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Golf Journos Weighs in on Tiger Fiasco, Convince Themselves of Their Relevance

Tod Leonard is killing it so far this week on the Tiger angle (which, unfortunately, is a big angle since his indefinite leave has actually begun).  He talked to Nantz about it, despite the CBS ban.  He also talked to three very open writers - Steve Elling, Mick Elliot, and Steve DiMeglio - about media reaction to Woods upon his return.

It's fairly predictable, but here's my takeaway quote from Steve Elling:

"He needs to have a conciliatory attitude toward the media," Elling said. "We’re his primary outlet to the public. I think all around his demeanor needs to change. I don’t think he’s going to be given the same free passes he was given in the past where people overlooked his small vices because they thought the greater virtues were there."

I respect Steve because he never writes scurred, but he's wrong on this one.  Tiger doesn't need the media when things are going well.  He has TV cameras to show his victories and his own website to share his thoughts, however guarded they are.

Woods can't control the media, especially the newfound papparazzi that will be a part of his life for a while.  And he's not even going to try to play nice.  He doesn't have to do that.  It would take way too much effort and time on his part to appease the media that was scorned by him in press tents for years, and he would never make the papparazzi happy.  Seems like his best course of action is to keep the status quo, which Steve does see happening.

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There’s a saying: “never pick a fight with someone who buys their ink by the barrel.”

It’s just as truth metaphorically with electronic journos as it is with print journalists, and while Woods may well command the television coverage of the golf itself, he may also find that he needs friends in the media as well.

While we like to puff up the importance of blogs and the Internet, the truth is that most Americans still get their news in one form or another from the Old Media.

by Charles Boyer on Jan 29, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps I do have a little too much faith in people to actually seek out information as opposed to passively accepting it for what it is. That’s not my point, though. My point is that Tiger had a great rep before the crash despite his less-than-nice behavior on course. And there will be people who dislike him because of his philandering, but there will be millions more who couldn’t care less.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 29, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

there will be people who dislike him because of his philandering, but there will be millions more who couldn’t care less.

Short of re-posting my comment below, I’ll just point out to you that it does not take a majority to spoil someone as a marketing entity, and that despite their great play on the field or course, they may be extremely damaged goods from a sponsorship standpoint.

See: Kobe Bryant.

by Charles Boyer on Jan 29, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on that.

Maybe what he really needs to do is take a leaf out of Phils book and maybe sign a few autographs ? The fans matter more in the end. Faldo and the media never really got on, but the fans loved him…he would sign autographs and thank the fans…something I have never heard Tiger say.

by Easingwold on Jan 29, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Feasible idea, Easing,

and no doubt there are plenty of eager breasts around for Tiger to sign.

by TXQ on Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think

Tiger needs to “MAN UP” upon his return and make a PUBLIC apology, not so much for infidelity, but for misleading the public, saying “Family First” on live TV at the same time as he was out fooling around. As well as saying that the “Allegations are False” and then admitting later ( only after being found out ) that he did in fact have indescretions. JMHO

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't like him before

as the person he portrayed of course…no one knows him that well, not even his wife.

by Easingwold on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

jumpn

i agree with the “man up” point, but i think the false allegations statements were pointed to the reports about elin. I believe he said that she came to his aid, and acted heroically……as for the fans, well if he ignores the fans, then they should do likewise. If you are a jerk to me…please understand that i will not follow you. Tiger Woods is a golfer. He has lost his image. Now he can be what he seemed to always want………A Golfer. He was always uncomfortable with the attention off-course. What did we really know about him? He has a temper…we’ve seen that. He has great on-course focus……we’ve seen that. He can win with less than his best game….we’ve seen that. Now we know that he has a sexual problem…….we’ve heard that. What can he say to the public, that is not already painfully obvious?? Family first……Well he seems to have put his family first now that his issue has been unearthed. So what do we want from him? I just want him to play golf. It’s all i ever wanted from him. He is not my messiah, or my guru, or my jedi. Tiger Woods is a golfer. That’s all he ever was.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

well F&G's

I agree to disagree , but its all based on how each individual looks at something. He doesn’t owe me anything. I do believe he owes his loyal fans, both fringe and otherwise and regular bloggers to his website and those that looked up to him a Public,,"""I’m Sorry""" showing a little humility and humanity by explaining HIS SIDE of the story honestly. Again, he doesn’t owe me a thing as I am a fan of the game itself and not any one individual player. I watch and support the Nationwide, European and LPGA tours as well. Makes no difference to me if he comes back or not as the game will live on fine without him.

