VIDEO: Brit Hume Wants to Help Save Tiger's Soul
by turnover on Jan 3, 2010 7:14 PM EST
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PrintAlright, let's say you're an anchor on a cable news channel, and you're asked to offer analysis on a particular current event. It is, after all, your job.
But why analyze when you can evangelize?
From Fox News Sunday:
Brit Hume: The Tiger Woods that emerges, once the news value dies out of this scandal, the extent to which he can recover, it seems to me, rests on his faith. He's said to be a Buddhist.I don't think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that is offered by the Christian faith. So my message to Tiger would be, "Tiger, turn your faith, turn to the Christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world."
For the record - but not that it matters - I am a practicing Christian. And may I just say:
Sweet. Fancy. Moses.
Now, leaving aside any and all theological questions - this is, after all, a golf blog, and I am hardly a theologian - is this what the so-called media has come to where the Tiger story is concerned? It's now up to a member of the media to convert Tiger?
I don't make a habit of concerning myself with the faith - or lack thereof - of famous athletes (or most anyone else for that matter). Woods' infidelity to his wife is none of my business. Whether and what he chooses to believe regarding a higher power is most certainly none of my business.
And it's none of Brit Hume's business, either.
Brit: you work for what is ostensibly a news network. If you want to evangelize, you should see about getting a job with Pat Robertson's outfit.
Oh, and Rupe (Murdoch): one of your biggest names just sought to diminish the faith that, if not practiced by Tiger himself, is certainly practiced by his mother. Good luck on any News Corp. network or publication scoring an interview with Tiger when he returns - or ever again for that matter. He's known to have a long memory.
(Again for the record: I pretty much gave up on network and cable news quite some time ago, because I have zero interest in the lives of Jon and Kate or the octomom or the balloon boy or the ballon boy's idiot father, etc. I'll get my news - and by news, I mean...you know...information about stuff that's actually important - from The Christian Science Monitor and The Economist. And I'll be fine.)
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Are you serious?
This story is taking ridiculous to a whole new level. Do all priests shoot under par by the way? Can’t wait for the GOLF season to re-start
Dare to Dream
RB:
Thanks for the bump, and for embedding the video. I attempted to do so, but my HTML skills are inferior even to my golf swing.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
“I don’t make a habit of concerning myself with the faith – or lack thereof – of famous athletes (or most anyone else for that matter). Woods’ infidelity to his wife is none of my business. Whether and what he chooses to believe regarding a higher power is most certainly none of my business.
And it’s none of Brit Hume’s business, either."
…but yet you make Brit Hume’s faith part of your business. Can you say “hypocrite”?
Where did I make...
…Brit Hume’s faith part of [my] business? I am in no way critical of Hume’s faith, only his use of a supposed news show as a platform to evangelize to a single individual who I can only assume neither sought – nor would necessarily welcome – a public call to conversion.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
DUH…I quoted it in my post!!!! You said…“And it’s none of Brit Hume’s business, either.” Well, actually, as a Christian, it is Brit Hume’s business to be concerned about his brother’s salvation. I was more impressed that Hume actually knew something about Buddhism, I didn’t so I googled it and here’s what I found on the Introduction to Buddhism page.
“The Eightfold Path
1. Right view is the true understanding of the four noble truths.
2. Right aspiration is the true desire to free oneself from attachment, ignorance, and hatefulness.
These two are referred to as prajña, or wisdom.
3. Right speech involves abstaining from lying, gossiping, or hurtful talk.
4. Right action involves abstaining from hurtful behaviors, such as killing, stealing, and careless sex."
Actually, you (turnover) and Tiger have a lot in common, you claim to be not only a Christian, but a practicing Christian, and yet you say it’s none of your business whether Tiger rots in hell or not. And Tiger (apparently) claims to be a Buddhist but yet he excels in lying and careless sex.
The degree to which you've misinterpreted my post(s)...
…would surprise me were it not for the fact that I’m fairly certain that it is/was a willful misinterpretation. And your read as to my concern for the soul of Tiger Woods (or anyone else on this planet) is so off base that I shall not deign to reply.
This post had nothing whatsoever to do with the faith of Brit Hume, Tiger Woods, or myself. This post was about the vanity and folly of using a nationally televised news program as a vehicle for evangelism, especially to a single individual. If you see this as being appropriate, more power to you. Like I said, I find pretty much all television “news” to be little more than odious voyeurism anyway.
But stay tuned, nibs, and keep us to date on the dissolution of celebrity marriages and the efforts of so-called journalists to lead us on the path to righteousness.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
I applaude Brit and his courage to say
what he said. What’s wrong with Brit sharing his faith…..especially when the left wing media and left wing comedians take great pleasure in excoriating Christians. It’s time we quit hiding from our faith…..the Muslims have no problem preaching theirs. Finding the salvation God offers would, in my opinion, be the greatest thing that could happen to him…..Bravo Brit.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
“would surprise me were it not for the fact that I’m fairly certain that it is/was a willful misinterpretation. And your read as to my concern for the soul of Tiger Woods (or anyone else on this planet) is so off base that I shall not deign to reply.”
