Marion Barry: Proof America Will Totally Forgive Tiger's Transgressions
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 AM EST
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PrintI am sure other countries eventually forgive their hockey, soccer, or cricket players when they mess up, but America has proven time and again that She will forgive anybody for anything. We scream and say, "Enough is enough," but apparently it is not enough. We can always take more.
Other than Kobe Bryant, how about all those athletes who have committed sex-related crimes? Just because you pay off the victim does not mean you did not do it.
Plexico Burress will get out of jail and return to the NFL as did Michael Vick. And, after a few months all shame has disappeared and 'mea culpa' are just two Latin words.
Bill Clinton disgraced the office of the President of the United States of America. His antics in the Oval Office are now considered fodder for humor.
But, the absolute, 100% proof that America will forgive Tiger Woods is Marion Barry.
Marion Barry was the mayor of Washington, D.C. from 1978-1992. I won't list every arrest and every time he was charged with a crime, but he was released from Federal Prison in 1992 and promptly elected by the citizens of Washington to its City Council.
Two years later, he was again made Mayor of that fine city. Since 1994, Barry has been arrested, charged and indicted by the IRS, the Secret Service, the Capitol Park Police and the Capitol Police on counts ranging from tax evasion and avoidance, to driving under the influence, to stalking an ex-girlfriend. He is currently again serving as the City Council representative from D.C.'s Eighth Ward.
His motel room arrest where he is caught on camera smoking crack and talking aloud has been on Saturday Night Live and other comedy shows. It is the set-up film for Barry's "bitch set me up" comment about his former girlfriend, Hazel "Rasheeda" Moore, who participated in the F.B.I. sting operation.
I try not to throw stones these days, glass houses are very expensive - in many ways. But if I ever get caught, prosecuted, sentenced and put on probabtion, I hope my peers are only 10% as forgiving as some of the above citizens. They might make me President.
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The results of forgiveness will only be proven after the return to the spotlight.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Clinton.....Barry....they are not about
forgiveness as much as about ignorance. All they have to do is promise something for nothing and they get the votes…….ignorance seldom learns. Tiger is a different situation. Forgiveness is available to someone who is repentant and seeks to learn from their mistakes.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
“Forgiveness is available to someone who is repentant and seeks to learn from their mistakes.”
…Unstated, but implied in em66’s post, is that you can not forgive someone who is unrepentant and doesn’t want forgiveness. Time will tell if Tiger is repentant; so far he has lied to us by denying the affairs; then he only reluctantly admitted his transgressions when he was proven to be guilty; then he has told us it is none of our business; and lastly, he has hidden from the public and not made any public expression of his repentance.
Now it is indeed his “right” to keep this all private; but if TW wants to be forgiven by the public, (and I agree that it is more important now to be forgiven by his wife, Elin), then at some time, he must come clean with the public and not only admit his transgressions, but express some remorse, contrition, and repentance for those transgressions. Only then can he, will he be forgiven by the general public.
So you’re saying that the public can’t forgive something if the person doesn’t want to be forgiven ? What do you call it when someone “transgresses” the way Tiger has done, but the public doesn’t turn their back on that person and even shows support for them ?
Barry Bonds is one of the biggest cheats baseball has ever seen, but stadiums were packed out to watch him hit.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yes, court, that’s what I’m saying…I’ll repeat it…“you can not forgive someone who is unrepentant and doesn’t want forgiveness.”
The answer to your question is obvious, and you know the answer but since I’m trying to be civil, here goes….it’s sort of a corollary to my original statement, quoted above…let’s put it this way….“You can not forgive someone if you don’t believe that someone has donw anything wrong”…, some of the public (Tigerhead, dianemarie, F&G, etc.) don’t think that Tiger has done anything for which he needs to be forgiven. Same for many baseball fans with BB.
you’re wrong – of COURSE you can forgive someone even if they don’t ask for it – parents do it all the time. So do women who date guys (and vice versa) who cheat on them or beat them or steal from them.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
But of course to you and Humpty Dumpty (F&G), words have no meaning. You’re confusing forgiveness with “overlooking” a transgression….I hope that you’re not a parent
Suddenly..
“overlooking” a transgression by someone whom we have nothing to do with and is none of our business makes someone a bad parent ?
in context – eas – you have to agree with that part. if a parent overlooks bad behavior and doesn’t address it – yes – they are a bad parent…then you get into the gray areas of age and personal responsibility…but loving someone and being a good parent doesn’t mean the kids are never wrong.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I was refering to the public forgiveness line court
Nibs was suggesting your views may make you a bad parent
court said…“you can forgive someone even if they don’t ask for it – parents do it all the time. So do women who date guys (and vice versa) who cheat on them or beat them or steal from them.”
