Elin, Jack, and Butch Harmon All Offer Clues to Tiger's Return
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST
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PrintIt seems that many of the details of Tiger Woods' private matters are out in public now. The natural progression of speculation will now shift to wondering if and when Woods will return in 2010. Three people very crucial to his career and personal life may well hold some answers.
First up is Jack Nicklaus. In a teleconference with reporters today to discuss his 70th birthday, the Golden Bear said he would be surprised if Woods did not play in 2010 given the sites of the first three majors. Woods has won half of his 14 majors at Augusta National, Pebble Beach, and St. Andrew's.
Nicklaus said, "If Tiger is going to pass my record, this is a big year for him."
Next is Tiger's first professional coach, Butch Harmon. In an interview with Sky Sports, Harmon said that he expects Tiger to return in March. He also pointed out the major venues as a driving reason for Woods' imminent return.
And, finally, Elin may be tipping that a divorce will be forthcoming - which has led to speculation that such a move would afford Woods a chance to return to the game sooner than later. Elin arrived at the site of Tiger's two private corporations - ETW Corp and GTW Corp - to gather documents. The Palm Beach Post reported the news and indicated that a wife has access to such documents in the state of Florida in the event of a divorce proceeding.
Earlier in the week, Steph Wei and I took a look at both of those corporations, one of which is mostly unknown to the public.
It seems that the public sentiment is that Woods will play in 2010 and that the start could come in his home state. Until then, the season is beginning with a very bunched leaderboard at Kapalua.
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There has GOT to be a TV detective show that can come out of this. Two complete speculative answers from two guys who don’t spend time with Tiger Woods…and the ol’ “she stopped in for documents” ploy…except the “legitimate” news company doesn’t actually know what documents were gathered by Elin.
I’d suggest an episode of “Psych”, but “Sean Spencer” actually gathers facts through his observations.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Clues??????????? How about
Professor Plum in the Kitchen with the candlestick.…..er…3 iron
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
court,
It seems to be a pattern with you….you don’t want anyone to speculate on anything about Tiger. Since no one, except Tiger and his handlers, know when Tiger will return, anyone else’s opinion will be definition be….wait for it….SPECULATION. It seems like you then don’t want anyone to talk about Tiger, but yet you post your opinion in every thread about Tiger.
Ryan’s article, with ot without Jack/Butch’s speculation, is informative and common sensical. Mike Wilbon on PTI today said essentially the same thing, after admitting he has no idea where Tiger is or what Tiger is planning, he came to the common sense conclusion that TW will probably return to the tour somewhere in Florida in March and definitely be ready for the Masters.
And why on earth would you even mention the fact that…“the "legitimate" news company doesn’t actually know what documents were gathered by Elin.”? Of course they don’t know; everyone on earth, led by Tiger himself, has been screaming that this is a private
matter and TW and his family deserve their privacy. The fact is, and Ryan makes mention of it although apparently you can’t read, that Elin just requesting these papers, makes it more likely that she will file for divorce, and that in turn makes it more likely that Tiger will return to the tour sooner rather than later.
Tell you what, nibs – I’ll go out to the local golf store tomorrow and ask three people about when Tiger will be playing again…and guess what…I’ll get information that is EXACTLY as legitimate as Nicklaus and Harmon and someone watching Elin walking into an office building to possibly pick up papers which may or may not be connected to a possible divorce.
How’s that ? Happy now ? (silly me – you’re never happy)
If a “news” outlet is doing a report, they are SUPPOSED to have their facts in order. They have NO clue what kind of documents Elin got from that office – they are GUESSING – which means it is not news – it is guessing. This isn’t a mathematic trend that someone with RB’s experience can disect and predict. I didn’t mention it – it’s in the article.
