Well, Uh, Here Were Small Photos of Tiger in Sex Rehab (Update)
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM EST
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PrintRadar Online posted a photo that the National Enquirer will print in their issue this week that they claim is Tiger Woods in sex rehab at Gentle Path in Mississippi.
This is where you would have seen the photo of Tiger that Radar Online published this morning.
They asked us to take it down. We obliged.
That about seals up that question, I guess, for now, if true. If it is a six week program, then Tiger would be done with it around the middle of February.
This answers a lot of questions if true:
- Is Tiger getting divorced? - Wouldn't seem like it if he's doing this.
- Where is Tiger? - Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
- Does a photo of Tiger exist post-crash? - Yeah, now one does.
Alright, let's move on.
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Is that a Tag Heuer watch he’s wearing ? He must have figured nobody would recognise him if he wore it.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
dunking graham crackers in the coffee ?
here’s a didja know ?
Did you know that raham crackers were originally marketed as “Dr. Graham’s Honey Biskets” and were conceived of as a health food as part of the Graham Diet, a regimen to suppress what he considered unhealthy carnal urges, the source of many maladies according to Graham. Reverend Graham would often lecture about the adverse effects of masturbation, or “self-abuse” as he called it. One of his many theories was that one could curb one’s sexual appetite by eating bland foods.
Another man who held this belief was Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of the corn flakes cereal.
(I knew this before – but the quote is from the Wiki entry for graham crackers)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Ok, I haveta admit I didn't believe
the Mississippi thing, and I’m not sure how a fuzzy photo makes that all true. But that being said, I will go along with the “truth” of the story and say am now very impressed that Tiger is doing this. I never thought he would stay married or go through any “therapy”. If this is true, then maybe he was being truthful about wanting to keep his family and become a better person. More power to him…..I hope he makes it!!
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
Dat U!!
I am growing to not dislike you as much……….A “truly” compassionate conservative. I sincerely believe your post, and i hope more of the right wingers pick up on your mood, just as i really hope the Tiger apologists understand the damage he has done to his wife, and their marriage. Sponsors be damned, and fans (get a life), but his family, and his wife, did not deserve this drama, and circus. As for Tiger……gulp…….i am aligned with you on this one. I wish his family well, and i hope he gets the help he needs. I also hope he can somehow give that wife of his the love she deserves. This speaks volumes for her desire to save her family, and afford her children every opportunity to have their father. Tiger is just (excuse me) “scrambling” to save face, and his family. Elin deserves better than this. May God bless her. She is the true hall of famer in this situation!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 20, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
This whole sex-rehab thing kind of reminds me of those places that promise that they can un-gay someone. Really?
Come on, Tiger, just admit that you like sexual activity and that you did wrong by directing that energy outside your marriage. And if you’re not getting it there, then you either need to work out an arrangement or decide how important it is and maybe get divorced so you can sow all the oats you want.
Problem solved, now get back onto the golf course.
iF THIS IS INDEED
the TIGAR, than if the photographer waits around long enough, Elin should emerge and they can get her picture too…They only take couples, if the one with the problem is married….seems it stops a lot of hitting on the single others…go figure…Hey Double, he’s here because he was getting too much, never mind the “not getting”…Court, are you selling graham crackers now?…STUB
Obviously he was getting the amount that he wanted (is there such a thing as too much)? The problem is that doing so violated a promise he made to his wife. Is that an “addiction”? If he wasn’t getting satisfaction at home and took his show on the road, that’s wrong, but is that an addiction? Or was he just fulfilling his desires in a way that society frowns upon? If he was single and all this became known, is it still an addiction? Or is he just a modern Wilt Chamberlain?
by Double Eagle on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
of course, if Wilt was the benchmark for “addiction”, these “clinics” would go broke. Nobody calls Wilt a “sex addict”.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Wilt the Stilt.....hmmmmm, not the best nickname in this context
Wilt claimed 20,000 “conquests” or as he put it, 1.2 women per day from the age of 15. That’s 53 active years, since Wilt died at age 68. a life long bachelor. And it’s that bachelor thing that separates him from Tiger Woods. Celebrity adultery is not much of story, whether it’s and actor/actress, sports superstar, politican or church leader. The think I find most destressing is the deception. That’s what makes this mess so distasteful.
