistent. He fights it. Hogan was never the same after his crash. His swing was much different . As a result he played less, and focused on the Majors. I believe Tiger will do the same. He’s not Tiger Woods anymore. This is version II…………………….Z.
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6 wins
Is a great year for anyone…….Including Tiger Woods. The Fedex Cup, Money Title, Vardon, POY is a good year for anybody, Especially coming off Knee Surgery, and Surgery to repair leg fractures. Being able to walk a golf course 8 months after such surgery is a feat in itself. To say it was a bad year is insane. Especially when the person saying it was a bad year didn’t think he’d have anywhere near the year he had. What’s with all the double talk? Take your advice for the patrons at the Masters……..The quiet treatment. You’re not thinking before you speak anyway………Z.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 21, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Tigerhead
The one good think about hitting your head against a brick wall, it’s nice when you stop.
Play it as it lies
Guys
The “haters” were entrenched before the morality issue was discovered. They didn’t like him because he was arrogant, They didn’t like him because of unequal coverage. They didn’t like him because he cursed on course. They didn’t like him because he didn’t sign autographs, They didn’t like him because he bought fringe fans to this blog. They didn’t like him because he bought Nike into golf. They didn’t like him for a myriad of reasons. None of which had anything to do with his golfing prowess. That is beyond argument. So “true golf fans” don’t like the world’s #1 player for many many reasons, none of which is Golf. Hmmmmmmmm………….Who are really the fringe fans……….? And why don’t they really like him?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
F&G's brother
Why so bitter ? Everyone has the right to their opinions. To pan everyone in together as “Haters” ( which is thrown around a lot these days ) in unjustified. I do not hate any of the players, it’s the media I take issue with. The lack of balance in the reporting on the PGA is obviously swayed and it is unfair to ALL the players on tour. If not for ALL the players on tour there would not be a tour at all and hence no tiger and nothing for us all to argue about. LOL The number of people ( golf fans ) who watch tournaments with or without tiger in the field heavily out number just the tiger fans, both TV viewers and on the course. Therefore being just a TW fan vs being a golf fan makes the TW fans on the fringe. There is nothing wrong with being a TW fan as it is each individuals right to do what they see as fit for themselves in their world. To accuse everyone and anyone of being a “Hater” just cause they look at things differntley is unfounded and I for one take it as a personal insult. If someone called me a “hater” or a racist to my face “in person” for nothing more than being a "golf fan, they would find themselves on the receiving end of a serious beatdown. jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn.......
Are you a “hater?” Your sensitivity to my post is surprising to me. Let me educate you fellas as to the meaning of a “hater”. It’s a term which is basically descriptive of a person who is jealous of another’s standing, and thus finds every way to put that person down, or stand against that person. ie. If you’re a success in business, and your competitor says……yeah but he’s not married, thus he hasn’t had to deal with the problems married men do, then that person is a “hater”. Now if someone spoke of racists, or haters, and i wasn’t either of those, then why would i be upset, or speaking of beatdowns. Furthermore, look at the two clowns who immediately jumped (sorry) on the beatdown bandwagon. And for you to say that i am accusing “everyone” of anything is silly, and beneath you. To try to stop me from saying that “anyone” is a hater, is you being uninformed. Tiger has many “haters” always has, and to deny that is well wrong. IMHO. Now as to that beatdown……….let me say that “i aint no bandleader” lol……………. peace.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooooo.....
You’ve just described yourself as a hater…..confession is good for the soul….lol lol
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F & G's......Well at least you used
the “hater” card and not the “racist” card…..you’re making progress. Using your (and others) reasoning, if Hitler was a great golfer, I would have to like him solely because he was a great golfer. You “lovers” are a sad bunch, as you scramble to cover for your boy. The reasons you give for disliking the scumbag are right on, and just a few, as I could give you many, many more…..if that makes me a fringe fan, so be it. As for your last question…..well, I guess you’re not making progress after all. That question really lets your ignorance shine through.