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 29, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo!!

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 29, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Very apt Em

in UK bingo callling – is it the same in US? Anyway, agree with you and Jump’n on this score! Anyone for tennis this w/e?

by WendyUK on Jan 29, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, yes.....

The old “pound of flesh” thing. Hello, i’m tiger, and i’m a sexaholic. I’ve been winning golf tournaments, starting a family, while all the time hiding a sex addiction. Now What?? Can i go back to playing golf, or do you “true golf fans” feel so hurt, that you want me banned from tour for cheating on my wife? The man is a Golfer. What doe a public confession, and apology prove, or improve. You either like him or you don’t. His explanation was for his wife, and his family. As far as the salesman angle goes, well he can be fired. He wasn’t selling bibles, or religious fares. What do we want the man to say?? Then What?

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

sure

maybe then Phil and that cheat club could ascend to numero…..um….youknow……Short of banning Tiger that may never happen.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No bigger Tiger fan than me....

and I don’t feel he owes me anything. I’m with F&G on this one, I’m only interested in him as a golfer, the rest is not my business.

Roll Tide !!

by tigerhead on Jan 29, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tiger Woods is far more than just a golfer, he is also a salesman. In fact, it’s fair to say that Tiger Woods makes far more money selling Nike products as well as cars and credit cards than he ever has or ever will on the golf course.

Now then, when it comes to buying something from someone, image becomes a matter of critical importance. That’s why you don’t see Kobe Bryant selling Fords or whatever, because his image is not one that dovetails well into most marketing efforts.

On the other hand, Michael Jordan is the exception to that, but then again, MJ has never been stone-cold busted the same way that Kobe and Tiger were.

So as a golf fan, yeah, you have a point. As a marketing entity, however, which is what the bulk of what Tiger Inc truly is, well, not so much.

by Charles Boyer on Jan 29, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

if a man cheating...

affects which golf club you buy, or which watch you wear, then OK. I get that, but what should he say to you that you don’t now know. We all understand what has happened, so what do you need the man to say. I’m sorry? Will you believe him? He’s a golfer if he cheats on course, then yes I’m sorry. His apology should be for his on-course behavior, and his lack of fan friendliness… those are golf issues. not cheating on his family. I guess i don’t get the need for a public explanation for a family issue. just me i guess.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a reason porn stars don’t sell cars, Fairways and Grins, and if you cannot make the distinction why, I can understand why you’d never work in marketing anything, anywhere.

by Charles Boyer on Jan 29, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So let me make sure I understand your problem with Mr. Woods, Charles. You’re mad at him because he forfeited his marketability for the foreseeable future. Have I got that right?

Truth has a well-known liberal bias.

by dianemarie on Jan 29, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay...

Fire him from all marketing…….U happy OMP?? If he comes on TV and cries for an hour……will you believe him?? I don’t think so….I hear all this he owes us an explanation, and i say why? Because i bought a Buick based on his family life…….Or did you guys buy Tag watches because they were family based timepieces…….Did you buy Nike irons because they were family based clubs?? tiger the salesman has always been based on HE’S THE BEST GOLFER ON THE PLANET. Never was he hired as a spokesperson, because he was an okay golfer, but a great husband……He was with Nike Pre-Elin,,,Buick the same,,,,and so on. But you guys want him fired so fine…He’s fired…..Now what else do you require???

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Another self serving comment

from the media on what Tiger Woods needs to do.

I’m actually offended by the media’s de facto shakedown of Tiger Woods. There is a ‘we will lay off when you give us the access we think we deserve’ subtext of much of the golf media’s analysis.