…he says as he replies….LOL. At least you’re consistent in your hypocrisy!
Three things:
1. The reply button is an awfully convenient tool.
2. As is the blockquote button.
3. Reading comprehension blah, blah, blah.
Since you’ve been here, niblic (and as I recall you were among the refugees who felt as though you were being “censored” by TGC’s blog in the hours following the traffic accident that kicked-off this imbroglio) I’ve seen you insult and harangue virtually every member of this blog community. Now I’ve been here several years now, and while the folks around here disagree with great frequency, rarely have we been out-and-out rude to one another. So what’s up with that?
You also have a habit of posting articles from other sources (yesterday it was a piece from the Daily News) in this thread in their entirety or near-entirety, violating Fair Use statutes. This could cause the folks who run this joint all kinds of headaches and cost them a not-insignificant amount of money.
You might want to brush up on your blogging skills and etiquette, champ.
Take care.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
Note:
The close-parenthesis in the second paragraph of the above post was supposed to have immediately followed the link.
And with regards to Fair Use, I sent the following e-mail to Ryan back on December 3rd:
RB -
This is user “turnover” from Waggle Room.
One or more on the “Tiger scandal” newbies have posted entire articles from other sources. Copyright laws being what they are, you might want to do a post concerning “fair use”.
I write this only out of concern – some media outlets have a reputation of lowering the boom on blogs over copyright issues.
Take care, bro.
Notice, niblic, that didn’t specifically mention you in the e-mail. You were new here and I didn’t want to call anyone out for a mistake folks make all the time.
Ryan wrote a front page post concerning Fair Use shortly thereafter. You might review it, nibs, when you get a chance.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
“So what’s up with that?”…you’ve been rude to me since my very first post….but that’s OK for you.
“You also have a habit of posting articles from other sources (yesterday it was a piece from the Daily News) in this thread in their entirety or near-entirety, violating Fair Use statutes”
….but you can post today’s Fox News Sunday along with a video.
" not-insignificant"….that’s significant for us mere mortals. Turnover, do you even realize what an arrogant, pedantic jackass you are?
I don't recall having been rude to you.
If I was, I apologize.
As for this:
Turnover, do you even realize what an arrogant, pedantic jackass you are?
No, but feel free to tell me all about it any time you wish.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
apology accepted….I’m retired US Navy (plus I golf, therefore I swear) so curses and epitaphs mean little to me.
If you’re honest, I think you would admit that using the term (it’s not even a word) "Not-insignificant, is a tad pedantic
As a practicing Christian myself, I will strive to treat you as you do unto me.
"Not-insignificant."
Yeah, I reckon that’s maybe a little pedantic. I’ve recently been reading a lot of British golf writing from the first half of the last century. I suppose it’s rubbing off on me. (Pretty high-falutin’ for an Alabama boy.)
Have a good evening. I hope you and everyone else on this blog live somewhere where you can hit the links this week. Here in North Alabama, we’ll be lucky to make it above the mid-30s at any point over the next several days, and they’re saying snow on Thursday. Which, suffice it to say, blows.
Take care, sir.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
It supposed to be in the 60’s here in Vegas this week, so hopefully I will get out. I had a friend go back to Bama to play on the Robert Trent Jones trail,,,,he enjoyed it immensely. Roll Tide Roll!!!!!
Roll Tide indeed, my friend.
It ain’t just the weather that’s going to make it a long week around here.
The nervous energy between now and kickoff on Thursday is liable to eat me alive. I’m so proud of this team. The SEC championship game was probably the best four quarters of football I’ve seen ’Bama play since the 92/93 Sugar Bowl. I honestly think the Bear would love this team.
As for the RTJ Trail: quite simply the best thing my home state has done for tourism in my life time.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
Roll Tide Roll. ha.
Nibs is kissin’ up because you called him on the copyright thing…..I wish the Tide would Roll you back to the Navy boat you fell off of…..Just kiddin’ lol. Peace. I’m an Army Man myself.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 3, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
F's and G's.....go read my fan post ......
I’m sure you’ll love it……lol
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
I posted already.......
Man you’re funnier than any conservative i have ever encountered. That was just hilarious……..“hater”…….lol. truly funny.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 3, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be nervous.....I don't see Bama losing
this game. As a LSU and SEC fan, I will be pulling for Bama, despite Saban. Although I’m glad he left here, I surely didn’t want him ending up in freakin’ Alabama…..oh well, enjoy the big game.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
You know I said earlier to em66 in a private email, words to the effect, that it’s amazing how much you can learn about someone just from what he posts here. And then I said I would definitely not want to golf with you(since we were talking about golfing together should he ever get out here). Well, I was dead wrong, I find your attitude to be very refreshing, and I definitely would want to golf with you should you ever get to Vegas.
ps. I had the Gators in the SEC championship…the Tide made a bleeber outta me!