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Keep stalking Woods
You’ll be watching…….you can’t help yourself. Find someone to cheer for, and maybe you’ll become cheerful. Your insults, and judgements are childish, and boring. I abslolutely know why you have never liked Tiger. You are a 55 year old caucasion from the Bible belt. As a child in your “neck” of the “Woods” Tiger could have only “served” one purpose on a Golf Course. So this evolution of his becoming the #1 Golfer on the planet probably has been tough on you. Get over it. He’s the best Golfer you have ever seen. Yet you don’t like him because of a bunch of nonsensical reasons……….I don’t think so. You don’t like him, because he has blown up your sport, and exposed the sorry Arsed “professional golfers” of today. Now you and the rest of the “Boyz in the Hoodz” have to just take the wuppin……..But hey, go take your performance enhancing drugs, and be happy. Don’t watch Tiger.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
F&G, Now I am insulted by your remarks, never mind em...
Are you a black man? never mind the African American bull S…In this country, we are ALL AMERICANS….When I was growing up, I was surrounded by kids of all different races, creeds and colors…Religions too…I played with some and not with others, and it didn’t have one damm thing to do with skin color or anything else…Some I liked, others I did not….This carried over into my teens and adult years….At my age, I still have FRIENDS of different persuasions…I visit them, they visit me…I play golf with them, and enjoy the company…some I don’t….I am one of the OLD CAUCASIONS YOUR TALKING ABOUT…I wasn’t born in the Bible belt, but I am a CHRISTIAN… Stop your bigotry, and name calling…I DON’T LIKE TW because of his CHARACTER…A great golfer, yes, a sorry excuse for a man…When I was growing up, my dad told me the most important things for a man, was to have INTEGRITY, RESPONSOBILITY, DEPENDABILITY & RELIABILITY….TW has breached several….I do not respect ANY ATHLETE, NO MATTER WHAT THE SPORT who cannot be a man….Sports accomplishment aside…And what is this garbage of blown up the sport, and exposed the sorry Arsed Professional Golfers crap your putting out? That’s pure bile, and has no place here…TW is the best currant golfer, not the best I have ever seen…Yes, I’m older than most here, so I have seen some really GREAT ONES…Some will like him, and some will not…that’s just the way it is, so get used to it…STUB
Stub.......F&G's words betray him.....
He is either a “whiny” black who thinks his blackness makes him entitled to something, or a “racist” white liberal who deals with his guilt of being racist by accusing anyone he can of being racist.
F’s & G’s…..Your remarks are growing tiresome. First, I was a Tiger fan, but grew weary of his lack of class and character….which was then intensified by the media overkill. I am a big fan of VJ, whose skin is darker than Tigers. Second there are many blacks I would support for President…..just not any lying, baby killing, tax and spend Chicago Thugs, which is what we now have. Third….I am not a racist, but if you need to call me that to make yourself feel better, go ahead…..just don’t call me a left wing liberal racist or we will have a problem. By the way, has anyone told you that you are an idiot??? Consider yourself told.
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Let me add....
There are “whiny” whites and “whiny” Hispanics and “whiny” Asians……I just don’t think F’s falls into any of those categories.
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Your comments em.
Have you entrenched in the problematic source of my anger. If someone disagrees with you, you launch a personal attack full of name calling, and lewdness. You have been called out many times, and not just by me. I have not called you a racist, but you do seem to be a delusional right wing bigot. Your thoughts of me mean nothing to me personally though, because even if you were a racist. I have been dealing with the likes of you my entire life. You have built me up, even when you sought to tear me down. Maya Angelou wrote a poem which spoke “and still i rise”. I have not judged you, as i know your God will. I just wish to inform you of your “problem” before it’s too late for you. And you calling me or anyone else an “idiot” only speaks to your shortcomings as a human being. You’re like a child, who when he doesn’t get his way starts crying, and throwing a hissy fit. You sir, are a bore. Go take your testorone shot, and your Viagra, and work on your V-groove. Peace.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're insulted hunh...
