Monty Thinks Tiger's Mystique Is Gone and the Ryder Cup is a Major
by ChicagoDuffer on Jan 3, 2010 2:12 PM EST
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According to the Canadian Press, Monty is predicting that the return of Tiger Woods (whenever that ends up being) will be one that sees the world's number one golfer struggle and fail to reach "iconic status" once again:
Colin Montgomerie believes Tiger Woods will return from his marital problems to win more majors but says he won't be the iconic player who dominated golf for the past decade. Woods has taken an indefinite leave from the game after admitting to infidelity. Europe's Ryder Cup captain told BBC Radio on Sunday that he had no doubt Woods would come back and add to his 14 majors, but said his mystique had now gone.
Thatta boy Monty, way to kick a guy when he's down! I always thought you had very little tact when it came to these sorts of things (especially when it involved an American golfer), but you've surprised even me once again.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - you are also this year's European Ryder Cup Captain!
European Ryder Cup captain Colin Montgomerie said winning the 2010 team event would be like capturing the major title that has always eluded him. The 46-year-old Briton has been a major championship runner-up five times and often labelled as one of the best golfers never to have won the British or U.S. Opens, the U.S. Masters or U.S. PGA.
"It (the Ryder Cup) has been a major part of my career and my life and hopefully the result goes our way and it will be my own major, albeit without hitting a golf shot," Montgomerie said in an interview with Sky Sports.
"You can't be a runner-up at the Ryder Cup. Winning it would be the icing on the cake of my career, my so-called major win."
Wow. So let me get this straight. Europe winning the Ryder Cup under your watch will be the same as you winning an individual honor of the greatest degree in your sport. So you basically just stated that this team of talented players are all out there to win this Cup for you only? Because you couldn't play well enough to win a tournament for yourself? Great team chemistry, Monty. Well played.
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CD – I think you’re just looking for things to be picky about with this one.
He says that Tiger WILL return and WILL continue to win and WILL continue to win majors – but he thinks that this mess has affected how people look at him. How is ANY of that wrong or out of line ? Some of the shine HAS come off of Tiger.
And what’s wrong with a captain talking like a captain ? The Ryder Cup HAS always been huge for him – and if he wants to get sentimental about how winning it as a captain – what’s wrong with that ? What he’s saying is that he knows his window to win a major is pretty much over…though I’m surprised anybody would say that after what Tom Watson did this year and Greg Norman did last year.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 3, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly...
..and please, do correct me if I am mistaken… but when has a Ryder Cup captain taking an individual success outlook on the Cup ever a good thing? The Captains never even hit a ball during these things, yet Monty has decided to chalk this potential win as high individual honor? Wow Monty, you made some good pairings. Way to go.
Adam Fonseca
by ChicagoDuffer on Jan 3, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to...
try to understand, for some the Ryder Cup is the pinnicle. Yes, Monty should have won a few majors, but he falls into the Torrance bracket about the Ryder Cup. McGinley falls into the same mould. They can’t win a major, so for them, this is the next best thing. As for what Monty said about Tiger, he is dead on the money. As for kicking a man when he is down (Tiger), well he deserves it and a few more. Only the Golf Channel would embrace him as though nothing has happened.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There have been playing captains in the past – not recently, of course. Don’t forget, there was a good bit of talk of Azinger trying to become a playing captain.
And even though he didn’t say it out loud like Azinger, how can you doubt for a second that he had every intention of injecting himself into as much of the action as possible ? Interviews were all about what HE was doing and had done with his ground breaking organization system.
