A 'Pro' Threatened to Shoot My Group at the Golf Course
I was standing just off of the 12th green at Stoneybrook West Golf Club in Winter Garden, Florida. My approach shot was slightly fanned to the right of the green. It was a good thing, too. Had I connected with a draw, I would have faced an impossible chip down a ten foot slope to the pin.
While I was waiting to hit my bump-and-run 8 iron to the cup, I looked back to the fairway to see how our third group of four did with their drives. Looking back, I didn't see our guys. There should have been three guys back there, including a man in a lime green shirt that was practically unmistakable. It wasn't them. Instead, it was some guy with a Srixon staff bag with his underdressed ladyfriend in the cart. They were evaluating a ball on the OB line. Well, he was. She was reading a magazine. In the fairway was an older looking gentleman taking practice cuts.
I pointed out to the two future in-laws playing with me that these guys had to have cut in front of our group. We figured that our guys had just let them play through and it was no big deal.
Fast forward to the 16th hole. It is a short par 3 at your home of the Hooters Tour Championship. Me and the two guys in the group hit the green in regulation. Two made par, the other a respectable bogey. (I made par.) As we walk off the the green to our carts that are about five yards away from the greenside bunkers, there are those two guys again. And they're teeing off to the green before we even get in the cart. How rude!
As we are leaving the green, we give them the customary, "What the hell but I'm not angry enough to slug you" look. Miffed but not pissed, we move on.
The final hole at Stoneybrook West is a pretty enticing par 5 from any tee box. After a decent drive, I had about 170 yards to the hole over water on the right. I reached the green in two and played the hole well. It was a nice way to finish. Afterward, we met up with our first group who was already done. We decide that we'll head back out to the 18th fairway to act like we're golf commentators and harass the guys playing up the last.
Meanwhile, we have to wait for the cutters to finish their round. These guys are struggling to get to the 150 yard marker. When they do, both put at least one ball in the drink. Just desserts, I think to myself. We start riding back out to the fairway to meet our guys as they're heading to the green. Being the jerk that I am, I look in the general direction of the cutter with the staff bag and laugh. No pointing, just laughing. Hell, it was funny that he hit into me and then he hit into the water.
Our third group (of four) plays the last hole with us chatting it up with them. Whatever, they all probably made five 'cause they're that great. After a little time to chat behind the 18th hole and some prodding from the head cart kid, we take our carts around to the clubhouse. And that's when the trouble starts.
The kid who cut in front of us is waiting for us outside of the clubhouse. So is his girlfriend, although she appears kind of disinterested. Now, though, he's sporting a name tag of some kind. He's an employee of the club.
We drive past him, not thinking much of him, and part our carts. We're starting to unload our bags when the kid saunters over and starts talking without our acknowledgment of him.
"So, how do you guys want to handle this?," he asks. "I hear you guys want to file some kind of complaint about us going in front of you, even though you gave us permission."
None of us had mentioned to anyone - much less this kid - that we wanted to or were going to file a complaint. This is a golf course, not the Better Business Bureau.
My future in-law Tony - the guy in the lime shirt that I was looking for on 12 green - starts talking to the guy, named Jason, in a firm but respectful tone.
"You told us that you were going to play 10, find the next open hole, and keep playing. You didn't. You never did."
Jason takes a drag on his cigarette and responds by saying, "I'm a pro here. You guys let me in."
Tony explains back, "No, we didn't let you in. We went to the bathroom after nine, came to the 10th tee, and you were there. We didn't let you in."
"Well, if you go to the clubhouse, then you lose your spot on 10."
Tony is incredulous. "I have never been to a golf course where that is the case, or that it's ok to cut in front of a group without asking them."
The bickering goes back and forth for maybe another 30 seconds. Nothing's changing, but Jason is getting visibly razzled. He takes another drag of his cig, flicks it toward the grass, and starts pointing at Tony while he is addressing him.
That act of disrespect by Jason - a twenty-something kid - to Tony, who is fifty plus, sets off my future in-law Rocky. Rocky is an educator who does not take kindly to kids who disrespect their elders. He immediately steps toward Jason and says, "Get the hell away from him. Get inside. And I don't want to see you again. Just get out."
Jason gets into show-off mode for his girlfriend and starts jawing with Rocky. Now, it's a scene. Course employees have noticed what is taking place and are magnetizing themselves toward Jason. They ask him to come inside, grab his shoulder and arm, but he refuses and keeps chatting closely with Rocky.