go back in time, and imagine a golfer not being admitted to a tournament, or event, simply because of ethnicity. That’s an insult. Think of winning your first major at 21, and being “insulted” racially by Fuzzy Zoeller. Insulted…………okay. The “bible belt” thing is me ridiculing an insulting title for that “neck of the woods” in my line of thinking it’s the “slavery belt”, or the “confederacy belt”, but i digress. Tiger was loathed by many as soon as he challenged the golfing supremacy of the establishment. Suddenly terms like “traditional golf fans” popped up, terms which are code for “the good ole boys”. Oh, i don’t mean to insult, instead i wish to inform, or expose. And yes stub, i am a black man. I totally agree with your assertion that we are Americans. I served with men and women of every background during my years serving my country………..this country, yet discrimination, and demeaning bigotry prevailed. I listen to the inuendo, and backroom slights bantered around on this site, and i just say. “par for this course”. I watch as people have “traditionally” posted anti Tiger crap for years, and years. Golf fans who have failed to acknowledge the greatness of the Golf he has played. Finding every excuse imaginable to say they don’t like the guy. Hey if it’s not you, then sleep easy, but my words are meant to cut at the one’s who (through Golf) have perpetuated the “white only” nonsense of your youth. “i won’t watch Golf if Tiger is playing” just a bunch of judgemental, living in denial clowns. He is simply the best Golfer alive. He’s not a clergyman, or world leader, or school teacher, or Police officer, or any of the important jobs which require public trust. He’s a golfer, and yet people have condemned him because he cheated on his wife, or cursed on course, or whatever. Why? i ask……….. though i already know. Why the fixation with the guy? if i weren’t a fan of his Golf, i wouldn’t post on his stories. Yet there are more “haters” here than fans. Why? i ask………. though i already know. I understand the jealousy of some, because he has dominated like no other, but why you guys?…………. Though i already know.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We should really ease up on the racism accusations....
None of us know each other well enough to make assumptions like that, and Frankly F&G that was out of line. With that said, perhaps it’s worth mentioning that racism is indeed a reality in this country, unfortunately. I would never accuse anyone here of it, and don’t believe any one here is, but it does exist. The truth is Tiger is a black man, married to a very attractive white women, and dominating what has been traditionally a white elitist sport. Now if you don’t think there are quite a lot of people in this county who have a problem with Tiger because of these things, then you’re simply not paying attention. It’s very sad and unfortunate, but true. Again, I’m not accusing ANYONE here of racism, just acknowledging reality.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead.....
Only one person here is screaming racist….unfortunately for you as a Tiger fan, the racist accuser is a Tiger suck-up who reveals himself as being clueless. I know you are a Tiger fan, but guys like him really don’t help your cause. Thank you for trying to show them some class, even though it doesn’t seem to sink in.
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Who dat!!!
I certainly didn’t scream racist. I simply asked a question to which much fervor ensued makes me wonder though. Why so sensitive boys?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 19, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey,I must be a racist too !
Want to know the kind of people I simply detest ??? That’d be the stupid ones ! There, I’m out of the closet, so now I’m a main stream racist. Funny, I don’t feel any different after confessin’ to y’all …..LMAO……Keep the blood pressure down boys, F&G’s just ain’t worth it. Have a great evening. Adios……………..Z.
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EM66,...yah, I hear ya.
F&G’s is an angry minority. I was one myself many years ago. It takes effort to break free of the self imposed anger. I’m still a minority, but I’m free of the anger towards anybody based on race. But I still have a short fuse for the stupid people who get in my face. Golf fans are never an issue. You meet the best people on the course. Sadly, it’s the fringe element, those that don’t understand golf etiquette ,that seem to be the loudest and the most ignorant. That’s F&G. I’ve dealt with that kind my whole life. Most of them were/are, just hot air. Those that had a chip, they soon had it removed the hard way. In here, ya here a lot of crap and just roll with it. But as JJ says, face to face would require a beat down, and I loved to dance. Not a pro like JJ, but Fred Astaire would have been proud, LOL………………..Z.
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Lord
spare me the pissing contest. Grow up and get over yourselves. He’s a golf pro, you have a difference of opinion, hardly consequential in today’s world and certainly not worth the rhetoric and absolute posturing being offered up by all sides. I’ve heard kids in the playground come up with better stuff than this.