Work on that.....
Dead wrong thing…..You’ve cornered the market on it. You are constantly wrong my man……Stop right there……you were about to type something wrong right then…….Just stop…..lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 3, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Turnover.......Thank you for posting this, as I missed it, but
I am a bit confused at your opinion “about the vanity and folly of using a nationally televised news program as a vehicle for evangelism, especially to a single individual.” I would think that as a “practicing” Christian you would be more concerned that in our great country, founded on Christian principles, by Christians, one or two atheists can effectively boot God out of our lives. It always amazes me that Christians are the first to criticize others who have audacity to share their faith. I say again….Bravo Brit!!!
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
I would think that as a "practicing" Christian…
Why is practicing in quotation marks? Do you think I’m lying to you?
…you would be more concerned that in our great country, founded on Christian principles, by Christians…
Actually, many if not most of the Founding Fathers were Deists. Jefferson even went so far as to rewrite the Gospels, removing all the miracles and healings and anything that could be considered supernatural. His version isn’t for me, but it is what it is.
…one or two atheists can effectively boot God out of our lives.
I’ve never felt as though I was in danger of having God "booted out of [my] life by an atheist or anyone else.
As for my comment relative to the “vanity and folly”, I’ve always liked this quote which is generally attributed to Saint Francis: “Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary.”
But that’s just me.
I’d not intended this post to incite a discussion of religion. I thought Hume’s comments were out-of-place. If he wanted to “witness” to Tiger, I would think it more appropriate to attempt to do so personally. Questioning Tiger’s faith (and that of his mother) on national television – on a non-religious program – seemed to me at minimum unseemly.
Now, had Hume said something to the effect of “I hope he does well and gets his life and family situation squared away – I’ll be praying for him,” I’d have had no qualm with that. Because in some of these situations it’s the best any of us can do.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
No, I don't think you're lying. Its just that
being a practicing Christian is like being somewhat pregnant. I guess it’s ok, but you should only have to say you’re a Christian. Some were deists, but some were Christians and Christians values were part of our founding. I guest you guys in North Alabama still have Christmas Lights and Nativity Scenes and prayer in schools and prayer before your football games, but here in the Bible belt that’s pretty much all gone. We have to live by the rules enacted to make a few atheists happy. It is what it is.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Maybe “active” would’ve been a better word. I don’t know.
My dad always said that as long as teachers give pop quizzes, there will be prayer in schools!
As for the atheists and such, it’s hard to say who I get more irritated with: the militant atheists, who seem to go out of their way to be offended by any display of faith; or the folks like O’Reilly who claim that there’s some sort of “War on Christmas” and set themselves up as righteous “defenders of the faith.” Past a certain point it just seems like a bunch of noise.
But that we talk about these things and periodically fight these battles is I suppose part of the beauty of America.
I guess you can tell I’m pretty middle-of-the-road!
Have a great night. I’m with you all the way on the Saints, what with my Titans having fallen short. (How ’bout 2,000 yds for CJ, though?) Who dat?!
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
second year....
I think, and man is that kid fast. Kind of Reggie Bush with heart…..
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 3, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Second year.
I just hope we don’t run him into the ground too soon, which we have a tendency to do with great RBs.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
He is special. And Reggie is starting to
run a little better…..only took 4 years….lol I think he’ll be gone next year.
Good Night.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Good night.
And rest well with this first round bye!
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
If you want to live in a theocracy you should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. Other than the difference in specific man-made religion, there is no difference between the social setup you advocate and those countries.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
wow – I didn’t know that Brit Hume was an elected official or royalty or anything like that. last time I checked, he wasn’t speaking for the government.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I was responding to em66, who thinks this nation was not founded by people who came here to avoid religious tyranny, not Hume.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
The pilgrims came here to avoid Brit Hume ?? WHO KNEW ?? :-D (just teasing) But there were groups and original states that were built based on a particular Christian denomination. They just didn’t want a church run by the government.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
interestingly enough – that has never really been a problem in this country. There have always been enough people on opposite sides of the issue to keep it from happening.
but you better keep an on on your buddy Barry – he seems to enjoy cozying up to Islamic countries. All that bowing isn’t a good thing.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The problem here is evangelicals who get into government, then try to fit social structures to their biblical interpretation. For example, Jesus Christ was a liberal who believed in helping the impoverished and that the government had a right to tax its citizens, but if you listen to the teabagging wingnuts, he was an anti-government zealot. I would say, leave religion out of government because if you really want to start a fight, combine religion and politics.
My other question for em66 would be, whose version of christianity should the government be modeled on?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
you DO realize that the 10 commandments are in the OLD testament, right ? Aside from a couple of holidays, there is more Judaism in our government than Christianity.
you’ll have to show me where “teabagging wingnuts” have been headed up by evangelistic christians.
isn’t it funny that most of the name calling comes from the left ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
“teabagging” ? “wingnuts” ? I don’t mind the “wingnuts” – but “teabagging” was put out on and by the national media – and I’m more than a little sure that they know what “teabagging” is with Howard Stern just down the street.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
what else would you call a group of people who held up teabags at public events?