Monty does have a big mouth and a big ego – but getting angry at something like this ? seems like a waste of time.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but Court,
while I agree with the rest of your post (I’m such a push over) I don’t as regards Tom and Greg…Yes, Monti has game, but I don’t believe in the same league as the other two guys…Monti has always beat the drum for the Euros, and has never made a secret of it…I admire his candor, but his lack of timing does him in…Is this something that the Scots and Australians have in common???…STUB
by thinker on Jan 3, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean – I was speaking strictly about age. Monty is still pretty straight and that counts for a lot on an Open course.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Monty
never really had the game for the Open…or do you mean the US Open ? Sorry, we Brits are a bit like that, lol
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure he didn’t have the game for The Open ? He clearly didn’t have the NERVE to win The Open, but he grew up playing links golf. He knows how – he just didn’t perform.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Monty himself
always said a US Open was his best chance to win a major. Monty has never really played well on links. Apart from 8th in ’94 and 2nd in ’95 he has never been in the top ten, also missing 10 cuts. He plays more like an American would at home tee to green, lacking the imagination of say a Faldo or Seve on links.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah – but he was STRAIGHT ! (lol) I always got a kick out of Monty going on and on about how straight he was, then found himself in trouble in the rough to kill his chances to win. You just don’t tempt the golf gods like that.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bloody Hell!
First time I have TOTALLY agreed with Court’s comments.
BTW I’m not Monty’s greatest fan by any means and I did send a message of congrats. to Pavin on his appointment and got a really lovely DM from him in return.
by WendyUK on Jan 3, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Although CD's headline is on-target
Just not what follows.
by WendyUK on Jan 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really....
What Monty has already done in the Ryder should count as a major to him. He has been a playing leader on winning teams, and is considered one of the greatest Players in Ryder cup history. This comment he makes about winning as a captain being like winning a major sounds strange, but his play in the cup showed it’s importance to him. His statement about Tiger is true, and not out of line. So i’m willing to give old Monty a pass on this one, although i’ll be rooting for the other side.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 4, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is also the fact
that it means more to Europeans to beat the big boys across the pond than the other way round. Some ( not all ) Americans don’t rate it much and who could forget O’ Meara wanting to get paid for it. It was enough for Europeans to be on the team. American players only seem to care when they have been beaten a few times.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that except that the US had their hats handed to them for more than a decade before the last win over here. Now the boys in red, white, and blue have to consolidate the win. The Ryder Cup is a big thing over here – we just don’t have the cool songs to cheer our team on.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Court, too...
and I’m not just saying that because it’s what I think he wants to hear.
Haven’t we had enough negativity in golf to last a season or two?
I write about golf at www.tees2greens.com, too.
by red tees on Jan 4, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Monty is correct.
For the Euro’s the RC is in the same league as a Major, from their perspective. They are entitled to that. As for Woods mystique being vanquished, I’d say that too is correct. Watching any clips of Woods recently , I’m seeing things in a different light. Anybody else ? I know that many of my assosciates still Tourin’ haven’t thought much of him for a few years. Perhaps they were privy to some of his “dark secrets” before the dam burst, so to speak. Oddly, most were non-Americans as I recall. Interesting………………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 4, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tiger’s public image mystique is damaged – but I think it’s a big mistake to equate his family life with how he deals with things inside the ropes. The guys who underestimate his desire to break records and win tournaments are going to regret thinking that way. The record books don’t care what other people think of him – they just count up to 19.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Family life vs Golf ?
Whaddya think Tiger covets most ? As for what people think of him,…perhaps that question should be put to Barry Bonds too ! He’s fallen off the planet faster than underwear off a Tiger bimbo ! Homerun King,..absolutely, but you never hear him or see him on any of the talk shows. Major League baseball has all but disowned him. Could that await Woods ???,….depends how much more dirt they find. If he was into performance enhancing substances,….ooooh shoot dude, I don’t want to even go there. But there have been whispers about it for years………………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 irons,
won’t Fincham and co close ranks around him ? After all, they are paranoid golf will die without him, not to mention their wallets.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EZ
I should think they would. What troubles me is if what we have seen is only the tip of the iceberg ? If that’s the case then “all the Kings horses, and all the King’s men…..etc.” Tiger would have to come clean about everything in order to supress the chaos. Should some dirt diggin’ sleaze mag, uncover additional mis-deeds, I ‘d hate to be in Finchems shoes. Let’s hope there’s no steroids or illigitimate children or battered bimbos or fixed betting or God knows what else ! This is already a nightmare for pro-golf. Who knows what else he’s been dipping into?
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happens, it's clear to me that..