The girlfriend has seen enough. She's been muttering comments to herself about the situation but she really wants to be heard. It was just that no one was paying attention or cared. So then she decides to insert herself into the situation and stick up for her man. After a couple of loose comments finally loud enough for someone to hear, Rocky turns to her and says, "You shut your piehole!" and in a swift motion returns to Jason.
By now, the course employees have corralled Jason and tell him to just go into the clubhouse. He's done enough already. He says he's cool and he will just go home with his ladyfriend. So, he grabs his keys and his girl and they walk to his silver Saturn VUE SUV. He turns on the car, which is idling about five feet from the cart area, where his car is parked at the curbside. The thing is, though, he's not leaving. His girlfriend and him are continuing to chat to themselves in the car and staring our group down with a gaze.
Meanwhile, we're done with it. It's bad enough that this kid instigated a verbal altercation. We just want to go home. Several of our guys have to catch their flights home. There's not much time to fight. Tony is talking to one of the starters that came over to shut down Jason, and he agrees that not only was what Jason did rude, but it was wrong for an employee to do.
The rest of us are getting out clubs in our cars and getting ready to go. We're starting to chat at the cars about what the plan is. Now, Jason and his girlfriend start to back out. They're ready for more, clearly shown by the fact that Jason tied a plastic tarp over his tailgate so as to hide his license plate from view. He rolls down the passenger side window that is facing our cars - of course, leaving his girlfriend exposed to the air - and resumes the golf def jam.
After some back and forth that I don't hear too well, but includes encouragement from our guys to Jason to go home, he says to us, "Why don't we drive down to the end of the street and I'll put a bullet in all your heads?"
Not especially threatened, the guys keep telling him to just go. And then the girlfriend crosses the line and says, "Why don't you shut up, you fat f*&k!"
My future in-laws are big guys and they don't take kindly to that kind of remark. Instantly, that got the guys up off of the tailgate of their truck. They had been sitting, but the weight comment got their attention. Now it's clear to Jason that it's not in his best interests to stay. The Saturn carrying the two of them starts coasting toward the entrance with heavy bass music playing. Surely, Jason got a lot of lovin' that night for standing up - or something like that.
Now infuriated, several of our guys go into the clubhouse to file that complaint. Threatening to be shot and a verbal assault will prompt that. Apparently after a brief - maybe ten word - explanation of what happened, the Winter Garden PD was called. They also tell me that Jason's full name is Jason Kellyman (though I can't find him on Facebook). Shortly after that, the assistant pro comes to meet the guys and I, since I want to hear what will happen next.
We go into his office, and he asks us to explain our side of the story. We say that one of his pros has threatened us. He stops us there and asks for the kid's name. We tell him. He's surprised.
"Jason? He's one of our cart boys."
So much for being a pro.
We finish telling our story as the police arrive and poke their head in the office to make us aware they are here. We clear out of the office so that the police and the real pro can chat amongst themselves (topic: the soon-to-be-fired employee) and talk to Jason on the phone for his side.
As it turns out, Jason's probably done at Stoneybrook West. The beverage cart girl told us that she saw Jason's cart contained a bottle of Jack Daniels, or some kind of hard liquor. The kid was probably drunk, or at least buzzed, and that hiked his bravado. But he never passed our fourth group to get to the third that he actually cut off. He just jumped on at ten, thought he could lie his was into the rotation on the course, and then got a little too high on his horse when he was really just deep in it.
Stoneybrook West says they're going to "make it right." I'm not sure what that is, but I'm pretty sure that has never happened to me on the course before and it'll never happen again there.
If that is the kind of action that you crave on the course, though, sign up to become a fan of the course on Facebook.
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Wow. Just….wow.
That sort of crap is rare on any golf course I’ve ever played, even the kind where you can hear gunfire off in the distance. The sort of great course that’s old and is in or adjacent to a decayed neighborhood.
I wouldn’t hold the cart boy’s actions against the golf course itself, though. Idiots are everywhere, they’re breeding and they are de-evolving into ever stupider forms. While the course did hire him, it bears pointing out that they seemed to try their best to take care of the situation as soon as they knew about it.
Now then, I wonder if this Jason fellow was charged with communicating threats?
You need a body guard !