I had no idea there was a less-than-virtuous meaning to that term until a month or so ago. Ewwww… Gross…
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Tea PARTY, dear. That was the basis of the idea. Calling someone a “teabagger” is an extremely gross insult.
You’ve known it for a month – admit that it’s disgusting – yet you continue to throw the term around. Nice.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
so, you think i should call an individual a tea party? there are plenty of terms that are perfectly valid that pop culture has applied less-than-savory definitions. that doesn’t make them any less valid when used in mainstream proper context.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
what “individual” are you talking about ? This movement was never about an individual.
And as much as you probably hate to know – it wasn’t a Republican movement, either. Most of the people who were gathering according to their Constitutionally guaranteed right were not pushing a party agenda. These were peaceful protests trying to stop a president who is more than willing to disregard the Constitution he supposedly swore to uphold and protect.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
what would you call an individual participant in a movement. of course they have a constitutionally protected right to assemble in public and petition the government. i, for one, hope they continue to do so.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
you asked if I thought you should call an individual a tea party – no – grammatically, he/she would be a Tea Partier or a Tea Party participant.
Calling someone a “teabagger” is an insult, and it was intended that way by the national media who started using the term because these peaceful demonstrations were against their guy.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Not just an insult...
…a vile insult. Used against people who would have the audacity be so evil as to peaceably voice their displeasure toward the government that is taxing them to death and spending at an alarming rate.
When war protesters camped out in front of Bush’s ranch for months or years it was some noble cause. When other people publicly protest, they’re labeled with disgusting sexual insults. And that’s aside from the fact that the media tried to downplay the whole thing by grossly underestimating the number of people involved.
also, too...
Why do evangelicals insist on calling the US a “christian” nation if there’s more Judaism in government?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
this is true – but what’s the point of taking a small minority of Christians and putting that mark on every Christian ? Not everybody bought into the television evangelist line of crap.
luckily for us – Oral Roberts could never sell his sermons on CD – the holes kept healing up ! (bwaaahahahaaaa) :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
BTW, I just saw on TMZ that Tiger is supposedly staying at the Trump International Hotel in NYC….there are a bunch of photogs stationed there so we may have a picture ot Tiger soon.
Every time I rail on the paparazzi and their behavior...
…I have to check myself and realize that there wouldn’t be a paparazzi were it not for the fact that folks want the pics. Basic supply and demand. And as much as I hate to admit it, I’d like to see a post-accident photo of Tiger about as much as anyone.
God, we’re such a voyeuristic culture, but I suppose we came by it honest: we seem to have inherited it from our British forbears. Hell, their paparazzi make ours look like well-behaved boarding school children by comparison.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
“Actually, many if not most of the Founding Fathers were Deists.”
…it’s pretty hard to defend that statement, but since I’m striving to do unto others, etc., may I introduce you to the marvelously flexible word, “some”, instead of “many of not most”?
“I thought Hume’s comments were out-of-place”…you know I thought so too, but I spent my whole career defending his right to say so. As I found out in my brief search on Buddhism, Hume didn’t know it much better than I did. He could have just advised Tiger to return to his Buddhist faith in order to straighten out his life.
On the first point...
Well taken.
On the second, I would never mean to imply that he didn’t have the right to say whatever he wanted. As far as that goes, that’s between he and his employer (Fox) in this situation.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
The founding fathers......
I have a differing opinion of the fellas, but that’s just me. I am a God fearing American, who is thankful for My Country and what it stands for. I have served my country and my fellow Ameerican. Having said that the founding fathers were in some cases just a bunch of Hypocrites. The premise of forming the Union was to escape the tyranny of Old Queen England. Some of the Quotes Go like this “All men were created equal” Oh yes, very true, except for the Slave Trade which was being used to build the South, and the Mass murder of the Native Americans who were being displaced. I’d just assume we not use Christ, and these people in the same sentence. Deist or whatever, but this country was not founded using Christian principles. Matter of fact, Christians would equate it more to the plight of the children of Israel back in the book of Exodus. Anyway Genocide, and Slavery are not Christian values.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 3, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions
Genocide and Slavery were not the only values, but you do make a point.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Most causes, wars etc..
have used religion to recrute more men to fight for them. Muslims do it now as the West continue to do also. Happy new year, lol
He was asked a question...
…and he gave his answer. He admitted that he doesn’t know anything about Buddhism, which should have tempered his answer, but that was HIS answer.
What bothered me was his absolute conclusion that Woods has lost his family AND his children. To listen to Hume, you’d get the impression that Tiger is the first person on the planet to ever cheat on the wife and that it might as well be put back on the list of death penalty crimes.