Tiger’s idol days are long gone. They may not sink to the Barry Bonds level, but I don’t see how he can repair whats happened. As you have said, Golf is not the NBA, so he is judged is a less forgiving sport. Where else would one call a foul on himself ? It’s a shame Tiger didn’t think about this when he got married.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes especially......
since we really don’t know how much of this dirt will stick anyway. I’m surprised at how much credence people have given to pointless rags like the “enquirer”, “star”, and TMZ……Who watches TMZWho quotes the enquirer Now i hear people who have been looking trough trash for years hoping TW to fail on any level. “Let’s hope there’s no steroids, or illegitimate children, or battered bimbos, or fixed betting”. Really? i think you’ve been hoping for these things all along. But i will give you the fixed betting thing. TW probably has been betting on himself the whole time. You guys………Sad.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 4, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick reminder...
…we’re talking about marital infidelity – not outright cheating the game like Bonds did. There isn’t a wing in the hall of fame for faithful to their family golfers and a wing for unfaithful golfers.
Bonds had to rely on owners offering him contracts for him to be able to play major league baseball. Woods is exempt for life on the PGA Tour…unless, of course, he does something stupid that undermines the integrity of the game.
Of COURSE there have been whispers. The guy on top is always “suspicious” for one thing or another – it makes the “haters” feel better about themselves. How could he be winning like that ? He HAS to be cheating…right ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah,....only marital infidelity !
Which will only piss-off almost every female product consumer. Ya gettin the AT&T & Accenture game plan yet ? Infidelity is all we know for certain. Then there’s the Canadian Doctor making house calls. That’s more than a whisper ! Then of course there’s the relaible Tour grapevine. I remember back when Arnie and Jack took a guy named Jack Renner aside and told him that if he didn’t clean up his act (coke) that they;‘d turn him in. He did, and went on to have a descent career. How do I know this???,…Renner confirmed the same years later during my Nationwide days. He’ said Jack and Arnold weren’t f-uckin’ around either ! He also credits them with saving his life as he was headed down a very dark alley. Sooo,…whispers ?.., yah there have been a few. I hope somebody has/will sit Woods ass down and tell him the facts of life as seen from the PGA Tour. Let’s hope there’s nothing more lurid, because that’d pretty much spell the end of his career. It;s repairable as it is, but only if Woods does a complete 180* and accepts what he must do. Otherwise ?…he’s done ! As a golf fan, I’d hate to see what that would do to the game..
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 4, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would have the balls to tell Woods ?
I’m trying to think of someone who Tiger might respect. Jack or Arnie would fit the bill, but they seem far too diplomatic these days. Any suggestions ?
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m checking through the record books…I just don’t see any tournaments that give lower scores for marital fidelity or add strokes for cheating on the wife. Checked the rules of golf….USGA and R&A…nothing there either. Sponsors don’t get to add or subrtract shots based on product placement and sales.
Yes – cheating on the wife is bad – but it doesn’t break the rules of the game or the laws of the land.
The DOCTOR is under investigation – not Woods.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Tiger is a media monster..
and has helped make him richer than any sportsman in history, he is being judged accordanly…fairness really won’t come into it.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“media monster” ?
so you’re saying that a person’s wealth is what makes something fair or unfair ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no,
I’m saying because he made his millions from fame and fueled by the media, that same media on a very large scale will take an interest…if you or I won a million on the lottery, no one would give us a second glance. But I would buy you a lot of drinks !
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well – he made his millions based on his success as a golfer – he isn’t Paris Hilton.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
but he made it ( money and fame) because the public and the media was interested in him…and when it goes sour those same people will judge him. Old Tom Morris didn’t have that problem or the money that went with it.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
once again – you’ve run rings around me logically
BURMA !!!
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
ok, we got tangled up there a bit..I can see you are trying to seperate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the cheating husband…but I doubt the circus will allow that happen.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The media circus isn’t allowed inside the ropes – if the gallery gets out of hand, they are showed the gate – so yes – I am saying that Tiger will be able to concentrate on the game and will deal with the nonsense later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1ccguXiws&feature=related
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be
watched by many on his return this time…I hope the crowd can remember to behave themselves…could be embarrassing.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
It sure will have new meaning to the yelling of “Get in the Hole” jes sayin.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
by progolf on Jan 4, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys...