Play it as it lies
notice how
when you disagree with some of these guys, they immediately start name calling, and judging. they don’t make a point, or dispute yours, they simply start calling names. They say you’re ignorant, or an idiot. All the while exposing themselves as just what they say you are. Look at 3 irons for example. He has stated many falsehoods, yet he continues. All because he failed in his career in professional golf. Hey man you tried. Lack of talent on that level is a killer, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Atleast you’ve managed to hang on in the game. Tent jumping and butt kissing can keep you plugged in. I applaude you for turning your lack of game, er love of the game into a living. You’ve done well for yourself. Conduct another clinic with the disclaimer, I didn’t make it, and continue on. Go talk to the cowards on tour who share behind closed doors what they won’t say in public; because of the beatdown they would get on course. Go talk to the professionals who have been made rich not by playing well, but by riding Tiger’s coat tails. Those same coat tails you are riding. Keep posting on the Tiger blogs, and keep living in denial. I haven’t heard many of you speaking of whom you are for, but i constantly hear who you’re against. But that’s what “haters” do. Take the field in your pools, and you’ll win 70% of the time. Those are good odds…………right.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 20, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This sort of debate often pops up when discussing Tiger..
Forget what colour he is…some blacks will tell you he isn’t even black. Forget this jealousy thing too. The bottom line is he was an only child with enormous talent that was honed since 2 years old. Talk about living through your children. Earl Woods knew Tiger would be great, but he was never humble about it. President one day ? What a laugh. I wonder what Earl would say now. Tiger is one of the best golfers of all time, if not the greatest. The trouble is in the modern age, he got 100 million dollars for turning pro and it didn’t stop there. He won like no other and signed this and that endorcement, but not many autographs. Instantly, he was seperated from golf fans. Not only that, once he won all those majors, he seperated himself from his fellow pros. Some will say they are friends of his. Not even his caddie knew what was going on. He became very arrogant toward everyone. Then his injury came alone and his frustration grew. I recall when he beat Rocco in the playoff, his speech was all about himself. When he came back and won with outrageous putts. But then the putting dried up, he lost to YE Yang, and didn’t even show class toward Yang for his great play. It is his club throwing, cursing, ( knowing he is the most exposed player of all time) no autographs, etc that has alienated him from golf fans who remember Arnold, Jack, Seve, Faldo and now Ernie and Mickleson who accually acknowlage the fans…you ever heard Tiger say thank you ? We all admire Tigers play (Tigerhead…I agree with you on all that) but it’s his seemingly disregaurd for golf fans in general that puts off people like 3 irons, em66, stub and others, including me. As we debate him on this blog and sometimes annoy eachother, that word racisim comes into it. Terrible thing too. I always tell anyone talking that trash to watch Mississippi Burning…that usually makes them think. That aside,only children who don’t know any better go nuts about Tiger here in Britain. Great golfer ? You bet. But I wouldn’t buy him a pint in a lifetime. Just compare Tiger to Roger Federer when Roger loses. He is humble. He congradulates the winner. And Roger dominates tennis even more than Tiger does golf. Roger is more like Jack was. It’s a shame Tiger, who is hell bent on 19 plus majors, didn’t learn that side of the game Jack knew so well. One final thing. in 1969, in the Ryder Cup, Jack conceeded that 5 footer to Tony Jacklin and the overall match was tied 16-16. I wouldn’t expect that today, winning means more it seems than it used to. But if Tiger learned an ounce of that kind of class, he would have a lot more fans.
Easing that's very well said
The truth is you’re right, there are many very legitimate reasons to dislike Tiger as a person. All of which I understand and even share in some of it. I admire him as a player, only. And it’s also true that we don’t really know how any of the professional players live / lived their lives off the course. They’re all humans and flawed. Let’s just remember the story of Tiger Woods is still being written. I believe we will see a much different Tiger when he comes back. I believe he needed to get knocked down hard to see the error of his ways. For some people that’s what it takes. I believe when we look back at this incident in 5 years we’ll say, that’s what turned him in the right direction. But there are a group of people, (haters or whatever you want to call them), that will never be happy with anything Tiger does. They’ll always look for the negative and ignore the positive. He’s made terrible mistakes, he’s behaved like a spoiled child on the golf course, he’s hurt his family. He can’t go back, what’s most important now is what he does from here forward. What did he learn? How will he change? Can he overcome his issues? I think those questions make a very compelling story and I simply propose that we give him a chance.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead & Easy.....