so you’re saying that the dividing line to determine a sex addict is marriage ?
personally, I think this “sex addiction” is just another ploy to cash in on political correctness and letting someone else tell you how you should live your life. This is the psychologist’s version of a law firm. They are the “experts” and are the ones to tell you if you’re screwed up or not.
if this is something Tiger chose for himself – more power to him – I hope it does what he thinks it’s going to do for him – but I get the feeling that he’s doing this more for public appearances and it’s what Cosmo would say to do.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Nope,
The traditional view of adidiction has to involve a substance most often alcohol or a narcotic, maybe even food… But a behavior can also be addictive although most often it’s called compulsive, like gambling. Both a behavior and a substance can give a person a “high”. When seeking that high becomes all comsuming that’s when it’s an addiction. For me, the marriage issue is vital. If a man will deceive his wife then it’s a short step to deceiving others. I think it was you that said something about Elin… We don’t know and never will know the dynamic between Tiger and his wife, or Bill and Hillary for that matter. It takes two to make a good strong marriage and it often takes two to mess one up..
we’ll have to agree to disagree. I fall in the first definition of substance addictions and the behavioral compulsions. when you start blurring definitions, you invite too much relativity, and eventually you have to make too many things acceptable because they fall under the same definition.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Woods' Image Rehab Strategy: I Was (Self) Victimized
Tiger Woods has almost undoubtedly had image and PR consultants working overtime since this so-called “scandal” erupted. If he didn’t hire them, IMG did, and if they didn’t, Nike sent them over from Oregon.
So how can they put Humpty Dumpty’s good-guy chimera back together again?
Well, can’t play the race card.
Can’t just pretend it’s all a lie.
Kind of hard to claim that El Cheetah is a victim.
Soooo….they came up with a great idea. You can just about hear it in the teleconferences “Let’s just make it out that Tiger has a mental condition!”
Someone answers, “Yeah! One that, unfortunately, makes him sooooo addicted to sex that he just…can’t….help….himself!”
A third voice. “America is forgiving country, and sure, we’ll take some heat, but I bet if the Boss tosses in some religion to his mix, he will be A-O-K!”
Riiiiight.
Sorry folks, cheating serially on your wife is not a mistake, it’s not an addiction or anything else. It is a character flaw, nothing more and nothing less.
Just keep in mind that Tigers never change their stripes.
well said – but there is still a missing component that we are not likely to ever find out about. We don’t know what, if any, part Elin played in all of this. We don’t know how things were between them once the kids started downloading. All of this mess starts during her first pregnancy. Doesn’t make the sleeping around right, but Elin could have had something to do with it.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
"once the kids started downloading"
Hah! We definitely live in a computer world.
wish I could take credit for it – I picked it up from Neal Boortz (boortz.com)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I suppose having twins can be called
cutting and pasting.
hmmmm
Looks like that picture was taken with a belt buckle cam of sorts. Also looks loke he knew it was being taken. Hard to say.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Compare the "Woods" picture with the overhead of the "clinic"
The buildings don’t look the same. The picture of the compound has red roofs – the “Tiger” picture has grey roofs
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I got a great photo
Of Tiger Woods on the grassy knoll in Dallas 47 years ago. Anyone want to see that?
What happened to those days when ryan actually blogged about golf?
golf blogging???/
You’ve got me Mr. Jempty. I’m longing for the days of yesteryear too.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Oh, you mean all of the other stuff that I posted this week that wasn’t Tiger related? All 12 articles?
It’s a tired act, Bill.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 20, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just had a
revelation of sorts….what if this really wasn’t TIGARs idea, but Elin’s???….because this is done on a couple basis, she could have been the one that insisted on it Court, I wasn’t thinking of me for the Grahams, but EM so he wouldn’t have to go to a deserted Island…don’t know if anything would help me one way or taother…I do have memories tho….ya gotta love it….STUB
I kind of assumed it was...