Why is it that people think that evangelizing into Islam, or Judaism, or the democrat party ( ;-) that’s for D) is ok , but if someone mentions Christianity, they are the scum of the earth ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
“To listen to Hume, you’d get the impression that Tiger is the first person on the planet to ever cheat on the wife and that it might as well be put back on the list of death penalty crimes.”
…I listened and I didn’t get that impression at all. I’d say that the impression you inferred from Hume’s remarks says more about you (in a negative way) than about Hume.
It was the part about him being so certain that Tiger had lost his family AND children…as I said before. There are a lot of families who have gotten past cheating spouses, who have healed those wounds and gone on to be solid families. Hume’s response sounde, yes – to me, like no families in history have ever gotten past this.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Brit Hume !!!
What a Joke,, Fox News Channel, more like “Fixed News Channel” It’s a bunch of Republicans rambling on about Rush Limbaugh. Reminds me of TGC rambling on and on and on about TW.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Yeah, really...
I think Katie Couric is going to faint next time she’s in the presence of BHO. Nothing like watching a thrill running up Chris Matthew’s leg, as well. I can point to a handful of pundits/journalists exhibiting a conservative perspective while I can point to dozens of pundits/journalists in the bag for the Democratic machine on several different networks and in 90% of the newspapers in the US.
Let’s not pretend that Fox News has some sort of monopoly on living on one side of the political spectrum.
by Double Eagle on Jan 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Stay on Topic
The topic was about Mr. Britt Hume and “Fixed News” not the others that are mentioned here. But I agree, most are agenda based, like Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Mike, Fox is entitled to peddle right-wing talking points. They just shouldn’t call themselves news.
The other cable and broadcast networks make an attempt at staying in the center. I know this because they p*ss me off as much as they do you. Example: The broadcast network Sunday morning talk shows (ABC, CBS, NBC) have more republicans than democrats on and they allow the politicians to blather talking points without being challenged. During the bush years, those same networks still had more republicans than democrats.
You may be mad that Couric asked Palin what newspapers and magazines she reads, but that gets asked of every candidate. The fact that Palin couldn’t name a single newspaper or magazine isn’t Couric’s fault.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
wow – now there’s a left wing perspective for you.
Eagle, I’ve learned my lesson that D is dead set in her ways and reasonable arguments don’t do any good. (last time I tried it – I had to hide out for a week when she sent Guido down to “persuade” me otherwise) :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I have to try
I steered clear of the Obama golf thread, but this is a topic that is critically important to me. Plus, I’m from Jersey, so I probably know Guido.
I never said a word about Palin
Why should I be upset that Sarah Palin was asked questions that she was not prepared to answer? I’m talking about Couric sitting down with the President and doing everything but batting her eyelashes. I’m talking about Chris Matthews saying he had a thrill going up his leg. I’m talking about Keith Olbermann doing whatever it is he calls that which he does.
I can’t speak to all the network morning shows, but I can tell you that the ONLY news broadcast/program/interview show/etc. that I ever felt was truly objective was Meet the Press under the command of Tim Russert. I did not know he was a Democrat until I heard it coming out of his mouth, and it wasn’t on that show.
If you try and take a truly objective view of the news, you’ll see it in the nightly broadcasts and you’ll see it in the newspaper and magazine “journalism”. Yes, Fox News does it in their news desk programming, but so does every other network and most publications in the country and most of them are leaning the other way.
Here’s an example. Take abortion. It doesn’t matter what side of the issue you fall on. Next time you see a news story involving abortion, pay attention to the language they use. If they slant one way, they’ll use the terms “pro-choice” and “anti-abortion”. If they slant the other way, they’ll use the term “pro-life”. The reasoning is simple: pro has a positive connotation and anti has a negative connotation.
These kinds of things are there in any issue you want to name. At best, they simply reveal the underlying biases of those that write the news. At worst, they are subtle attempts to guide policy using loaded language that sways people’s opinions.
Calling out Fox News and pretending that they’re the only ones that do it is a symptom of the sad state of affairs in this country. Objective reporting is just about dead and the networks have become propaganda machines. Studies have shown that a greater number of outlets tend to fall to the left of center, which is why you hear people crying out about the liberal media bias. It’s no worse than a conservative media bias, but in my opinion, it’s a lot more prevalent and it’s disappointing when people pretend it doesn’t exist because they’re hearing the right set of loaded language when they watch the news.
Ahem,,, Dub Eagle
Ahhhhhhh, The article was about FOX (fixed news) and Brit Hume of Fox.. I wasn’t the one that wrote the blog. My personal beliefs have nothing to do with anything. Lemee guess your an angry Republican ? LOL
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Well...
When you said, “It’s a bunch of Republicans rambling on about Rush Limbaugh” I took that as a sign that you weren’t interested in just discussing Hume.
Sounds like someone is angry, but it’s certainly not me.
Anyone ?
Not to get off topic but ,LOLOL..can you name 3 democrats on Fox News ?