What I fear will happen is this; Tiger comes back, providing such little media access Steve Carlton thinks he should speak up more. The golf media fights back wherever they can with active and passive shots (see how the parents of Michelle Wie were portrayed in 2009) until it becomes obvious that Tiger isn’t going to change and the general public doesn’t care the golf media has hurt feelings.

by TwoNuse on Jan 29, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah,

What’s really going on with the whole “story?” Seems to me that the man as done exactly what he needs to do to repair himself, and save his family. It goes back to who he cheated on to me. If he cheated in golf, then yes explain that to golf fans, but cheating on one’s wife is between husband and wife. The media is a joke anyway, this story has shown that. But TwoNuse………….It’s all good ……baby…….baby.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s often said you can tell the character of a person by the way s/he plays golf. From all accounts I’ve seen, Tiger Woods complies with the rules and the spirit of the game. Therefore, he is a person of good character.

The media (which may or may not play golf within the rules and the spirit of the game) are as much to blame as IMG for the created image of Tiger Woods. They’ve worshiped him as though he was the golden calf. Now the media are making fools of themselves, telling Woods, who I’d guess isn’t listening, what he needs to do to live up to their expectations. What a crock.

The man plays golf for a living. He’s better at it than just about anyone, ever. The grace and the power with which he strikes the ball are what endears him to his fans. At some point he’ll return to competitive golf, probably a little worse for wear, and do what he’s always done, win lots of tournaments.

The media will move on to the next graven image because that is all they know how to do.

Truth has a well-known liberal bias.

by dianemarie on Jan 29, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with all you said, Diane,

but one sugg: Rather than say, “Therefore, he is a person of good character,” how about, “Therefore, he is a golfer of good character.”

Surely there are more than 18 holes in his alibi for his off-course behavior.

by TXQ on Jan 29, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tiger always abide by the rules and spirit of the game

Then people need to forget this little incident at the 2005 U.S. Open-

Tiger Woods dragged his putter and marked up the ninth green in a show of disgust. When he missed his short birdie putt on the last hole, he stepped off the green and shouted an obscenity.

Is deliberately defacing/damaging a putting complying with the rules and spirit of the game?

by Bill Jempty on Jan 29, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

boy

What would they say if they found out tiger was playing a club that was clearly outside the parameters of the New groove rule? He would be burned at the stake. I mean Mr. Jempty dug up an incident when Woods dragged his putter on a green for what 2 whole feet? Oh yes, the rock moving incident…..oooooooooh……..Yes if he were found with lets say a PING EYE 2 wedge in his bag which (by law) is allowed to be used this year, though it clearly does not conform to the letter of the new groove rules. Yes a club which was not in the bag last year, or any in recent history. Whew, now that would be a story. That would be the biggest story IN Golf. The bloggers would have his head for that one i bet.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 29, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Quit whining.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 29, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way...

I loved Phil’s comments in support of Tiger and his privacy. I’ve always liked Phil; I like him even more now. A true class act.

Roll Tide !!

by tigerhead on Jan 29, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

what about.....

the Ping Eye 2 wedge in Phil’s bag?? Obviously outside the new V-groove rules, and totally against the spirit of the game. What’s up with that? I agree with Scott McCarron, and i’m surprised it’s not a bigger issue here. This is a mess……..i mean using a twenty year old club which by some court decision is deemed immune fom the rules of the game. This makes me sick. I’m totally stunned and saddened that Phil as the leader on tour is using this club. It’s a damn shame. imho.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

As good as Phil is with the wedges, why does he feel he needs to do what he has done? Fair enough if everyone out there had the same choice, but they don’t because of contracts or conscience. As such, that means that someone is gaining an unfair advantage Blame who you like, but the bottom line is that Phil has a choice here – legalities aside. He has an advantage over other players on Tour through a technicality. Is that golf and what the game stand for?

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, you guys, you now have a soapbox to stand

on, and I understand how it makes you feel better about how Tiger let you down. But you are not paying attention. Phil was interviewed yesterday and totally agreed with McCarron. He is not using the Ping to get an advantage, but to make a STATEMENT! F’s & G’s I know you are smart enough to see that. Phil is the best short game player ever and doesn’t need the Ping club. He is frustrated with how the USGA , PGA and Ping handled this whole “mess” and is just “gigging” them by exploiting the stupidity of the rule. He submitted clubs with “conforming” groves and the clubs were not approved for some reason. As I said, he’s making a statement and it seems to be getting air time.

F’s, I do have to say you have a knack for over dramatizing this deal…..