The POINT, nibs, is that these people are grasping at straws for no apparent reason than to keep a story going. The ONLY thing that asking Nicklaus and Harmon does is put a facade of legitimacy to more tabloid “journalism”. THEY DON’T KNOW any more than anybody else. There is no point to putting a story like this in a newspaper.
and if you want to get into “patterns” – have you noticed that you accuse everybody of not being able to read when they disagree with you ? juvenile insults don’t generally help to support a person’s argument.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
“Tell you what, nibs – I’ll go out to the local golf store tomorrow and ask three people about when Tiger will be playing again…and guess what…I’ll get information that is EXACTLY as legitimate as Nicklaus and Harmon and someone watching Elin walking into an office building to possibly pick up papers which may or may not be connected to a possible divorce.”
,,,thank you, court….you make my point much better than I ever could. As to your POINT, Jack/Butch are answering a question and the reporter is posting a story that lots of people including yourself are interested in….so there is indeed a POINT to putting a story like this into a newspaper or blog.
And I’m not accusing you of illiteracy for not agreeing with me but rather I point out when you apparently can’t read. I even quoted your offending sentence, here it is again from your first post…“except the "legitimate" news company doesn’t actually know what documents were gathered by Elin.” And my accusation apparently assisted you because you corrected yourself in this latest post by saying instead…“someone watching Elin walking into an office building to possibly pick up papers which may or may not be connected to a possible divorce.” So now you understand, (thanks to me), that the identity of the papers do not matter, but you stubbornly and foolishly persist in your error that Elin picking up these papers does not portend divorce. This is NOT speculation; it is a fact that you are a spectacular fool; someone needs to point that out to you; I am happy to provide that service!
So tell us, Nibs – just how do you KNOW that the papers picked up by Elin “portend divorce” ? For all you know, she was digging up her kids’ birth certificates or gift receipts from Christmas shopping. I’m not saying that you’re wrong, not saying you’re right. What I’m saying is that this is a GOSSIP story – not a NEWS story.
Because a reporter asks a question does not make it legitimate news – especially when the people they are talking to have said that they have had no direct contact with the subject. How can this be so difficult for you to understand ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court,
How do I know that the papers picked up by Elin portend divorce? Simple….because I can read! From the article…." Elin arrived at the site of Tiger’s two private corporations – ETW Corp and GTW Corp – to gather documents. The Palm Beach Post reported the news and indicated that a wife has access to such documents in the state of Florida in the event of a divorce proceeding."
…As for your other question, I already answered it in my last post…have someone read it for you!
Court,
peoples opinons differ as we all know, but you are right, Niblic’s condensending insults suggest 2 things…1,he feels the need to insult someone to support his opinon ( a valid one wouldn’t need any help) and 2, he can’t be a very nice person to have a beer with…after a few drinks he is bound to disagree with you…the isults would just increase when the beer took hold.
Easingwold,
Your suggestions/inferences are incorrect….1) I don’t feel the need to insult court, I just like to….he’s such a pompous ass and the dangerous thing is that he thinks he’s intelligent. And 2) I actually can be a nice person to have a beer with, but I certainly don’t need even one beer to disagree with you…all I need is some departure from the truth. I seek the TRUTH, not civility…you would be wise to ponder this as you, by your own account, are NOT seeking the TRUTH.
By the way, I documented in my posts to court, where he departed from the truth, so therefore, the alleged insults to him about not being able to read, were not “condescending insults”, but rather a gracious assist on my part to get him back to the truth. Evidently you too have reading issues!
Funny thing is truth
The free French resistance were seen as terrorists by Hitler, yet, freedom fighters on our side against Germany. Which was the truth ? Depeneds on your point of view. If you say that all your points of view are always correct anfd the truth, you are far more pompous that court can ever be.
“If you say that all your points of view are always correct anfd the truth,”
…and if you discerned that from my post, and you just did, then I rest my case….you are an illiterate fool!
Speculation... I believe I was chastised for engaging in that....
Personally, I find em66’s “clue” the most appropriate. Aren’t golfers told again and again, “stay in the present”, “The most important shot is the one your playing right now.” Once again there’s some life wisdom in golf!
Tiger's return.