Easy….your post was right on and well said.
Tigerhead….Your argument never makes sense to me. If I don’t like someone (for whatever reason) why in the world would I want to cheer for them? There are just some people you don’t like. Take the hater and racist crap out of it. There are people in all sports I don’t like and I don’t cheer for them, so why should I cheer for Tiger….. because he’s the best??? Give me a break. I used to like Tiger, but I grew tired of him and his antic’s on the course…..the “incident”, as you called it, just confirmed my feelings. If he comes back a better person good for him….I hope he does, but I probably won’t be cheering for him on the golf course, and it has nothing to do with “hate” or “race”.
PS…..I really can’t stand Tom Brady….he whines and begs for calls on every play. He’s one of the best right now, but I’m not cheering for him.
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em66,
understand I’m not saying you should cheer for him. It’s completely your perogative whom you choose to support. You don’t like him and have plenty of VALID reasons why, which I have acknowledged MANY times. Not sure how I can be any more clear, but that’s fine with me, I get it, I understand; your opinion is completely justified and legitimate. What I don’t understand is why I, and other Tiger fans have to constantly defend ourselves for being a fan of such a great player and have to justify it. Being a Tiger fan is ALSO a completely justified and legitimate point of view. We also have VALID reasons for why we feel the way we do. We’re happy to see him return to the game and we want to see him do well with his personal and professional life. That’s all I’m saying.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead......You have every right to pull for Tiger.....
and I don’t have a problem with that. I guess the part I don’t understand is how you say you separate the golf from the person, but I will never understand that. Sorry that you feel like you are having to defend yourself…..you may be a collateral damage victim. You are a Tiger fan Sequoia Tree in a forest of suck-up Weeping Willows……lol.
I gotta be careful what I say….One Eye is taking notes……..lol
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LOL em66
You know I like you man. Let me try to explain a little further how I can separate it. In the business world I have many people that work for me. Some are excellent employees, some are mediocre, and sometimes unfortunately I get one that has to be fired. While I do care about my employees, my professional interest is ONLY about job performance. I probably have / had some people over the years who are great employees but terrible people in their personal lives. I can appreciate their value to me as an employee and not approve of the way the live at the same time very easily. And guess what, as high performing employees they’ll still be rewarded as such even if they’re cheating on their wives etc. because that’s none of my business. On the flip side of that if an employee is not performing to standard, I may have to fire them even though they may be a true saint away from work. It’s about drawing a line between what is and isn’t my business or concern. Hope that helps.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
t-pot,....gotta agree with ya.
I believe what Woods does with his life , is up to him,…..alone. He’s had his “chance” to win the public over for the last 13 years. From this point forward, he get’s no more chances. Now, he must earn respect from each and everyone involved in the game. That will be totally his task. Respect is earned not simply given because we feel sorry for someone. I feel equally sorry for Woods as I’m also a man, a father and a minority. But he’s got to earn back our respect. I’ve always said I respect his game and work ethic, but very little else about the guy. If he’s got the will to change, then we can all respect that effort. I am waiting to see the metamorphosis from El-Dick,…. into Tiger Woods “golf professional”. I really don’t care what he does in his personal life, it doesn’t interest me. As I said, I do feel sorry for him. We all have challenges in life, you, me,…everone. Today is new day, and we get to decide what we do with it So does Tiger, so we don’t have to give him a thing.He gets to choose his path. We’ll see if he’s sincere about it, or if he still feels entitled. If I had lost $40 mil in income, I think that would get my attention. We’ll see how Tiger handles it.