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Yes
Alan Colmes has a show and a number of Democrats are regular contributors including Pat Caddell and Geraldine Ferraro. Shall I go on, or have you LOLed yourself enough?
Well done DE, also Bob Beckel(former Mondale campaign manager), Kirsten Powers(who is definitely too pretty to be a Democrat) and Mark Lamont Hill black liberal from Temple(I think) who also appears on CNN
I didn't want to go overboard...
…by also mentioning Juan Williams and new addition Joe Trippi, but in the interest of leaving no doubt, I will.
Fox New is loving the fact that all the other "News" outlets
are in the tank for obaaammmmma. Fox’s ratings have skyrocketed since last year, thank you Barry.
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LOLOLOL
nope I’m not out of LOL’s
niblic, remind me to slap ya uoside the head next week in Vegas.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
We’re not going to get into religion or politics…lol. Rachel has us set up with a couple of her caddies.
OOOOOOO LA LA "Q v Q"
They must be from the Mustang Ranch !!!
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Amen to that.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
W
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 4, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions
WOW….Brit Hume is on the O’Reilly Factor right now discussing this….the O’Reilly Factor repeats in 3 hrs…Hume’s segment started at half past the hour if anyone is interested
O My
Niblic watches O’Reilly and the topic is Tiger….sheeeeesh, 2 more reasons why I don’t watch Fox News. If ya’al must know I usually watch BBC World News America.
I’m not saying a word in Vegas lol
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I don’t understand…you’re obviously interested in Tiger, you’ve made multiple posts here about him over the past 40 days, you’re posting in a thread about Brit Hume and Tiger right now. So when Hume goes on O’Reilly and expounds on his remarks from Sunday Fox News, I would expect you to be interested. For the record, Hume did not back down one little bit; he tried to explain his remarks and he left a better impression in my mind at least. I also googled Hume and Tiger yesterday, and some of the remarks I found online made turnover’s article look tame.
ps. don’t worry jumpn, no politics, no religion in Vegas…just golf and gambling, and of course Rachel’s girls
Fox is what it is
Fox News has a specific narrative into which they try to insert every story. The us-vs-them theme of that narrative, which is clear to anyone who listens a little, comes down to
liberal = bad = anti-Christian = gay = weak = high taxes = hollywood = elite = university = atheist = un-American = Democrat = (etc, the reader can fill in more….)
Hume was simply showing his Fox cred by taking the least political of the juicy stories out there, and attempting to squeeze it into the us-vs-them narrative. Not completely successful, as evidenced by threads such as this one, but a bold attempt nonetheless. Good effort, Brit !
I must have a different Fox News than you do. What I get looks like a game show with the “intense” music and the raised eyebrow with the little munchkin talking head – it’s weak on “news” – but it’s a lot more balanced than the rest of the talking heads. Face it – getting the truth out and doing reporting isn’t exacly high on any network’s list anymore and hasn’t been for several decades since they started basing how good their news was by how “pretty” their talking heads were.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Cementer......best definition of Liberal I've ever seen......pretty much says it all...lol
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Court i agree.......
Cronkite couldn’t be an anchor today…..Didn’t look the part, and that’s what’s wrong….But hell, we elect presidents because their father was president, and we nominate vice presidents because……um They’re cute………Hell we even elected an Actor, who was senile from day one, so i agree it’s not about news, or know how……we’re at the cosmetic counter now……lost.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions
again – check your history – Reagan was the best statesman president we have had in a century – and he wasn’t afraid to take his thoughts around the media…which was W’s great downfall. W was too afraid of what the media would say if he told the truth or said what he thought. Over 8 years, he went from the cornerstone of a recovering country after 9/11 to a pillow fighter afraid of his own shadow.
I notice that you skipped der Slickster and Dear Leader Barry with your “cute” candidates. How often did we have to listen to “man on the street” interviews by the “impartial” media talking about how Barry was going to save the world because he was young and good looking ? Slick Willie behaved like a horny teenager in office – and Barry’s true character is still being ignored…but he’s young.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You mean Nancy....
When you say Reagan right??? lol. Ronald forgot more than he ever knew, and if Dubya had started speaking his mind………well………He’d have been invited on a hunting trip with Cheney……..As to your admiration of the Presidents looks, well ok.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
You are right about Reagan not being scared
to take his thoughts to the media…he understood that part very well…but it was his thoughts that scared a lot of us, lol
really – all those thoughts of people being free to do what they want to do – trying to get kids to stay away from drugs – letting the free market build the economy – building technology.
of course – there are the people who remember one joke and dismiss everything that he did. truly amazing
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
He did some good things..
both he and Thatcher benefitted from being in power at the same time…it was vital we all stood up to the old Soviet Union…but I always got the feeling he was following a script from the invisible boss behind him, which would explain why he got a lot of lines wrong, it wasn’t like he could do another take.