C’mon guys,….study TW’s patterns, and what we now know about his lack of moral compass, and figure it out. What matters most to Tiger, has always been Tiger !!! He’s not even paying lip service to saving his marriage, or his reputatioin or anything else. He’s hiding out until the surgery will not be noticable, then he’ll start workin on his game and will look normal for the inevitable paparazi photos. He’ll pay his legal team to save him as much $$$ with the divorce as they can, and he’ll have at least 2 events before Augusta. He’s a very simple study. I doubt he’ll even contest custody of his kids because they do not get him to where he wants to be. He’s a one dimensional fella, who was living a lie, and now his attitude will be,… so what !!!…., this is who I am. This will finally show the world that he really is a typical professional athlete, albeit the first to be exposed in pro golf. Pretty transparent. It’s all about Tiger and I doubt he will be very media friendly anymore. Why,….because he doesn’t need to be as he’s not covering up anymore. What we see, is what we’ll get. Some won’t notice, but a great majority of fans will never climb back on his wagon. Again,…in TW’s mind,….it doesnt matter a lick. The term"ice man" will be appropriate, and at least it’ll be honest……………….Z.
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Excuse me for butting in....
That would be the highly speculative reconstructive facial surgery had due to the highly speculative beating he got from his wife. TH: I’m sure when you see who has written the comment you know EXACTLY what to expect! To his credit, and for the sake of brevity, 3irons leaves out the phrase “I think” with which most comments made about this matter could begin.
Oh right...
but that has been mostly debunked by the report that TW did secretly meet with the FHP 4 days after the accident, so it is at this point well beyond highly speculative into the mostly crap category…lol
Roll Tide !!
Surgery ???
Debunked huh ? Then how is it Tiger was spotted at Scottsdale Municipal Airport only hours after the “hydrant” scandal ? An impersonator no doubt LMAO All the " high rollers" in golf use the SMA due it’s 3 mile proximity to the TPC OF Scottsdale. FYI,….it’s 5 miles to the Mayo Clinic as well. What surgery did he have….???, who knows ! But I’ll tell you this, there are as many cosmetic surgeons in Scottsdale as divorce lawyers. Cosmetic surgery here is a huge business. Just check out the women in the malls here,….stunning ! Nobody ‘s explained that FAT LIP yet have they ? Perhaps that’s due his “scalpel time”. Supposedly he got his teeth fixed too.Soooo, absolutely nothing has been debunked !!! (snopes.com) I was dead on about this guy being a phony, but even I never expected this. Time you pulled your head outa yor arse and admit the truth. You’re backing the biggest sports fraud of all time. At least we all knew Bonds was an a$$h0!e.
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Where is this story about TW being in Scottsdale “hours” after assaulting the hydrant ? If he was in an airport, why isn’t there a flight log report or video since every airport is required to have video cameras ? Why go to Scottsdale when there are huge numbers of excellent plastic surgeons just a few minutes south by jet in Miami ? I haven’t heard any other explanation for his injuries than the crash…not that there aren’t other possibilities…but you can get pretty banged up at 30 mph.
t-head is a fan, no doubt, but what’s the point of buying into the wild speculation ? There is no proof to any of these crazy stories. If something crazy happened in your life, wouldn’t you want the benefit of the doubt ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court.....I read a story that is similar to
3irons post. The ER doctor supposedly knew of a doctor in the Phoenix area that could “fix” Tiger’s wounds and be “quiet” about it……where I read it……..???? maybe the WSJ…lol lol
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
I don’t doubt that. I’m sure there are lots of doctors who can keep secrets. But he has to get there and get back, with who knows how many cameras and checkpoints he would have to go through to make the trip. Not saying it DIDN’T happen – I’d just like some proof…
actually…it doesn’t really matter to me if he went or not. If I had one of the world’s most recognized faces, I would want it repaired ASAP, too.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
So many stories, so little time......
hows a man to know what to believe??? I think its time to go back to “Who killed Kennedy”……much less confusing…..lol lol
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EM66 & Court
Can’t tell ya who killed JFK, but we all know who killed Tiger Woods. He did himself in. FYI,…SMA is a private field frequented by high rollers. Tiger does have access to a jet does he not ? I heard this tale (Woods spotted at SMA) from the director of SMA. He plays here at WR. Does that make it true,….of course not. But it certainly fits in with what’s been reported. We’ll see soon enough, as you know the paparazi will be doing before/after photo analysis of Tiger’s grille. lol……………………z
you're still away,...choke on it !