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"Never feel sorry for somebody with his own jet"
Don’t remember who this quote came from, but I think it holds relatively true.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
Tigerhead
Man you’re patient. These guys with all the negativity about the best golfer on the planet. Golf fans who speak of everything but golf. I commend you for your demeanor. You are my role model when it comes to bloggers. I read all this nonsense from these Angels, and Saints, and i just cringe. “If i had lost $40 million in income, think that would get my attention”. Words of a jealous Arse. If you had a $Billion, you wouldn’t fret so much over $40 million. I’ll give you this though 3 irons as you wrote. People should give Tiger the silent treatment. You should lead the pack. Go back in closed quarters with your tour buddies who stand to lose their incomes if Tiger isn’t around, and just be quiet. “kill ’em with silence.” Your smartest statement ever. Be quiet. Brilliant.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks F&G
but as 3irons can tell you, I’ve lost my patience with him MANY times over the last few years…lol. But hey, there are legitimate reasons why some don’t like Tiger. He is arrogant, selfish, and well not such a great family man. I do feel you on the racism thing, it’s real and it’s out there. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it at the club where I play, and I’ve heard it. It’s disgusting!! To not acknowledge this is a real factor would be extremely blind!! But it’s a bit over the top and unfair to accuse people of it that you don’t really know much about . Take em66 for example, he and I go back a few years and he did use to make many favorable comments about Tiger and I think he was indeed a fan. But he grew tired of Tiger’s on course behavior and it soured his opinion; I understand that. Then this thing comes out and it really disgusts a family man like em66, so I get where he’s coming from. That is a valid view and it has nothing to do with Tiger’s skin color. So in closing, yes there are plenty of racist pigs in the world, plenty, but in my estimation the people on this blog are certainly not. I’m with you though, I remain a huge fan, that’s not changing and I can’t wait to see him back out there again. I really believe he’s coming back with a new and improved outlook and attitude.
Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.
Charles A. Dana
The tour players never once
Complained about their salaries pre-TW and I doubt they will later in time.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
JJ
There was a recent article about prize money increases that showed Woods impact was not as great as in other eras. They based it on the percentage of increase.The increase in prize money during Woods career, was significant, but not nearly the impact derived from Arnold Palmer and a few others.
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Without wishing
to beat my head against that aforementioned brick wall. Yes and yes to you two. One of the best things I have ever heard on a golf course was an old friend of mine telling a young “would be if he could be” who was spewing obscenities after a poor shot – " Son, it doesn’t matter what you do for the rest of your life, that shot ain’t coming back, so get over it". Tiger can’t undo what has been, but he can overcome it. As you say TG, we can at least give him the chance to do so.
Play it as it lies
Did somebody really put Adolph
Hitler and Tiger Woods in the same sentence?
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by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Mar 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
Actually, yes, I did. I read all 128 comments
EM, why are you jumping on me? I just asked a question when I noticed a comment that stated, “…Lets take this to an extreme……if Hitler were the best golfer in the world, would you still take the same stand……what he does running his country, has nothing to do with golf???? Come on…..no one could cheer for Hitler because of the person, no matter how good he is. For me it’s the same with Tiger”.*
Hitler was never my favorite dictator.
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by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Mar 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Let's get some comments from the peanut gallery
After reading the italicized post below, does it appear to anyone that Tiger is being compared to Adolph Hilter?
When you write, “For me it’s the same with Tiger”, the SAME is the comparison word. So, in my opinion, you compared Tiger Woods to Adolph Hitler.
Peanut Gallery, say you..??
_Tigerhead…….
You can somehow separate the person from the golfer, which is what I have trouble understanding. Lets take this to an extreme……if Hitler were the best golfer in the world, would you still take the same stand……what he does running his country, has nothing to do with golf???? Come on…..no one could cheer for Hitler because of the person, no matter how good he is. For me it’s the same with Tiger…..this was not a one night stand mistake, but an orchestrated series of events that took place over and over with many different women. Where do you draw the line…..15….20….40….how many women, before the "person" and the golfer become the same and you quit separating them? Tiger is a person who plays golf…..
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by em66 on Mar 18, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs_
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Mar 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Ok, maybe you didn't understand my point, but
Tigerhead did. I will try to make my comments easier for you to understand. My point was this….If we can separate the person from the golfer (athlete), then we could cheer for anyone, no matter what they’ve done away from the course. As I said, Hitler was an extreme example. And, no they weren’t in the same sentence, but they were in the same comment….lol
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We all agree then..