…her idea. Like, “you have a problem, get help if you want to stay with me.” That or the idea of one of his handlers that thinks that this will repair his public image. I just can’t believe that TW himself would have said, “You know, I’m really having too much sex, I need help to stop.” Especially since, if he wasn’t married, the reaction of most men would be “good for him.”
by Double Eagle on Jan 20, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I get that sense, too. I think that Elin may well have told Tiger that he has to go through the same, if not more, public shame that she probably felt after learning of the dozen plus women who went public with their affairs – and even others still that did not.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 20, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
ok – let’s go with the possibility that it was Elin’s idea for Tiger to check into this place – how does a swimsuit model / nanny decide that he is a “sex addict” ? If Tiger had all those affairs because of something she was doing (or not doing) wouldn’t this be an attempt by her to force all the blame on him and absolve herself ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
How about Sex Rehab with Dr. Drew?
http://www.vh1.com/shows/sex_rehab_with_dr_drew/cast.jhtml
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 20, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly
Who knows what goes through people’s minds? Look at us all acting like amateur psychologists and trying to analyze the situation for almost 2 months now.
Maybe she feels like she was providing him with enough leisure time so she feels this situation must have been because he couldn’t help himself. Maybe she wasn’t providing enough leisure time and didn’t care to but was angry about it and felt that he couldn’t help himself. Maybe he just told her he couldn’t help himself so he could be forgiven.
It’s not much different than if he was a drinker and she felt like it affected their relationship. Does that mean a person is an alcoholic? Or does the other person just turn it around and think that there must be something wrong because, in their mind, the spouse drinks too much?
Human beings are psychologically and emotionally frail creatures. This is why we get ourselves into this kind of trouble and it’s why these places even exist in the first place (whether it’s effective or not).
by Double Eagle on Jan 20, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
oh just say it, Eagle – women are nuts and take us with them :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You said it
Does it make me a bad person for agreeing?
by Double Eagle on Jan 20, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Women Only Have One Brain
Not two, so they don’t have “multiple personality disorder” caused by Little Brain Thinking.
Just sayin’, carry on.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man O’h Man, double eagle, your statement,,,""""You know, I’m really having too much sex, I need help to stop." Now that was funny. LMAO Thanks for the laugh, I needed it today.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Famous Woody Allen line:
If it weren’t for the rush hour on the subway, I’d be getting no sex whatsoever.
Hah! Good one, Wendy!
Didn’t think they called them buses in London.
Ryan says: "Alright, let's move on".
Love your optimism Ryan. This is a run away train. The only way there will be any moving on is when you move the article off….
People have misinterpreted that sentence all day. I meant onto the next post since I had nothing new to add :)
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 20, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Something was wrong..
I believe Tiger had this problem for a very long time. It may be that he met his wife in the midst of this “addiction”. He didn’t meet her at the library, and her looks, and photos are quite stunning. Tiger has a fascination/desire for a certain type of woman, and he has been voraciously pursuing them for all the time he has been in the public eye. That he married a woman who met the profile was just a continuation of his behaviour. The saving grace for him is he seems to have found a woman of grace, strength, and character. She has by (distant account) handled this like a woman of substance. She found him out, confronted him, whipped his a$$, stepped away, made him confront his demons (this is huge considering his need to control everything, and dictate), then she began working on a plan to reestablish her marriage, and save her family. Mrs. Woods/Elin, seems to be the Lady of a lifetime for Tiger. If he blows this he is through in my opinion. You only find a person who will Love you through it all once. She is a wife…..He got married, but she is a WIFE. The bible states “He that findeth a WIFE findeth a good thing.” Mr. Woods……………You have a good thing…………..Repair yourself, and Love that woman/your WIFE. To heck with Golf, records, fame, and us Golf Fans. Your WIFE needs her husband, and your kids need their father. Phil, and the guys can hold it down while you’re gone, and we can get a life. Stay home!!!!!!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 20, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions
Ok, who are you and what have you done with F's & G's?????