3irons
I have some questions about clubs….can you email me. putts4dough66@yahoo.com
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Hey – it’s possible – but he would still have to file a flight plan.
A lot of things have been reported – some have been true.
plays here at WR ? Waggle Room ? or is that a golf course out there ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court.....WR is Whisper Rock, the club
3irons is a member of. It is also the home club of many touring pros. During last years match play with Casey and Olgivy in the finals, it was mentioned numerous times that they both were members of Whisper Rock……most of us from TGC already knew that, but I realized you guys here at WR (WaggleRoom) would not have known it.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
I think you read it here, but..
the story was debunked by Ryan. Also all doctors can keep quite, they’re required to by HIPPA laws.
Roll Tide !!
If you want...
you can believe every rumor you hear and buy into all of the speculation including TW was using PED’s. Or you can wait until actual facts come out, and not believe everything you read on a golf blog. If leaning towards the latter means “it’s time I pulled my head outa my arse”, then that’s just the way it’ll have to be.
Roll Tide !!
T-POT
Sorry about the “arse” thing. Was outa line there. As for “facts” about all this,….somehow I doubt we’ll ever know what really took place. However, given the time frame between when he was “supposedly spotted” at SMA, and when he “secretly” met with FHP, it is most assuredly one plausible theory, amongst many. I doubt his name would appear on any flight documents in any case. His people would take care of that I’m sure. I’m wondering how difficult it would be to access that kind of information anyway. I’ll ask my flight director buddy at SMA. Couldn’t be that simple???,…could it ? Naaaaw…………………………Z.
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No worries 3i's
Yea we’ll probably never know exactly what happened, but perhaps a more important questions is should know or do we need to. Still none of our business in my view.
Roll Tide !!
"I Think" 3irons has been right on about Tiger
the past 2 years. “I think” I will wait and see what happens. “I think” it will be very cold here again today and so “I think” I will not get to play again. “I think” that sucks …er is frustrating…..I think……lol
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
hmmm
In my estimation, 3irons has been wrong about just as much he has been right, if not more so. Throw enough crap against the wall and some of it will always stick..just saying.
Roll Tide !!
No, I'd give 3 irons about 75% right at least..
and thats not counting recommending my new irons , lol
Burner '09's tried them 4 times before I got them..
easy to hit, even for me. Do try if you are looking for new ones.
good choice. my brother just picked up the R9’s, but it was close between the 9’s the 7’s and the Burners.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I almost went for the Tour Burners
the feel was better and I loved the looks, but as I’m a 10 handicap and getting on a bit, i figured the ’09’s were better suited to me for the next 10 years, touch wood.
That would be the tabloids..
They’re always looking for crap. Or you might say they are also throwing crap hoping it’ll stick, depending on you’re perspective….lol
Roll Tide !!
This could be an interesting study...
Does the same crap have a better chance of sticking the more times it is thrown against the same wall ? They haven’t said anything new in weeks, but these same stories keep popping up.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Did you miss the story yesterday. One of the skanks is
negotiating a book deal…..she says Tiger likes guys…….now that’s gotta be a bunch of “poop”.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
lol – missed that one. How the heck do you get a BOOK out of a hookup ? Maybe a special edition of Penthouse Forum…
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
lol – I was thinking more of depth of character development…but that’s probably not going to be the high point of the book.
wasn’t one of the big porn movie companies offering a million dollars for stories with “demonstrations” ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
"I think"....so. Someone is also offering mega bucks for a sex video....if one exists.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
I see everyone is awake and at it!
I saw that gay thing…now that’s certainly going to generate some business for somebody. A sex video? These two things will create some new humor no doubt.