Tiger has been an absolute arrogant prat and is in last chance saloon. Lets leave it at that. The Masters can wait, I’m playing Royal St Georges in 9 days. Anyone else got a special round coming up ? I’d like to hear about it, cheers.
Holy Cow Easy,
special rounds…lets see…ya There were 3-4 of us sitting there and one guy says….oh wait, are you talking about golf? sorry mates….STUB
3's, you come over for most Opens..
it’s there next year…you plan to go ? Also, I was looking at Whisper Rock GC, can’t seem to get in the website…any suggestions ?
EM66, why is everything confrontational with you?
Here are a few of those nice comments used by you, JUST in this post:
_I will try to make my comments easier for you to understand
Did you even read the posts????
Whiny……..waaaaaaaaaaaa
By the way, has anyone told you that you are an idiot??? Consider yourself told.
As for the Doofus Duffer, he’s an admitted suck-up and there is no hope for him
Ok, you know…… I can’t think of anything
I could say that you would be able to comprehend
Oh, by the way, don’t set your standards high than the Duffer’s or you will be called "holier than thou"……..what a doofus.
Does someone tie your shoes for you?_
Also, I’m pretty sure I speak for the group when I tell you how impressed we are with your three handicap.
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Mar 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
EM,
I see some don’t appreciate your sense of humor . LOL. Keep swingin’ mon amis, I know where you’re coming from. Screw’m if they can’t take a joke. FYI,…ANYBODY AT YOUR AGE STILL SPORT’N A “3”,…. impresses me ! Shows you work at it and are serious about the game. Kudos to ya mate. Stay on point. Adios,………………………Z.
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One Eye.......Cool!
Nice list, but I’m sure you missed some….I was sure there were several more. As for the 3, I was mistaken…..it’s a 3.1 index, as we all know there is no such thing as a “handicap”. Mine’s not accurate, as I didn’t post a 9 hole score during the 2nd week of January……lol
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EZ
I hope to be over for the Open in 2011 too,at least that’s the plan right now. Try whisperrockgolf.com, and you should be able to get in to the “visiters section”. Most of the site is for members only and requires a password,etc. Let me know what you need, and I’ll try and get the info to ya……………….Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Yes, I got to the visitors section.
Looks impressive from what I did see. I didn’t realise one needed a password to get into a golf website. I’ll let you know about July this year. You ever had a pint in the Jigger inn ? I have to check my days off this year..hope to be there at some point to see Seve’s goodbye.
EZ,...never been to the Jigger Inn.
Do they allow Navajos, or do I need to loose my “tan” ??? LMAO !!! Chill out all you pc butt-heads ! Am lookin’ forward to coming over to your side of the pond. Your people really made us feel at home. Thanks for the hospitality. ……………………Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Micheal Campbell has had a few in there...
and he’s as dark as you, lol. As I tan quite well from my Spanish holidays,( I’m going there in June)I might fit in well ! If I can make it, I’ll buy the first pint…thats for the Burners.
I am reminded of a analogy...
that some people’s brains are like waffles and others are like spaghetti. The waffle people can compartmentalize people, things, and situations without getting all of it mixed up…they often see something and then pack it away without connecting it to anything else. Spaghetti people’s thoughts, feelings, and emotions are usually tangled together…it’s natural to connect things together and they often linger for a longer time because it’s difficult to pack it away.
I’ll admit it…I’m a spaghetti brain. As much as I try (and I really have tried), to be able to separate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the person, I can’t. I can’t look at his face without my brain immediately focusing on the things I’ve read and watched about him. I have written other places that I do respect and admire his golf talents…and I mean that.
But in the world of my spaghetti brain, his golfing talents mean nothing to me in the big picture… character always trumps talent in my book. And this is where my thoughts leave the golf realm and go to my beliefs…my own personal moral compass.
Was it any of my business to know this stuff in the first place? No…and this is where I have come to appreciate Court’s comments (and others) about the media and our “right to know” things. But now that’s it out there and we’ve been witness to it, my opinions and feelings about this happen…blame that spaghetti brain!
As I’ve read all of these posts, I see waffles and I see spaghetti…and now I’m hungry! :-)
I respect those that feel they can block out everything but Tiger the golfer, but I just can’t do it myself…at least not yet anyway. I do hope for golf’s sake that we can get beyond all of this, and time is the only thing that can help.