“This makes me sick. I’m totally stunned and saddened that Phil as the leader on tour is using this club. It’s a damn shame. imho.”

maybe you should try acting……lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell of a way to make a point – Phil that is.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Chip......

Did you see the interview? I’m sure if you did you would draw the same conclusion. I wouldn’t be surprised if he took the club out of the bag today. We’ll see what happens….I believe this will push the PGA or USGA to take some action to remedy the situation. As far as the competition, I don’t think it’s a big deal……except to those who want to get some revenge on someone…..anyone…. for Tiger’s problems.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

The PGA need to sort it. It’s not the USGA that runs the Tour. I can’t believe that the Tour didn’t see this coming. If Phil is indeed making a point – then he certainly got what he wanted. Grandstanding? Surely there are better ways of getting your point across.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't this a USGA rule?

You’re right about the PGA sorting it out. I do believe they have some rules that supersede the USGA (for the pros only) and this may be one of those times to act. Do you really think this gives Phil a big advantage over the field?

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes it’s a USGA rule. The PGA can implement rules at their whim, with or without the sanction of the USGA. As to whether of not it gives him an advantage – who really knows. The point is that he think it does or he wouldn’t have done it. The way I teach and feel, is that it honesty and integrity are the absolute foundations of the game. If you chose to take an advantage over other players that they cannot pursue, then you are in breach of those principals.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Please excuse typos – it’s late here and I am absolutely knackered, not to put too fine a point on it!

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Did he say?

“do you really think this gives Phil a big advantage over the field?”. Um……………YES, thus the rule change in the first place……..a rule change which you self professed “true golf fans” lauded in a symphonious cheer. Now you are in full WHO DAT! Crawdad mode. Utterlly ridiculous to try and justy Phil’s excuse, and his spitting in the face of the game, and it’s rules. A damn shame!!

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Drama Queen!

You’re like a kid in a candy store with this……now you can divert attention away from the Scumbag and try to make a big deal out of nothing. Typical liberal tactic. Sure I think it’s a good rule and I also think the Ping club should be “not approved”, but guess what…..it is approved and anyone who plays it while it is approved is not breaking a rule. Hater…lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Chip.......

I have to wonder why the PGA didn’t step in a couple of weeks ago when this first came up. Surely now they will have to. Maybe John Daly playing the club didn’t get their attention, but Phil definitely has gotten their attention.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Shutting the door after the horse has left the premises. The bigger the corporation, the dumber they appear, or more likely, are.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Chip......thanks for the civil

debate…..enjoyed it. Unfortunately, F’s & G’s can’t be civil and has to take all debate into the sewer……have a good night.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

civility

must be a matter of opinion also. Truth is You’re wrong on this one em, and you know it. I haven’t been rude, or nasty in the least. I’m stating a fact, and you can’t find traction in your “argument” so now you’re taking your clubs, and going home. Well fine…….You were losing anyway……..again. Just like Phil.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

F's......You are the one who

brought the loser Obama into the conversation in a negative way. And losing….I think not…..no rule has been broken. Get over it.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

at least Phil is playing

And not hiding from an issue. He was front and center on camera when asked and didn’t refuse an interview like you know who.

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 30, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Jumpn

That’s a great point….I wish I would have thought of it! I understand F’s need to bash someone. His boy has taken a beating for the past 2 months and this is his opportunity for some ’Pay Back", as lame as it is.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I saw the Phonies interview, and it was laughable. I put an illegal club in play to make a point. Please. He used the club too, what point was that making? I can thumb my nose at the rules, and the spirit of the game, and theirs nothing you can do about it. He sure showed Ping on that one. I’ll use your club, give you exposure, and break the rules all at once. What point was that making…..? What does the USGA have to do with Phil on Tour? Oh well, the I agree with McCarron, but i used the club anyway excuse was nonsensical. Then again he is a self described “idiot”. What’s in the bag? A non-conforming club. Where’s Finchem when we need him. OBTW. The pres. smoked the republicans at their get together yesterday. No teleprompter in site. lol.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, right......

so what were you smoking when you watched it……..he was as bad as he was with the “MISStatement of the Union” campaign speech……he’s one and done, a total disaster that will have people begging for W to come back……lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

best short game ever. Tell Seve, Olazabal, and Woods that. Phil is a trick shot artist, who doesn’t always make the smart decision around the green. seems the Phil Phollowers don’t remember his short game blunders, just the highlights. Best short game ever. No…..No..No.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