I come here for a good laugh….U never dissapoint. lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
it didn’t hit with me untill I clicked the link….then I remembered…do we get that bad ? :)
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we can’t always remember ALL those great sketches :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the debate and the laughs
I’m off to bed now, but niblic should watch that clip soon, lol…see you later :)
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
check for penguin eggs before turning in
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The media
is covering this to profit off it, not to get back at Tiger or try and judge him. They’re all about chasing ratings, and Tiger produces ratings like no other golfer in history; whether it’s negative coverage or positive does not matter to their ratings number.
Roll Tide !!
by tigerhead on Jan 4, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Infidelity is not against the Rules of golf.
However, even the most voyeuristic individual would have to concede that 14 bimbo’s is clearly out of a line . Especially in view of the “squeaky clean” image promoted by his sponsors. People don’t like to be lied to, and Woods will face an army of irate golf fans who will not forget, a court of public opinion if you will. Sponsors are hard for the Tour to come by these days, and Woods just threw the Tour an anvil vs a life jacket. Given TW’s own sponsors jumpin’ ship, I ‘d think it will be a herculean task for Finchem to attract new Tour sponsors due to the imoral personal image ,Woods now projects. Corps. answer to their stockholders, and consumers impact the Corp. bottom line. Given the Corps. distancing themselves from Woods, I’d say that the voices of stockholders/consumers has been heard loud and clear by the CEO’s . Finchem will most assuredly be hard pressed to earn his $$$ in 2010, and it will not be a surprise if an event or two is eliminated or perhaps a new sponsor steps in but at a significant reduction in prize money. If people believe Woods brought the $$$ increase, then most assuredly he will be credited with any $$$ decreases. Cuts both ways…………………Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“People don’t like to be lied to, and Woods will face an army of irate golf fans who will not forget, a court of public opinion”
…well that’s more like it, 3IRONS….just about a week ago you said and I quote…“but Tiger Woods only duped those who refused to accept the truth”. I asked you then “what truth did I refuse to accept?”, but you never answered. At least now you are revising what you said and now you are saying the truth, even if you can’t admit that you were wrong!
by niblic on Jan 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nibs
Perhaps my truth differed from most. Experiencing TW away from the camera’s gave me the impression he was a phony, and an actor,… and a bad one at that. That was my truth which he reinforced almost every time I listened to an interview or read anything about him. He never “duped” myself nor others who had access to him away from the spotlight. He was just a strange guy, may a little introverted, I dunno. But everything about the guy seemed choreographed. I said many times, that if Jack Nicklaus never existed, Tiger would have had to make him up, just to validate who TW is,….a guy chasing Nicklaus. But who was Tiger Woods ??? I mean really, most people had no clue, including myself. But I could tell you with dead certainty, he wasn’t the guy the media, with Nike’s help,was shoving down consumers throats. It was there for all to see, but very few asked the questions to access the truth. Granted it would have been difficult, but many,…and I mean scores inside the game just knew something didn’t add up. When you’ve been in the game long enough, some things are just instinctive. He set my radar off, as being a fake and unfortunately it was worse than I could have possibly imagined. But if you were paying attention, a reasonable person should have caught on. Unfortunately, most viewed him as a rock star , and the truth got lost in glare. IMHO………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 5, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a fair assessment, 3 irons...
Like I said before, a good way think of him is to see how he relates to fans, ie common people if you like. Some say would he go on Oprah to make it up with the public, but when he talks to the mike, he does it like Oprah…almost a script, like his dad trained him to do a press conference, not be himself at all. Of course, some here would say we should be judging Tiger the golfer, but thanks to his actions away from golf, he has forced us to look at Tiger the man. If his best mates were Jordan ,Barkley and co, he would only know people who distance the public because of their fame, and not really be able to interact with fans whatsoever.