Hey EM,
I THINK,we commission 3 irns to go find the video, next, I THINK we should have Ping do the editing, than I THINK we should financially back Court who can do the distribution..What do you THINK about all that…by the way, I THINK I’m beginning to worry about the Macer…haven’t heard from him for a while, and usually anytime 3irns did a spot, ol Macer was there too…any THOUGHTS ON THIS…Oh, and by the way, everyone say a silent prayer or something for Wendy and Easing there in the cold and snow…From what I’ve read, this is the worst in Europe in 30 years…even the mice are going into buildings to get warm…ya gotta love that…I THINK…STUB
1* Celcius !!!
Good Lord mate,….jump on a plane and come to Scottsdale. 1* C ! ! !, …isn’t that like 34* F ? …Z.
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Sounds like a plan.
Macer is still saying the same things over and over on TGC……he is stuck on stupid (5th tier). Macer posted here a couple of times, but went back to his comfort zone.
Where in Texas are you???
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Macer is stuck on Stupid
HAHAHAHAHAHA ,,,,Now thats funny right there.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Raggin' on Macer? In absentia?
What’s up with that?
Besides, he's always absent.....he makes his posts at 4 am
then you never hear from him again……..
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Fantasy Golf Question please ??????
I am currently in second place in my fantasy golf #2 There is a column that says, Rank +/- . Most of the people in my league have a +9 or a -12 or some # in their column and myself and two others have the # 0 in ours. The question is ? What is this column for and why do ony a couple of us have #0 ????
I’m currently in second place.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I think it means how many places you went up or down. Mine
was +11, as I went from #30 to #19. The person who led after round one was -8 and he was in 9th place, so I pretty sure that’s what that is. Good job on #2. Red Tees is #3 in our group.
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Sounds resonable and probably correct.
Anyone know for sure if this is correct ? Thanks em, I kept my same players 2 days in a row and will keep again today.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
I THINK
I have a problem…I kept my same guys for two days cause I didn’t know how to change them..can’t even get to the ## page…I think I will be stuck with the same players all year…Where, Oh where is the Big Wieze when I need her…STUB
Groveling Fools
I was going to start a new blog about this but changed my mind as I’m to PO’d about it to concentrate ? Yesterdays tournament was action packed for the “true golf fans”, but the Golf Channel once again failed with their reporting. At aout 7:45 pm est., the panel was discussing the future of the PGA without tiger and it was said by Tilghman and Lerner that the players should start showing more emotion and personality on the course allowing the fans to get to know them a little more. Lerner also stated that if the players didn’t do it then it was up to the reporters like him to tell people what they know about each player. He must be kidding right ? TGC has had the last 10 years or more to subscribe to this way of FAIR and Balanced reporting, but instead did little of the sort. Rather they only focused on Tiger and left the others on tour out to dry 60% of the time. I wrote to TGC many times and suggested they do a weekly focus on one select tour player each week, so that perhaps they could introduce players to new fans of the game of golf. Did they do it Nope. But now suddenly they want to switch gears. They waisted 10 + years not promoting the TOUR as a whole and focused on the Golden Goose and now it MIGHT cost em. TGC says this is their new focus, but I will bet Dimes to Donuts they forget all about their new attitude when and if Tiger returns. TGC owned and operated by comcast cares little to nothing about what we the fans think and only their bottom line. Sure they have to make money to survive, but I think the Golf Fans deserve a lot better than we have gotten to date from them.
And Ryan , the Golf Channel blog can’t hold a candle to this one as if the reader does not like what they see in the articles posted herein then they can write their own for all to see and comment on. The way it should be…jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Ok, we want all you guys to be like Tiger.....TGC SUCKS
Cink told them that the emotion thing doesn’t help him….Good for Cink. Jumpn…..great post….you’re right on.
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Did you see the funny part of that interview ? He said that 95% of the guys don’t do well letting their personalities out on the course – and he’s one of that 95% – BUT – he also “encouraged” other players to let THEIR personalities show.
VERY tricky – get THEM to be the personalities…but he’ll collect the bigger checks. (lol)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Cink
says he gets his personality across on Twitter where he has more than 1 million followers (including me) rather than on the course. He posts replies, photos, jokes, etc. He has suggested that golfers use whatever means they are comfortable with to interact more with fans, etc (but I don’t think he meant Tigger’s way).