They all hit great shots and they all chunked shots.....

you can’t argue with any of them, as they were all great.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course! Sometimes though, actually, most of the time, the easy way is the best way. Phil seems to want to find the hard way and look spectacular doing it. Sometimes, you can look like a bit of a fool going that way. No room for pictures on the card – only numbers.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Very good point.....

but sometimes the fun of pulling off the spectacular is worth the risk of the chunk…….we’ve all hit that “special” shot that was impossible and it pumped us up for a long time. Maybe it is an “addiction” for him…..lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly chip

they don’t ask how……..rather…….how many. This isn’t the business of look what i did. It’s look what i shot. Phil has left many shots on the course going for the spectacular when the simple would do. Best short game ever. no. Most spectacular….maybe.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why we play for fun and they don’t. Better than Ambien, I guess.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

F&G's

The pot calling the kettle black. What about Tigers ball on the roof and then suddenly in the hands of the chef? What about the 800 lb boulder ? Where those two rulings legal and by the letter of the law ? Why yes they are ? So how is Phils club any different ? Wait I known the answer to that already. The same rules don’t apply to TW in your world. hahaha

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 30, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeeze, I’ve got in the middle of something here haven’t I?

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Chip

Hang in there with us. It’s all in fun. (except for F’s & G’s who has other issues) lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine what you blokes are like after a few beers! And you’re right – it is good fun.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

In the off season....

some of you “true golf fans” were singing the praises of the new V-groove rule, now suddenly……….It’s okay to blatantly go against the spirit of the rule, and the game….I don’t think so. Phil is flat out wrong and you know it. So what do you do. You bring up the Tiger this, and he Tiger that. The club is against the spirit of the rules, and is non-conforming. You know it!! quit crying. Phil should be spoken too at the local woodshed.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems...

it’s okay for Phil to cheat on course, but not for you know who to cheat off course. You guys are laughable. Gotta go. my game is calling. Sleep well tonight. what’s that sound?? Piiiiiiiiing lol. What?

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And don't give me the "spirit of the rules" crap....

was it within the spirit of the rules when Tiger let the big rock be moved? Was it within the spirit of the rules when Tiger hit on top of the building and it took over 5 minutes to find it…….come on, you can do better than that. The fact is the club is a legal club and you should get over it……Let talk about Tiger.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Should he be playing the club in your opinion em?? Is it a skirting of the rules, and a lack of respect for the rules of golf? Does the “idiot” excuse give him a pass on this one too? Why are you covering up for him anyway?? Doesn’t he play from the LEFT side? lol. You look silly on this one my man. Phil is wrong, and you know it!!

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The PGA Tour is the one in the wrong for allowing the whole debacle to happen. They would/should, have seen this coming. If they didn’t, then they need to do some reassessing of their “advisors”.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

F's & G's

Should he play the club…..probably not, but you’ll never get a conviction for playing within the rules. That’s why I believe he is making a point by playing the club. Once again you get too hung up on our “opinions” and you seem to think they carry some kind of influence. We’re just a bunch of people babbling about something we see in the news….no more, no less. You keep bashing Phil….it may keep you warm.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

probably not??

He’s wrong…….we should speak to it, because he’s making a mockery of a rule which was instituted to bring the game back to the kind of play you “true golf fans” have been desiring. You guys can’t have it both ways. “probably” is a very weak stance to take on this one. I’m on Phil, because he knows better. He’s not a fringe player, he’s Phil. Now this mess is big news, and his face is the cover.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

lol!!