…a parent certainly has something to do with their children. Try to keep up!
maybe I need to get a better idea of what you consider “forgiveness” – I didn’t say that the parents or spouses or boyfriend/girlfriend are so stupid that they cannot recognize right and wrong – I said that they forgave them for it. it happens every day. you call it foolish – but it is the definition of forgiveness.
maybe you’re thinking of absolution ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
“I said that they forgave them for it. it happens every day’
…but they don’t forgive them if they’re not sorry! Try it yourself, court, go ahead and beat the snot out of your wife and then by words and actions tell her you’re not sorry and see if she forgives you.
did I say it was universal ? no
If I smacked my girlfriend around, I’m pretty sure my knee would get taken out along with “future generations”
does saying you’re sorry mean you’re really sorry ? People say it all the time and don’t mean it, they say it to get someone to say that it’s ok.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Nibs, I didn’t say he didn’t do anything wrong. Tiger didn’t cheat on us, so why would we feel the need to forgive him. If it was Briney Baird we wouldn’t be having this discussion, would we?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
diane,
Of course we wouldn’t be having this discussion if it was Briney Baird….we agree on that.
Now if Tiger killed the 7-11 clerk, that wouldn’t affect us either, but it would still be wrong, like it was wrong for Tiger to cheat on his wife, and also, remember Tiger lied to us about his transgressions, so yes, he needs to admit and be sorry for his transgressions and we need to forgive him. And remember, forgiveness is not optional, although you’d never know it from listening to the MSM…just recently Harry Reid apologized to Obama and the MSM dutifully reported that Obama accepted his apology. When Peter asked Christ how many times must I forgive my brother? Seven times? Christ said, seventy times seven times, which was a way of stating infinity in those days.
You’re missing my point. All the examples you just gave were of people who interacted on a personal level, except… Tiger never lied to me. He may have lied to his wife, he may have lied to his children. His behavior directly affects them. They are the one’s who will or won’t forgive him for his actions, not you, not me, not anyone else (well, maybe the stockholders of Tiger, Inc.).
If someone shoots a 7/11 clerk it’s not my job to judge him, unless the clerk is known to me or I’m on the jury. The president understood exactly what Senator Reid meant and that he was correct, the forgiveness thing was for public consumption. Christ and Peter were buddies, so of course forgiveness was appropriate.
I don’t know Tiger Woods, I don’t care about Tiger Woods, except when he’s hitting a golf ball. Then I’m in awe.
Now I have a meeting. If we’re still on the subject, “I’ll be back!”
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
" Tiger never lied to me."
…O really? TW issued a statement on his website saying that the rumors were all vicious lies…I’ll have to go check back and see if the statement included a disclaimer that it was for all people on earth except for dianemarie….we should be back about the same time.
I hope your meeting was better than mine. absolute waste of time.
So, what you’re saying, Mr. Niblic, is that you have never been caught doing something you wish you hadn’t where you haven’t tried to deflect attention or issue denials for damage control? If that’s you, then maybe you are The Second Coming. The rest of us will dodge and weave sometimes in the hope of avoiding responsibility if we’re a little bit delusional.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Hey Now Diane
I have Briney on my picks this week., don’t be dragging him down . hahahaha
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
sorry pg
I pulled that name out of thin air, just like I did Shane Bertsch. I hope your guy comes in second. 8-)
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
I can’t figure out why, as a country, we get so hung up on the sex OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING. It’s a normal human activity. Did Clinton really disgrace the White House? Other presidents have certainly engaged in sexual activities with women (or maybe even men) other than their wives while on the premises. National security was not at risk, so what’s to forgive?
Think about the hubris required to believe our “forgiveness” for sexual activity, that doesn’t directly affect us, matters one whit in the great scheme of things.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
oh the thoughts I’m having about which presidents were famous for doing what to who and where in the White House…much less the Oval Office.
D – there are places where you just don’t do things – please don’t pretend you don’t understand that and agree with it. But I do agree with your general point.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I’m not going to get in a discussion with you over this, but I’d like you to imagine all the places you wouldn’t “do things” then think about why. What circumstances would cause you to change your mind? Think about the repercussions if you did. Negative consequences only happen if you get caught.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
I didn’t say me – I said YOU. Don’t try to weasel out of it – you brought it up. You KNOW there are places where things (not necessarily sexual) are just not done. And it doesn’t always have to do with fear of punishment – it has more to do with respect for the place.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
It was not the 'Monica' part
of the controversy that stunk the most, it was holding the office of the President up to the ridicule of the world while Clinton debated if and when he would come clean with the truth…
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Hey, I gotta go
with D on this one….There’s nothing to repent for if ya don’t get caught….Sometimes just the rush of doing something outside the box out weighs ones rationalization of whats right/wrong….Court is right on the ignorance part, but demographics also has a major part of whats acceptable….I can’t see any such AWE of places, but I can people…even history doesn’t lend itself to respect….STUB
now you’re getting into part of the reason most of us love the game of golf – the honesty required in a game that is patroled by the individual players. Are you now saying that TIger would cheat on the golf course as easily as he did on his wife if he thought he wouldn’t get caught ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I know your ? was addressed to Stub, but my answer is a definite YES. For instance, PED’s, anabolic steroids, HGH….I don’t have any doubt but that TW used them. There is no proof(TW is too rich to have to use anything that could possibly be detected) and we’ll never know the truth in this vale of tears, but I’ll bet you a celestial brewsky.