A big green alien, perhaps ? you can say that – but you don’t pay attention to what Chairman Maobama says ? Amazing.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I think it is a rare thing indeed
when one finds a world leader who can think for himself these days..the money it takes to get elected now is obsene, propping up an actor if you like. Ever since 1960 when Kennedy got the better of Nixon on TV, politics would never be the same.
apparently you have the idea that Reagan just woke up one morning on his ranch and decided he would run for president. The man was involved in politics for decades before and held a number of elected positions. He was a very intelligent man who understood the foundations of this country – and he wasn’t like so many of these modern career politicians who think being in office is a career choice. He had a career away from government before he ran for office – unlike the last three democrat presidents.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court......you're saying that being a
community organizer is not a career?…..lol……. Leader of the Acorn Nuts.
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I never really liked Guiliani, but when he gave that speech at the convention where he kind of chuckled and said “community organizer” while making air quotes, I had to laugh.
Hmm...
…he didn’t make air quotes. YouTube is the best. Must’ve been someone else. But the laugh is still the best.
I lived in California
when he was Govenor. I was young at the time, but I remember taxes going through the roof. I also remember he was interviewed in the late ‘60s about Vietnam and said if he was in charge he would have bombed the place even more than Johnson did. I’d say his 2 terms were on a par with his acting career…never in the starring role.
Ah yes – California taxes – such a well run state. let the illegals have whatever they want and make the citizens pay for it all.
Did you sleep through Reagan’s terms in office ? Did you not notice the growth in business ? Did you not notice that the Democrat majority Congress tried to undermine everything he did by spending more than came in.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
He balanced the books for sure
and if look at Britain now, with Labour in charge, Brown has all but made us here bankrupt. Again, I think he and Thatcher benifitted from their time together if you like. They also didn’t have to deal with the crazy inflation in the early ’70’s when the Arabs quadrupled the price of oil and sent the West into recession. I just can’t agree he was the best President in the 20th century…FDR would be my choice. He delt with far more troubles than did most Presidents. Couldn’t be easy sitting between Churchill and Stalin either !
Thank Jimmy Carter for that little trick with the Arabs. Swell guy.
FDR is the guy who started us on this little trip down Statism lane. He started the whole “we live in a democracy” thing – and he started the welfare system and several other “government first” programs that ended up putting a lot of citizens in slavery to the federal government. He was a great morale builder in terrible times – but his short term fixes have turned into long term nightmares.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I recall the Quadrupiling
of oil prices happening in Nixons term…‘73 I think. Apart from peanuts, the only thing about Carter I recall of note was getting Sadat and Begin to sign the treaty. Sometimes short term fixes at the time are nesessary, but FDR could only do what he did within the timeframe he had…and he didn’t live to see that out in any case.
got your years mixed up. the gas lines were compliments of Carter. And we saw how well that treaty went over.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
court......didn't Nixon put in the 55mph in 73 or 74
because of the “energy crisis”…….I’m thinking that happen the year I got married….. remember the long lines at the gas pumps and gasoline went from about 35cents to over $1 overnight……I could be wrong.
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no – you’re right about that – we had a fuel problem because we stood with our ally Israel during the war instead of bowing to the Arab states. Don’t remember gas prices that exactly. Nixon also took us off the gold standard.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Here's a chart
http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Oil/Gasoline_inflation_chart.htm
There was an increase resulting from the Arab/Israel war, but the real spike started in the Carter years.
yes, but
Carter inherited mass inflation as a direct result of the oil price rise in ’73. Inflation here in Britain peaked to 28 % in ’76 from the fall out. I am not a supporter of Carter, but those are the facts and he came to power in ’76
It was '73 em...
as a result of the Israeli-Arab war of the same year…the Arabs quadrupled the price of oil in reply to the West’s support of Israel
As for Carter.......He was from Georgia,
but a real waste of skin. 21% interest, 14% unemployment……..a weasel and coward….how in the world he got elected is unbelievable and only exceeded by the election of Obammmmma……14 months experience as a Senator and most of that spent campaigning……oh, that’s right….community organizer…..lol lol
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Court......Very well stated. I know you live
in the South, as I do. Here we see generational welfare that is heartbreaking. People that have lived and died and never earned a penny, but depended on Uncle Sam to survive their entire lives. And sadly they think the Democrats are helping them……very, very sad.
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I'd like to think Cronkite
would have the class to rise above the requirement to look good on TV…he was the greatest.
Court....That's because Sick Willie and Barry are
“zero’s”……There is absolutely nothing positive to talk about with them. Have noticed how scared the libs are of Palin……I’m not the biggest fan of her’s, but I do love her tenacity, and as I said, she scares the crap out of the libs.
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Scared of Palin....
Wow….President Palin…..Ok. Please keep posting. Please.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tenacity.....