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a legal conviction, no. One amongst his peers – yes.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Chips.......My understanding is

that no one on tour likes Phil anyway. I know that’s not completely true, but to an extent he may not care what they think. He didn’t bash McCarron for his comment, but said he agreed with him……unlike most (one) who would have,…….well, I’ll leave that alone. lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

As far as Phil having the best short game ever – I beg to disagree. He can play any shot around the green there is and more. Does that make him the best? The best around the greens don’t only have the shots, they have the smarts to know which shot is appropriate to the circumstance. I don’t know about you, but I have seen him play some seriously dumb ass shots that were totally inappropriate to the situation. Sometimes, (I think) he gets in his own way – it doesn’t have to be clever to be good.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

You may be right, but....

most would crown him the short game King. As for the dumb shots, sure some of them don’t work out, but we’ve all seen some of the incredible shots he did pull off…..but if he keeps making those 25 foot putts……he won’t need a short game…..lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

A the risk of sound liking a Tiger sycophant – which I’m not, if I had to have someone get it up and down to save my life, I’d take Tiger every time

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's not bad choice.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to jump in the middle of a hot spot...

but it would be interesting to see the reaction if it was Tiger using this wedge. I don’t care what Phil does; if the PGA and USGA say he can use the club that’s good enough for me. I do strongly suspect however, if it were Tiger doing this, the same group defending Phil would be calling for Tiger’s head.

Roll Tide !!

by tigerhead on Jan 30, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Seve was short game king of all time.

He could do things in a bunker with a 7 iron many couldn’t do with a sand wedge. Give Phil a 56 degree wedge..the limit loft IMO…and Seve…Seve wins hands down. And Phil misses too many short putts. Great short game, yes, but never as good as Seve…even Tiger with his putting is not that good.

by Easingwold on Jan 31, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed....

Seve was the master………Olazabal………Tiger………Phil. Phil has all the shots, but the short distance between his ears is his weakness. Wrong shot wrong time. Short game, and long. Plus he’s a streaky putter.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Feb 1, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Teaching the game

is what I do. I use computer video analysis, as do most these days and I use Tiger’s swing a lot, for various reasons. Funny thing, the first couple of weeks after the excrement hit the fan, everyone was saying “what’s up with Tiger?” along with assorted opinions – mine included. The past month, no one has said boo when I put him up on the screen. The general public is as bored and over it, as I am. Let the man be and let him get back to what he is – a golf pro, nothing more and nothing less. As far as the media is concerned, they will do what ever they can to sell their wares. Tiger owes nothing to the media, nor the public. Sexual morals and or values have nothing to do with what he is or what he does. The only people he has to explain himself to, is his family. I wish them and him well and look forward to seeing him back on the golf course soon.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 7:28 AM EST reply actions  

That's well said chip nputt

There will be some people that will hold this against Tiger until the grave. But in my estimation the majority that fall in that group didn’t like him to begin with. Most people will move past this very quickly if they haven’t already. And to me this really represents a unique opportunity for Tiger that he otherwise may not have ever seen. It’s an opportunity to learn, change, and improve himself as a person. We all tend to learn more from our mistakes than our successes. Tiger needed to be knocked off his pedestal and if he leans the lessons presented to him, the public will quickly forgive him and his popularity will return, perhaps even to new heights.

Roll Tide !!

by tigerhead on Jan 30, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

My personal belief, is that this is make or break time for Tiger. Maybe he has and will gain a little more humility from all that has happened and that to me, would be a good thing. His choice now is to run away from it all, or stand up for what he is, use it as an incentive and go play golf. I hope it’s the latter.

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

yessir!!

The swing is the thing. He’ll be back, and the victories will follow. He is still the worlds best golfer.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Jan 30, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

your man cheetah woods

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 30, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

EM66 great minds think a like

you and i posted identical things to F&G’s at the same time above, Twice in a row lol we must have telepathy.

"pain is only weakness leaving the body"

by progolf on Jan 30, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

I prefer to think of it as "ESPN"......lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

EM, that ESPN line

was very clever, and it’s easy to channel.

by TXQ on Jan 30, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a push button away.

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It's bee fun guys

Let’s hope that “Lucky Phil” has to get it up and down on the last tomorrow from a nice fluffy lie to win by 1. Second hope is that when Tiger comes back, he’s using a belly putter. I wonder what Scott McCarron would say about that?

Play it as you find it

by chip'nputt on Jan 30, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Oh no, we didn't even

get into the long putter and the belly putter debate………another day. Hmmmm Spirit of the rules…..lol

The Saints are in the SUPER BOWL....WHO DAT!

by em66 on Jan 30, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Rules of golf.....

If they don’t police these matters the bull will never fit in the corral again.

"The game is swell when it's played well."

by Fairways and Grins on Feb 1, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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