Well said Jumpn
I totally agree….and now to suggest that the players manufacture personas, so the talking heads can have some drama, is absolutely pitiful. You are point on here. There is tons of actual Golf info they could report on, and share, but they are looking for Made for TV mess. Great post.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, F's and G's and I finally agreed on something........could
this mean the end of the world????……lol
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I’ve been doing meditation and other psyche training to block out Tilghman and Lerner as much as possible…then some clown gave Nobilo a sheet of elevation changes and the adjustments to yardage.
Pro – can’t say that I blame you for being pissed. the “leader” in golf broadcasting is expecting us to bend over for yet another year.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
em, we both love golf...
I play the draw from the left side of the tee box, and you hit that fade from the right, but we share a love for the game i’m sure. Though the world is closer to collapse after this latest revelation. P.S. I admire your zest for debate.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 9, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
JJ
Well said bro about TGC. I’m wondering if viewership is down for them. I know I only watch the events on TeVo so I can skip the ads and that boring duo of Tilghman and Lerner. I bet the ratings are down cuz TW is gone, but it could be comparable to when he was out with the ACL. If ratings are lower now, then the true golf fan base is being eroded, and that would have nothing to do with Tiger. THAT, would be a slap in the face on their poor content. No wonder their looking to change it up,…if ratings are that bad. Not my field, but I’m sure somebody on here might have access to that info………Z.
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Before
I get with EM on this fantasy stuff, will all who think the GC sucks please hold your drink with your right hand, and raise your left…. see, I counted about 1 zillion, more or less, so that makes it official…THE GOLF CHANNEL SUCKS…Just one other thing I wanted to ask, and maybe 3irns knows this…Did Elin leave that office carrying boxes of stuff, or did she have an overstuffed brief case…If it was a briefcase, that’s probably for the Atty…If it’s boxes, the FBI and IRS are involved…and answer me this…Why does Nobilo always have a disclaimer injected into his analysis such as “however”…he must have gone to the politically correct school with Breed…God I love that guy, but will someone please shove a sock in his mouth?? 3irns, Ping, Court, anybody??…STUB
don’t suppose you’d believe Elin was just picking up some extra diapers ? didn’t think so
I like Nobs – but you’re right, he needs to stop thinking he is supposed to be Mr Wizard and just let that easy going personality and love of the game do what it does best – talk GOLF. If he second and third guessed himself on the golf course the way he does on a broadcast, he wouldn’t have made it out of junior golf.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Stub
I have no clue about what Elin could have been picking up. But your IRS observation caught my attention. With his ego one could see him duking it out with them ala Jim Dent. Who knows, but the comment got me to thinking………………………Z.
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3IRONS,
Yes you do have a clue, that is assuming you can read…" Elin arrived at the site of Tiger’s two private corporations – ETW Corp and GTW Corp – to gather documents. The Palm Beach Post reported the news and indicated that a wife has access to such documents in the state of Florida in the event of a divorce proceeding."
…now granted, you don’t know specificly what those documents are, but I will personally guarantee you that it was not the children’s birth certificates or Christmas gift receipts. As the title of this article implies, this offers a “clue” to what is going on between Tiger and Elin regarding their possible divorce. No court, it is not a fact, but a clue. B the way, court, you should seriously consider getting one yourself before posting your nonsense!
LOL stub
Michael Breed, The teaching pro hitting golf balls into a screen…yeah great choice Golf Channel. As for “Rich ( hair peice ) Lerner” goes, he had no prior sports or Golf reporting credentials prior to joining TGC. He was a Sales and Marketing Manager for Comcast. Imagine that. Frank Nobilo ahhhh a checkered short run on tour at best for him. Chamblee at least had a fair run on tour and is somewhat balanced with his reporting. Charlie Rymer ? another questionable run on tour for him as well, but at least he’s jolly and somewhat educated with the inner workings of golf, but still a total TW cheerleader. Day 3 of the SBS starts in one hour, wooooo hooooo. I’m headed to the club to play some texas holdem to practice for next weeks Vegas trip and we will have the SBS on minus the volume….jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Did you see the first show with Breed ? They tried to do it outdoors and live…but someone forgot to tell the producers that the sun goes down in the evening, so they were hitting shots that could be seen just about as far as they can be seen into the net. Breed knew it and was cracking up.