by Easingwold on Jan 6, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
Tiger’s inability, or unwillingness to speak to the golfing community, the public, and his fans, has allowed non-media entities to paint this undocumented picture of his activities. By his remaining silent, his name, and more alarmingly, his family has been dragged through the mud. Maybe, he couldn’t have doused the flames, but his silence has fanned them. I have only heard proof of one mistress, but the tabloids and rags have the number up in the teens……..By his silence, they have free run to say whatever they want…….The public hears the rags side, and no reply, so they go with what they hear. Can’t blame ’em, although citing anyone of these sources is shaky at best. I say again, Go on Letterman, similiar problems, and not as serious as HARPO, Tell the truth, laugh, Move on. In the end Tiger Woods is a golfer. All he ever really was. For people to condemn the man based on the Natiional Enquirer, Star, and TMZ makes me think that they wanted to condemn him anyway. We all know he cheated on his wife. Bad yes, Crime no. But we the public, and us Golf fans, have behaved very badly in the aftermath. Here Sin begat Sin.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 6, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Letterman?? Laugh??? Move on????.....
Yeah, like that will work. Just what people want to see is Tiger laughing about this mess…….but you are correct, "his family has been dragged through the mud……with Tiger doing the dragging. As for the fan bad behavior…..just a lot of people expressing their frustration with this arrogant prima donna.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
by em66 on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see why Letterman might be a good choice,
to try to defuse the situation, and perhaps defend himself. But in his case, silence might be the best way…yes, they continue to speculate and the vultures are circling. But if he does take a year off, many of the might just get bored of it all…some might even feel sorry for him.
by Easingwold on Jan 6, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But tomorrow
The season begins, yippee eee……….I like Ogilvy’s mindset. He says Now’s my chance. Someone needs to seize the day, and pounce. then when the big cat returns, look him in the eye, and say it’s mine now..You have to take it. That would be good. Maybe even great…
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 6, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I hate it when I agree with you.......but
just on this one post…..so don’t get all carried away…..lol
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
by em66 on Jan 6, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Common ground....
All i want is great golf, and serious competition. I AM a golf fan, but if i want good golf, i’ll gather a foursome, and we’ll have a good game. “these guys are good” doesn’t get me fired up. I want great. I want Y.E. Yang winning with great and memorable shots. I want the Young Guns to earn their fame. I’m not giving anyone anything. Earn your keep, and your fame. Praise will follow. A sweet swing is nothing without guts, and grit. Give me sandpaper, plenty of grit.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soooo.............you had to love Yang's
great shots on Sunday, in front of Tiger…..especially the hybrid on 18…..spectacular shot!!
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
by em66 on Jan 7, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most definitely,
He faced the best, and made great shots, and Won. Sandpaper. This is what most of these Rich, spoiled, pre-madonna’s lack. Sunday, in the heat, they melt, and just cash a losers check. Don’t forget the chip in that Yang had either….Sandpaper. Grit.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sooooo.....
You’re saying that If Tiger left for whatever reason, that it would be a death nil for the Tour, atleast in America. Most of the posters here would disagree. They say um….Good Riddance…..They say Golf was here before, and will be here after….Hell, you say he’s not professional anyway. Well if the money dwindles will the professionals stay? You know, the “good guys” You yourself think that professionalism is much more than cashing a check anyway right?? “These guys are good” right? Someone will step up, right? Phil, right Here’s the ugly truth…..You want Tiger to repair himself, and get back, because you need him…..Admit it…..It’s a selfish notion based on the fact that, i never liked the guy, but he sure was good for business…those actually tied to the business need Tiger. That includes the “good guys”.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Tiger leaves,...the purses may fall,....for a time.