None of this has changed my passion for golf, or players I still root for…but it has changed me in the sense that I now see what power can buy…both good and bad.
I appreciated the conversation and those who were honest in their feelings.
I write about golf at www.tees2greens.com, too.
Red.....great post,
from one “spaghetti” brain to another. Maybe that’s why it’s my favorite meal….lol
Hang in there on the fantasy golf. You can turn it around and move back up. I’ve had 3 good weeks….so I’m just waiting for reality to set in…..like having all 8 of my picks WD right before the tournament starts…..lol
The Saints ARE the SUPER BOWL CHAMPS....WHO DAT!
Character is private.
It has been said that a person’s character is proven by what they do when no one is watching. Under those rules we never really know a person’s true character, unless that person is ourselves. In Tiger’s case his character flaw has been exposed. He has been tried, and flogged.
But who else has flawed character? Do we have perfect lives, without sin, and issues? Who here has a clean “closet”? I’d venture to say no one. Morality, doesn’t exist in the context we use it in. Morals are a set of rules to live by. The Ten commandments are a set of moral rules, but we can’t even live by those ten basic rules. A man, in my thinking, had to hang on a cross to cleanse us all of our sins. Without his life and death, to my thinking, we’d all be headed straight for hell. That man (Jesus) admonished us to “judge not, lest we be judged”. To speak to another person’s character is …..IMHO. ignorant, not in a disrespectful usage of that word, but in a clinical one. If you haven’t witnessed that person’s entire body of work, then how can you comment on their character. We constantly misjudge people, because we don’t truly know them. We say, “i never would have thought he/she was capable of that.” All because we only see what a person wants us to see. We seem to constantly want to anoint people as saints, as soon as they perform well, or put on a show for our eyes. The old adage says point a finger at someone, and three more are pointed at you. Jesus said “don’t look at the speck in your brother’s eye, while avoiding the plank in yours”. Yet, we don’t seem to be learning. We all are human, We all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. It has also been written that the true test of a man is not how many times he get’s knocked down, but how many times he get’s back up. Problem here is we would choose to kick that man while he’s down, and push him back down as he attempts to stand back up. Guess that speaks to our character……hunh?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 22, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Your definition and mine...
are completely opposite. I appreciate your perspective, but it appears that a dialogue on this subject would be fruitless. But I certainly appreciate you judging me and calling me ignorant – you know nothing about me. Just kidding, I couldn’t help it. :-)
I write about golf at www.tees2greens.com, too.
I would like to know
your definition. Not just for the sake of dialogue, or argument, but as a learning vehicle for myself. Please expound sir, as It will not be fruitless.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay...
But first, please let me clarify that I’m not a “sir”.
Character, to me, is the opposite of private. Character is determined by actions, choices, and behavior in relationship to others which is based on a perceived set of values and morals. Whatever each of us believes is our purpose and responsiblity while here on earth will be the foundation on which character is assessed of ourselves and of others.
The “test” of character comes to each of us when we are alone (in private) in the sense that we ask ourselves if we are we doing things because we believe them or are we just putting on a facade when in a public environment.
You are absolutely right that none of us are perfect – humanity guarantees that. But I believe we were all given the ability to discern what is acceptable behavior and what are good choices. I also believe we need to put ourselves in situations and environments that will best enhance those actions we consider being of high moral value. When we don’t, our humanity often gets the best of us.
The point of my response was that character, which is my perception of actions based on my moral compass, is more important than talent. There is acceptable and not acceptable behavior…the courts define this, our churches and religions guide us on this, and society’s reactions to actions determine where the bar is set. All of these play into what people may consider in determining character. There is nothing private about that.
I write about golf at www.tees2greens.com, too.
I truly appreciate your point of view.
Thank you for your definition of character, and the examples of it. Also, let me apologize for calling you sir: excuse me. “Actions based on your moral compass”. I think that says a lot. Again, thanx for the perspective. No argument here. : D
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 26, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that Paul Robeson, or Pat Robinson?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Mar 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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