While Elin seems to fit the “profile” of Tiger’s conquests, I don’t believe for a moment that this was his motivation for pursuing her. She was introduced to Tiger by Parnivik, because Parnivik thought Tiger was an upstanding man and Elin was an upstanding women. I don’t think Tiger would ever want to marry any of the “trash” he strayed with…..those were probably fantasy fulfillment, where Elin is reality. I don’t believe that Tiger would do this “addiction” thing for image and is only doing it because he sincerely wants to save his marriage….no matter who suggested or demanded it. I applaud his efforts (if sincere) and hope they live “happily ever after”.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
she is certainly proving to be formidable, but when they met, i think his pursuit probably started with “she is exactly my type”, and that isn’t the motherly type. She has proven to be more than he deserves. I too wish them well, and you too my disagreeable golfite. Play well, and stay well.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 20, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
You’d have a point, but those text messages one of his gals released kind of contradict that.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
This will good for him
I strongly believe Tiger will come out on the other side of this stronger and more importantly, a better man. As far as golf goes, I see him picking up right where he left off whenever he decides the time is right to return. I wish him and his family well.
Roll Tide !!
I hope he rehabilitates himself from the inside out. It’s not about his image, or persona anymore. The judges have ruled, and the jury has gone home. There is peace in not having to be something you aren’t. If he decides to resume his career. Things may be simplified. Play the game he loves, meet his obligations, then hurry home to his family. Simple. I wish him well as a man, golf is way down the list from now on. If he never strikes another shot; fine. His golfing ledger is full. His highlight reel is stuffed. TGC has enough Tiger coverage to span a month. Go home, and be a husband and Father. Find God in this lifetime, find humility, find peace. Life is short.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 20, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Picking up where he left off !
That’s rich ! He’s just destroyed his family , his image and he’s just gonna come back on Tour as if nothing happened. Good Lord T,….get real ! If,…and it’s a damn BIG “IF”, his marriage survives, it’ll take more than a couple weeks in rehab and your wave of the magic wand for him to pick up anything. I don’t see Elin taking him back after what he’s done. That would accelerate him back to playing sooner,but he’s gonna face such scrutiny from the press, fans and the Tour that it will be mind boggling. Waaay too much pressure on him. If Elin hangs around, triple the scrutiny. TW will always be looking over his shoulder. No way, dude. I want to see him play, but “he’s gonna pick up where he left off”???? That’s just laughable. He’s gonna face pressure/adversity like we’ve never seen before. Nobody could perform well under those circumstances. Plus, it’s gonna be there for the rest of his career, thanks to the sleaze mags always snooping for dirt. They’ll make up shit because they’ve discovered that TW is a cash cow for their industry. He’ll never stand up to that sort of pressure. I hope he truly changes,…but I just don’t think he can………………………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Tiger will be fine
I don’t mean to imply things will be easy for Tiger, just saying he’ll weather this storm and come out on the other side better for it.
Roll Tide !!
Keep the faith Tigerhead. TW is getting his wake up call, and if he does indeed wake up, then he will be all the better for it. Some people will always have a negative point of view, par for the course, but God………………. I hope Tiger and family will thrive and prosper here forward, but that’s what i hope for everyone. Even the “haters”.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 20, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I Expect Woods Will Be a Bit Of An Anti-Hero To Some
Tiger will certainly have to endure something he has had precious little of so far in his career: catcalls from the gallery.
He has shown a propensity to have rabbit ears on the course already, and he’s been as prickly as Colin Montgomery ever was when it has happened in the past. Now, I honestly expect he will be hearing more of it.
Perhaps he can tune that out. We’ll see. But Woods is going to hear things that will make the guy that called Mickelson “FIGJAM” at last year’s Player’s look like a polite piker.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Tigerhead.
i love that line “picking up right where he left off whenever he decides the time is right”..I can see TIGAR and Tilghman doing the Cialis ads now…..yuk,yuk,yuk….STUB
question is ??
“Will Kelly be ready " to jump the fence, in more ways than one. After all she does live a short distance from the fence surrounding Isleworth and the other reason is..ummm errr..O’h never mind.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
divorce
The divorce rate in the US is around 50%. It doesn’t take much imagination to attribute a high percentage of those divorces to infidelity. Sleeping around is socially acceptable. If it wasn’t there would be a higher price to pay for doing so. If infidelity is a character flaw, then it infects a significant portion of humanity. From a personal perspective, having been the faithful spouse. Even though I was devastated for awhile after catching that [site decorum], neither of us paid a social price for being divorced.