But his demise won’t kill professional golf. The money may diminsh for a time, on a world wide basis, but guys are always gonna chase the dream. The game didn’t die when Arnold left, nor Jack, nor anybody. Why,…because there were many who continued to chase the dream, and there always will be,…even if it is for less money for a period. I really couldn’t give a damn about a skunk like Woods returning to golf or not. As a husband and a father, I’d hope he was brought up right and will try to mend his ways. But I’m not betting on it happening. Guys in the business need a good prduct to be affiliated with, and right now Tiger is bad for business. Tiger had minimal impact on my small corner of professional golf, as we haven’t carried Nike for 10 years. Does he bring new people into the game ? I think so. Do they but equipment other than Nike ? Of course. Nike isn’t nearly the player in equipment like Titleist,Ping,Calloway,or Taylor Made.So your FACTS are nothing more than illusion. A professional Tiger is good for golf, and personally, he may impact my bottom line minimally, if at all. As I said,….Nike isn’t really a force in the equipment arena. On Tour,..there are lots of new faces every year.Younger, stronger and talented. Tiger,…he just turned 34, is on hiatus and will be another year older . As good as he was, those days are gone. Still a good draw, but now for all the wrong reasons. I wonder what the bimbo count will be at his first event back ? LMAO I can tell you this, the gals that follow the Tour are usually stunning. Young Mr. Fowler had 3 body guards here at the Frys in Dec. He needed them too. The Tour will survive ,with or without Woods, just as it always has. Economies change and eventually Corp. America will be back because golf (,scandal free), is good for their business …………………….Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
by 3IRONS on Jan 5, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From a European point of view,
I’d guess Tiger is admired more than idolised, he isn’t one of ours so to speak. Sometimes that can make one more objective than “fringe fans” of Tiger, if I can borrow that phrase.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(I don’t know about borrowing the phrase, but I believe it can be rented at a reasonable rate) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 4, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CD,
You definitely have a way with words…fourth grade level.
by niblic on Jan 4, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for reading!
Adam Fonseca
by ChicagoDuffer on Jan 5, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Monty
Heck, At least Monty has the nuts to speak out about things and I mean a lot of things. I had the pleasure of spending a little time with Monty in 2009 and he has waaaay more things to say off camera than on as do a lot of players.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
by progolf on Jan 4, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Saw Monty do a clinic
He was funny, had a lot of charm and won many fans that day.
by Easingwold on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could it be....
That the Euros anemic showings in the Majors excluding Paddy, has forced them to concentrate on the team event. I mean it’s like i can’t beat (him) them, so we’ll get ‘em. The RC has become the SuperBowl to them, and now that has rubbed off on the Red White and Blue. Monty’s statement will stoke the fire, and that’s good. Also, Could it be also that Monty is applying the needle to Woods, because he has seen the wrath of the “cat” on-course. I admire Monty for his ongoing candor, and his willingness to speak to this situation. Atleast he’s not scared to speak!!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 4, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Euros desire
to beat the Americans goes way back. Of course, GB and Ireland couldn’t really compete with the US on their own, the Jack suggested them to form as Europe. During the war, when Americans were based here in the UK there was a saying, “over sexed, over paid and over here”…there was a certain element who didn’t like the idea of “yanks” over here, though of course, we couldn’t have won the war without them. I personally think we in the west are much the same, but America being so big, and isolated isn’t exposed to so many cultures as we are here in Europe. We tend to be a little more aware of these things, when Americans can come across brash. Then there was Seve. Beaman tried to limit Seve playing in the US from going back to Europe when it suited him, thus Seve became very anti American as far as the PGA was run. Here was one of the best players in the world at the time as he took it very persoanlly. When Europe finally got going, ( Europe were winning most of the majors by now) Seve was the fire that lit the fuse, backed by Jacklin, who was not shy in trying to beat the “big boys from across the pond” and that emotion has carried on ever since. The fact that most of the teams play much more together now in the US dosn’t seem to have changed that.
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 8:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is there resentment.......
for Tiger over there, because he never officially joined the Euro Tour, even though he has won over thirty Tour events? What with the Majors, and WGC’s. Or do you think he could officially join that tour, and in doing so show the Americans that the PGA Tour isn’t the only game in town? If i were he this would be a direction i would definitely consider. If his wife is truly leaving, and going back to Sweden, he’d be closer to his kids, and he would cripple the US Tour, which despite the denial some of these posters are living in, NEEDS HIM. Yes I’d leave if i was him, apply for citizenship, and just torment the US Tour. I’d even captain the Euro Ryder cup team and have Monty as my assistant…….Oh the Irony…….Hunh……..“Honey wake up”……..oh, ok……um where was I…….Two More days……..Whew!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
come on F&G – he can’t move to Europe – just imagine what that North Sea weather would do to the yacht ! :-)
How many non-majors and non-WGC’s has Tiger won with the Euro Tour tag on them ? I only count 7 – including 3 Deutchebanks when it was in Germany and 2 Dubai Desert Classics. He has a lot of crossover wins that count on both tours – but only a handful that were just Euro Tour.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 5, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No resentment that I have heard of
We expect some of our younger players to join the PGA chasing the money and the ranking points, but can’t think of any reason why TW would join the Euro Tour or that we have ever expected him to. We’re pretty pragmatic like that. It’s easier for the European players (especially as most have English as their second language anyway) to settle in the States, than for Americans to adapt to all the different European countries.