Not a very pleasant experience from the sound of it. Some courses (very,very few) still have a policy that unless you go directly to the 10th tee (pee break, beer break, etc) that the “following” group is entitled to play through. This kid took advantage and should have been fired for his action. Glad it didn’t escalate into anything more serious. Perhaps my new venture,“Navajo Security” could be an option for your group next trip ? LOL My PGA membership eliminates my golf fee’s, but I’d expect you to take care of my Jack Daniels tab,…on second thought , just buy a Colt 45 automatic and a nice Kevlar golf vest.. It’ll be waaaaay less money. LMAO We do live in crazy times……………………………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Damm,
I kept reading and reading, waiting for the fist-a-cuffs to start…very disappointing…no real action…Your dad is right, false courage does come from a bottle…Ryan, is this why you only posted 1 time in 3 days…you were too busy with this type intertainment?…we kept waiting for your daily activities, but nnooooo, you were jawing with idiots….lol…glad no one got hurt….STUB
Why did he want to take you all up the street to shoot everyone? Was he afraid he would get fired if his boss saw him shooting customers?
You know, I don’t mean to make light of a situation that probably was (and still may be) upsetting, but this guy’s behavior just makes me laugh. Thankfully no one was hurt, so we can just laugh at what a jackass the guy is.
Ryansdad, if that guy had gone home toothless, I wouldn’t have blamed you guys. He certainly deserved it.
now wait a minute…would you have that same “don’t shoot” mentality if the guy was a marshal instead of a cart barn kid ? If we could get some armed marshals on the course….we’d be playing all rounds under 4 hours !! :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
What don't shoot mentality?
Hah, they probably would have been justified in shooting him.
Now, armed marshals are a different story. That would be for the good of society.
by Double Eagle on Mar 10, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan.....
I have to commend you on staying level headed with this moron. I don’t handle those situations quite as well. I could tell you some stories of experiences I’ve had over the years. I’m not sure why I haven’t had the crap beat out of me, but I just go kinda ballistic when those things happen. I was hoping I would mellow out as I got older…..oh well!
The Saints ARE the SUPER BOWL CHAMPS....WHO DAT!
The self-entitlement in young people these days makes me want to put up shop on a lawn and shake my fist at all of them… and I’m in my 20’s! See it every day on the train up here – makes me want to embrace hostility.
PS Is that really “ryansdad”? Awesome.
Where’s the Calc column?
Whoa, there...
You’re not allowed to use the phrase “young people” yet until your mid-30’s. Don’t worry, you’ll thank me later. And don’t feel bad, I’m not allowed to use either “whippersnapper” or “rascally kids” yet.
by Double Eagle on Mar 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget
it either…Older than dirt…STUB
YOUNG people ??? Today’s generation has 3 generations of training to get as good as it as they have. Thankfully, there are also a lot of sharp young people who see how things are supposed to work in this country and are working to repair at least some of the damages.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Proof positive
That testosterone is the most dangerous chemical on the planet.
Placebos, of course, are things you have to swallow even though they contain nothing that actually helps you. It's like American health insurance in a pill. -BiPM
on course altercations
I used to play with a guy who always someohow managed to get into shouting matches on the course, often involving the threat of someone getting beaten with a golf club. I’ve been hit in the head with the back of a driver which required about 30 stitches, I can’t imagine how much an iron would hurt. Let’s keep it civilized on the course shall we? And girlfriends who are along for the ride on the course need to pipe down in these situations.
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Wow this clown takes douchebaggery to a whole new level. Doesn’t he know that just having a blonde bimbo on his arm won’t make him play like Tiger? Good job keeping your cool Ryan, must have taken all you have to keep you from hitting him with a little knock down 5 iron
Dare to Dream
by PureGolfJourney on Mar 11, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions
never trust
a guy with a Srixon staff bag. Jim Furyk and Vijay Singh will put a cap in your ass Ryan.
So that's your side of the story then
but if you go into the clubhouse at 9, I’m playing through. You may have only booked for 9; you might be stopping for coffee, lunch, etc, how long do you want me to wait for you and hold everyone else up in the meantime? You’ve certainly fallen a hole behind. Plus manners go both ways through generations. Jason may have behaved like a jerk but I’m not convinced that your group comes out smelling of roses from this episode either.
Sounds like a bunch of women
who need to relax and just play golf
If someone went in front of us, I would just let them go and continue play
The world wont end
Totally wrong assumption, Alious
Keep up with the group in front – or let me through – that’s the etiquette, no?

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