Nobilo had a better career as a pro than Chamblee – and Chamblee has turned into Chris Collinsworth. He’s terrific as a third banana who is there to give quick opinions, but the power of the analyst chair has gone to his head.
Rymer, a good Georgia Tech guy, is a GREAT guy…but a nightmare in studio. He’s all over the place. I’m with you and enjoy his “jolly” personality (good word), but he tends to wander.
The problem with xxx Golf Channel is that they got lucky with a few hires and their production staff now thinks that THEY can take anybody, put a mic in their hands and turn them into a great golf broadcaster. The hire of Steve Sands, also not a golf guy – but a naturally good talker and interviewer, is the guy who gave the producers their big heads. Vince Cellinni is another natural as a host and interviewer who knows he doesn’t know golf, but enjoys the game, isn’t intimidated by guys like Faldo, and knows the kind of questions that would make a broadcast work. Most of the rest are former pros who think they are supposed to berate the players, or teaching pros who have no clue what’s going on in a tournament.
Start with a new front office and get rid of the dead weight.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Also,
I think TGC needs to have the coverage broken down more like the networks do. ie. One analyst (perspective) on the 12th and 13th hole, another on the 14th and 15th, and so on. Then have that lightning rod (you like him or you don’t) as the lead analyst. I don’t like Johnny Miller (self-centered wind bag), but he stirs the pot, and he’s polarizing. Golf needs a boost in the coverage sometimes, with the paint drying, and water boiling. TGC has too many studio voices, and not enough on course.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 9, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see that it’s necessary to piss people off just to “stir the pot” as you say. And Miller is the wrong guy to be doing that – the guy stirring the pot should be the host moderating the debate. Unfortunately for xxx Golf Channel, that falls in the lap of Kelly Tilghman, who still thinks she’s supposed to one up Faldo and make cutesy little word plays, or Rich “the human yawn” Lerner.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Hey, Court ...
don’t knock cutesy little wordplays.
by TXQ on Jan 9, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Did Lerner's kids.....
Go sledding on worn hair pieces???
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 9, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions
He left 'em in Orlando
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 9, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nibs,
there ya go again with your “reading problem” I think you really need to get those cataracts taken care of, cause it’s causing you reading problems. 3irns was commenting on the “papers” that were gathered…No place in the article was the AMOUNT of papers mentioned…and no, there were no “clues” as the article mention of the SPECULATED divorce was an aside to the main article…namely she was there to get papers….see, it’s easy when you can read and comprehend at the same time…STUB
STUB,
Please change your moniker to one that fits…idiot/moron come immediately to mind.
Yes, 3IRONS was commenting on the “papers” that were gathered, he said specificly…“I have no clue about what Elin could have been picking up”, and I replied to him, again specificly… “Yes you do have a clue, that is assuming you can read…” Elin arrived at the site of Tiger’s two private corporations – ETW Corp and GTW Corp – to gather documents. The Palm Beach Post reported the news and indicated that a wife has access to such documents in the state of Florida in the event of a divorce proceeding."
…Now that is indeed a clue, and the fact that you even bring up the “AMOUNT of papers” gives us a glimpse into your irrational/illogical mind.
nibs – you are perfecting the art of being wrong based on a correct starting point – nobody is arguing that Elin went to the offices – nobody is arguing that she has the right to gather papers. What IS being argued is that we don’t know WHAT papers she took and we don’t know WHY she took the papers. To conclude that the only reason she would be there doing what she did is for a divorce is speculation at its finest. COULD they be right ? Of course they could. But ARE they right ? We don’t know…and neither do they. News people want to push any story to it’s most fantastic end for the purpose of ratings. Truth and accuracy don’t mean anything when there are ratings points to be had.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
“What IS being argued is that we don’t know WHAT papers she took and we don’t know WHY she took the papers”
Finally we agree, as far as you went there….but the title of this article is “Elin, Jack, and Butch all offer clues to Tiger’s return” and Ryan states in the article…" Elin arrived at the site of Tiger’s two private corporations – ETW Corp and GTW Corp – to gather documents. The Palm Beach Post reported the news and indicated that a wife has access to such documents in the state of Florida in the event of a divorce proceeding."