I would be surprised if that Swedish island is anything other than a holiday home (and/or a bolt-hole for a while). I’m getting a little worried about your daydreams though;o)
by WendyUK on Jan 5, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wendy....be nice.lol.
I’m just stirring the pot a little. But if he set sail for Europe. I think the money, and the boys might follow. Then the “we’re better off without him” crowd aka. “true golf fans” would be put to the test. They’ve already vowed not to watch TGC, so they would have to support a year long version of the “fall series” this would be great.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen
So anything without Tigger equates to fall series? You’re grounded!
by WendyUK on Jan 5, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't be the only
Defector. It’s a money game now. Rory is coming to the US for money. Now if the money is suddenly in Europe. The US tour loses relevance, and voila….The tour loses stature. Look at the worry exhibited here there’s already a scramble (sorry) for money and sponsors stateside. Last year they spoke of a Golf “bailout” aka Woods. Now it’s even more bleak….
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really curious – what is it about the European economy that thinks there will be that kind of expansion of purses ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 5, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All the top players are millionaires already...
If the best played in Europe then thats where the compitition is…sponsors would follow because thats where TV would be. Rory knows he has talent..he can go either way, like Clarke, a fine player, millionaire, or Faldo 6 time major winner, legend, and millionaire also. The players that just play for money lack the guts, drive and dedication to win majors, they are happy with their top 10 finishes in a game when losing still makes you rich.
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the cart goes before the horse
that’s not how it works. players go where the money is – not the other way around.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 5, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Money is a draw..
But if Tiger went to Europe, do you think Rory would go to the states for the bigger purses if Europe couldn’t outdo the PGA tour on the money side ?
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No,
there is no resentment. Everyone knows the PGA tour has the best compititon, I think it is good when more US players play here, but as we all know, they don’t think the travel is worth it.
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats to F and G's post, I musta slipped on the ice there, lol
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're coming Easy
Make way. lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saved the bottle, thank goodness, but twisted my knee, lol
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Priorities - Proud of you
A couple of nips should see you right.
by WendyUK on Jan 5, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many has he played court??
Don’t get cute……..If he went to Europe and joined the tour……Many would follow, and the race for Dubai would become the premiere playoff in Golf. He steers the ship no matter which body of water he docks his boat. Let’s be real. Now he’s not just a great golfer, he’s a circus….cha ching. Where he goes so go the Dollars, or Euros, or whatever. Hey Tiger…………..Go to Europe………The TGC shows all the events, and all of these know it alls Would be left watching the “Damned i don’t have a sponsor” open.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn’t tell you – I just found the list of wins – but it isn’t a huge list. He won in Germany every time he played, and he didn’t win every Dubai, and I think he used to play Loch Lomond before The Open – but there aren’t many non-PGA Tour tournaments. His travel has gotten less and less over the years.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 5, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, i'll research.
Oh, and be careful with the “I only count 7” references. 7 wins is more than a lot of golfers have won on either tour.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
7 as opposed to “over 30”
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 5, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Majors...........WGC's!!
Do we act as they didn’t happen?? Are they considered European Tour victories Or is the Brtish Open part of the Austrlasian Tour now? Can’t have it both ways counselor.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ooops...seem right
God, I haven’t even had a drink tonight…posting seems difficult, lol
by Easingwold on Jan 5, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They're Majors
They unite the best, as do the WGC’s, and if there is an event on the “regular” tour that week should the players in the Majors be punished in the point systems?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 5, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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