True conversation: McCain: “Put that on” Palin: “no” McCain: “right now” Palin: “do i hav ta” McCain: “don’t make me repeat myself again” Palin: “Gosh darndet i’m a gubanah” McCain: “Don’t speak to the press” Palin: “I never talk to my iron” McCain: ??? Palin: “How’s my hair” McCain: “I’m too old for this” Palin: “So i need a more traditional look” McCain: “Shut Up”…..Now does that sound tenacious, or presidential in the least? Please stop now. The republicans have lost their minds, and their way. Palin….OMG.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions
Court.....ever notice how they attack those they fear the most....
Palin and Limbaugh…..if they weren’t afraid they’d just ignore them instead of trying to destroy them……..
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very true – Limbaugh has millions of listeners as well as the hundreds of other conservative talk shows that have spun off from him.
Liberal talk radio has to resort to government strong arm tactics to force stations to carry liberal radio, or force tax payers to fund them on “public” broadcasting networks.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Limbaugh/Palin
Campaign slogan: Tizzy & Dizzy……You pick who’s who. Palin is now the proud subscriber of……………the Six Pack Times………Rush is busy Meditating er…..Medicating…..Yes i am very afraid. Very. lol…….
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I must say !!!
The shoe’s being thrown at G. Dubya was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen having to do with a president. Having spent 11 years in the boxing ring myself, I will say that his bobbing and weaving technique wasn’t bad overall. You gotta admit ,Dubya wasn’t exactly the sharpest saw in the shed. “Mission Accomplished” ??? LOL “Bring it On” stupid statement that was. Ok back to golf. Kapalua ooooooooo’h yeah day after tomorrow. I’m entered into the “hall of fame” , I mean, "fantasy golf’ I’m gonna kick some butt and take names. Next week I’’ll be reporting live from Las Vegas a/k/a Niblicville.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn.....I have to disagree with you on this.....
they didn’t throw the shoe at “W”, but at the President of the United States. As much as I dislike Barry, I would be just as appalled at that attack if it were at him, no matter how mild it seems. As for sharpest saw……ever hear Barry try to talk without his teleprompter……duh…..lol
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Is Barry Obama ?
Well em , no worries,, Dubya couldn’t speak “WITH” a teleprompter
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
But when Barry pulls out the teleprompter – what does he say ? He’s the high school president making promises he can’t keep…problem is, he can cause a lot of bad things to happen.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Pulls it out?????? He freakin sleeps with it......how else
would he be able to say “good morning” to his wife…..lol
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now THERE'S a video I wish I knew how to make...
…Clevon Little as the sheriff of Rock Ridge on the podium giving the famous line, " ‘scuse me while I whip this out." with Barry O’s face. :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Have you notice that Nib's has been
kinda quiet the last few days……..I hear he’s out practicing for your match…..we want a hole,…play by play report….lol
(I’m crossing out the words that might be offensive)
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Now jumpn/progolf says he will be too busy to golf….just as well for me because I hate to play in the cold. I’ve been here but nothing much to comment about….I did post the report that there’s a TW sex tape out there now….the woman is negotiating a payday
Easingwold,
1977…Silver Jubilee….took our clubs and played at Dunfermline, a little bit outside Edinburgh….shandy at the 19th, Yeoman 2nd class Jones played with me(but I can’t remember what I had for breakfast this morning)
I was in Portsmouth that week for the Queens review
on HMS Cleopatra…great times. Didn’t play golf then…wish I had.
I will be there !!!
But meetings and dinners are cramping my week in Vegas. Maybe Nibs and I can compete on one of those Golf Video Games. LOL We will take pictures for sure.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
The shoe thrower, well.....
He was trying to knock some sense into dubya…Alas, dubya would have none of it……As they say Ignorance is bliss……lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions
Yeah......You are the Poster Child......
so how’s all that bliss working for you???? lol
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LMMFAOOOOOOOO
F&G’s once in a while you do surprise me with a funny.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
what about Reaganomics
That was never good, O’h well I switched over to the Independant Party years ago.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Reaganomics not good.........what part of
lower taxes, incredibly lower interest rates, and lower unemployment…..better quality of life, welfare reform……is never good?? lol lol …… I’m thinking of switching to the Independent Party because the Repubs have abandoned Reagan conservatism. Oh well.
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Jumpn.......I forgot to run that
last post by Ping to get his approval…..hope you weren’t offended…..lol lol lol
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Thats it !!!
I quit, I can’t take any more of this abuse. I think I’ll just head up to Gary, Indiana and dig a big bunker and get ready for Armagedon in 2012. Hmmmm bunker ? I could practice my sand saves. buahaha
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Jumpn.....You can't dig nuttin right now......the grounds frozen.....and if you
dig a hole in Florida it will fill up with water….Man you’re screwed, I mean ahh…messed up…..lol
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Ya know why ?
Cavemen dragged woman by the hair ? Cause if they dragged them by the ankles they would fill up with sand and rocks. jes sayin
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Twubble but no Danger.
Listen “poopy pants” don’t start with me or I’ll tell your Mom to start using Generic Brand Daipers. hehehehe Ok I gotta head home before golf balls start falling on my head…jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
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