Well, he’s been playing competitive golf for at least 20 years, and it was sometime within the last 20 years that he used the PED’s. And just because there’s no accusation doesn’t mean TW didn’t use PED’s…it would be pretty stupid to make such an accusation without proof and we all know that TW has taken and passed multiple drug tests. My point is that TW has almost certainly used PED’s…do we have a bet?
wow – now there’s a thought right out of a nebula – can you add a little MORE scope to that “thought” ?
how do you make a bet on “almost certainly” ? Vegas would call security.
I wouldn’t argue that Tiger has taken HGH – problem is – he wasn’t competing at the time – he was REHABBING FROM KNEE SURGERY – you can’t gain a playing advantage when you aren’t playing. HGH is used to help recovery.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
court,
Your reading abilities are limited….did you not understand my original post…
“There is no proof(TW is too rich to have to use anything that could possibly be detected) and we’ll never know the truth in this vale of tears, but I’ll bet you a celestial brewsky.”
…and I said “almost certainly” because I don’t know for certain and will not know for certain until I reach heaven.
So we agree, Tiger used PED’s and if you look at the tour policy, it does not allow for using them at any time, just because you’ve taken a break from competing on the tour. So it is still cheating….by the way, since there’s no reliable test for HGH, the tour could have tested him everyday of his recovery and still not have found them.
Insofar as gaining a playing advantage, isn’t it an advantage to actually be recovered enough to play? I don’t recall any tournaments being won while someone was recovering?
do you talk to people face to face the way you do here ? if you do – how many times has your nose been broken ? does God forgive you for your incredible lack of manners…even if you don’t ask ?
YOU wanted to make the bet – you wanted to bet on something that has no proof – which you attribute to his wealth…playing the class envy card doesn’t get you any style points, but I understand where you’re coming from. HGH wasn’t going to give him extra ability ON the course – it was just going to get him back there sooner. This isn’t a sports only rehab therapy – it is used every day for a lot of different surgeries.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Correction – there is no reliable URINE test for HGH.
Blood testing is another matter entirely.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
talk like what? be specific…I have not said anything that is not true. I think what rankles you is that you agree with me but yet you were too stupid to realize that and had to be informed of that by me. So I do apologize for knowing you better than you know yourself(but I will not apologize for being able to read!)
should we start with “your reading abilities are limited” ? I’m sure most of us can toss in our favorites.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yes, let’s start there. You made the statement…“wow – now there’s a thought right out of a nebula – can you add a little MORE scope to that "thought" ?”
…but I had mentioned that 2 posts earlier and either you had not read it or not understood it. So do you want to try again?
nibs – you’re not worth the aggravation – all you want to do is throw out insults and pretend to be superior all the while hiding behind your religion – I’m done with you
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by the way – thanks for making my point for me – that response was perfect – full of insults and condescention. you’re a piece of work, nibs
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I wonder if it has ever crossed Niblics superior mind...
that the problem of not understanding him might be the way he puts his point across ?
I think it was Jesus who said
“Father, forgive them for they know what what they blog.” But I’m still not convinced that pic on the cross is really Him. Coulda been early Photoshop.
Gee Wiz Man
I leave for a couple of hours to write a meeting agenda paper and all hell breaks loose.
Ok , who needs a time out ?
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Must be one helluva meeting if it takes two hours for the agenda.
Meetings=hell
by Charles Boyer on Jan 22, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I agree Progolf, but, since God
has already forgiven Tiger and the citizens of D.C. have ‘forgiven’ Marion Barry, I hereby and officially forgive courtgolf, niblic, Easingwold and dianemarie (even though she didn’t do anything wrong)…
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Jan 21, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Wow! This really hit a nerve!
60 comments! That’s a bunch for a non-golf article. PEDS, Knee surgery? I know what that’s about… Looks like it got a little nasty (for waggleroom) for a bit. I’m not sure about this forgiveness thing at all. I’m not sure it’s part of our nature to truly forgive. We may dismiss…or tolerate….or ignore…
I have noticed non golf comments
far outnumber golf ones…I’m as guilty as the rest there…roll on march…
60 comments isn't all that many when courtgolf
and niblic account for 49 of them.
It was a golf post. The premise being if Marion Barry can be forgiven for being the lowest piece of scum ever to exist on this planet, Tiger has a chance.
Picture of Mayor 
Marion Barry smoking crack cocaine while FBI is in the adjoining bedroom at a motel.
I'll keep an eye out for you...at www.oneeyedgolfer.blogspot.com
by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Jan 21, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions
fuzzy photo
no wonder john delorian(the car guy) got away with his suppose crime. grainy video and photo imaging. i think they happened around the same time.
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 21, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
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