…now even though we agree that we don’t know what papers she took or why she took them, this most certainly does offer a clue that she is at least contemplating a divorce. Of course this is speculation….since Tiger and Elin haven’t said anything factual, that’s all we possibly can have at this point. What is so wrong about that? NOTHING. You think it’s wrong to speculate but yet you have made about 20 posts in this thread alone…hypocrite, thy name is courtgolf!
And finally, if Tiger/Elin wanted to stop all this speculation all they have to do is come clean with the media and tell the facts; now mind you, they are under no obligation to do so, but unless and until they do so, the media and golf fans are going to speculate.
funny – I’ve said that same thing over and over and over – how come you agree now ? oh well – better late than never.
Good segue back to the headline – none of those three gave a single CLUE as to when Tiger will return.
And if you’ll read…or have someone read them for you…JUST kidding, passing the illiteracy baton back to you…my posts have been about NOT speculating. I didn’t speculate – I said it’s dumb to speculate on things for which you have no evidence.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Funny? But untrue….I have documented how your posts have changed, here’s one examp[le from Jan 9th…
“And I’m not accusing you of illiteracy for not agreeing with me but rather I point out when you apparently can’t read. I even quoted your offending sentence, here it is again from your first post…"except the “legitimate” news company doesn’t actually know what documents were gathered by Elin." And my accusation apparently assisted you because you corrected yourself in this latest post by saying instead…"someone watching Elin walking into an office building to possibly pick up papers which may or may not be connected to a possible divorce." So now you understand, (thanks to me), that the identity of the papers do not matter, but you stubbornly and foolishly persist in your error that Elin picking up these papers does not portend divorce. This is NOT speculation; it is a fact that you are a spectacular fool; someone needs to point that out to you; I am happy to provide that service!"
…that’s what i love about this site, no deletions, everything in black and white. You can’t post your lies/revisionist history(you must be an Obamanite?) without me having access to the evidence to refute you! Let me refute your 2nd paragraph…all 3 of those, just like Ryan’s headline proclaimed, offerred clues as to when TW will return.
And I know full well that you said it’s dumb to speculate(see, I can read!), which is why I said in my first post…
“It seems to be a pattern with you….you don’t want anyone to speculate on anything about Tiger. Since no one, except Tiger and his handlers, know when Tiger will return, anyone else’s opinion will be definition be….wait for it….SPECULATION. It seems like you then don’t want anyone to talk about Tiger, but yet you post your opinion in every thread about Tiger.”
Anything else, court? It seems everything you post in this thread needs correction, but I’m up to the task.
Stub, we are trying to be easy on Nibs
but he makes that so difficult to do when he is stood higher than Nelsons column looking down on everyone here.
I make no apology for being right. Instead of making vague and irrelevant allusions to WWII, of which I never claimed to have any opinion, perhaps you could identify something, anything that I have posted here that is incorrect. I would love to refute you but you make sweeping accusations without any example of where/how I erred. Sort of like your faith, ie. atheism, you have no proof there either but you nevertheless profess an irrational blind faith anyway, at your peril, also I must add(see Pascal’s wager).
Nibs, the WW2 reference..
was to show you how 2 sides could see the same thing differently. An example. Got that ? Good. Now I have no proof there is or is not a God, I just don’t think there is. Clear enough for you ? 1 example how you erred. You never think you do. I think that about covers it.
Takes a breath..
How about you “don’t feel the need to insult, you just like to”…are they not the same thing ? Really man, you need a round of golf in winter where the wind blows and it’s 3 degrees c and a quick swig of whiskey to sharpen you up, lol.
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