Whatever happens to Mr. and Mrs. Woods’ marriage really isn’t our business, any more than it’s our business what happens to any other marriage in which we’re not directly involved. I think the real character flaw is the tabloid-fueled angst in which this site finds itself.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
If infidelity is a character flaw, then it infects a significant portion of humanity.
Standing in front of God, society and your betrothed and swearing to “forsake all others” and then failing to keep that promise is indeed a character flaw.
IF someone is married and wants to be single, they should have the grace and the class to end the relationship first. It’s not like they tripped and fell into a ditch, it is something that they consciously decide to do, irregardless of whom may be hurt. It says much about a person when they choose their own transient pleasure over keeping a promise and hurting those they claim to love. In essence they are proving that their proclamations of love are simply lies.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say infidelity wasn’t a character flaw, I said it’s socially acceptable.
The only reason we care about this particular instance is because the best golfer in the world is involved. Do you think we’d spend all this time moralizing if it was D.A. Points or Jeff Quinney?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
since there are no negative social concequences for being unfaithful
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
REALLY ? Hmmm – should we start with the obvious ? How about divorce court ? How about body shops where women have decided to play Picasso on a guy’s car…or worse. How about emergency rooms where women AND men end up after a fight over infidelity ? Worse ? How about a morgue ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
those actions are engaged in by peole directly involved
Society as a whole doesn’t sanction someone who is unfaithful in a relationship. If it did, there would be some form of public humiliation, even for the non-famous. Forgiveness (see the other thread) would be unattainable. As it is, once those directly involved get beyond the hurt, everyone moves on with their lives.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
ah – ok – we can go in that direction…people lose their jobs over affairs…friendships ruined…reputations and careers flushed (does the name Jim Bakker ring a bell ?)….
NEXT !
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
exception to the rule
there will always be a few instances you can point to.
Do you have any divorced friends? Was infidelity the reason? Do you shun them?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Diane......once again you are WRONG.
If, by your numbers 50% of marriages end in divorce and most of those are because of “infidelity” of one or both spouses, then that would mean somewhere around 25% to 30% of adults have committed adultery. I would say that many of those would admit that their behavior was socially unacceptable, so that might leave 15% to 20% of adults that believe adultery is socially acceptable……So there you have it….typical liberal thinking that the minority is the majority…..get a clue.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
*IF* I Were Unfaithful To My Wife
…and our friends found out, I would be spending my newly single time (she would surely kick me to the curb) with a lot of former friends. They would rally round her and pretty much deny I existed anymore.
Any social encounters would be an exchange of icy stares and whispers. It would be thoroughly uncomfortable all the way around.
I know it would happen, I have seen it happen to other people (men and women) who have been caught.
And when I say “if” it is completely hypothetical. You see, when you’ve won the lottery, you quit buying tickets. I won the jackpot with my wife.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I’d say it’s socially acceptable, but I get where you’re going with it. It’s not universally frowned upon either. The level of societal disdain is definitely low, but most people would indicate it’s not acceptable, even though they might not choose to look very harshly upon it.
by Double Eagle on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
That’s exactly my point, Mike. Societal disdain is low and the perpetrator is not devalued by anyone other than those closely involved.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Probably a dumb thought – but OMP’s post made me wonder. I don’t remember – did Tiger and Elin have a church wedding ? I know he skipped Sam’s Christening. Tiger’s a Buddhist…which doesn’t have anything to do with the infidelity situation, just the “eyes of god” thought.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Didn’t they get married on a South African game preserve or something like that?
by Double Eagle on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
something like that – my bad – was it performed by clergy or someone in a legal position….or maybe Captain Jack Sparrow ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
When I say “God” I am speaking of what most folks do. Even some civil ceremonies see religious texts (whichever flavor) being used.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
really ? I didn’t know that. I thought civil ceremonies were strictly legal functions with a little romance sprinkled in.
and then there’s the Elvis wedding…
Ok – I’m not asking the question precisely – was God/god invoked during the Nordegren-Woods wedding ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
No idea about Tiger’s wedding. But again, I was speaking in generalities not to their own wedding.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
And I think the real character flaw is that you don’t think that “sleeping around” or marital infidelity is socially unacceptable. It certainly is in my social circle. Gotta love Karma in that the faithful spouse, who doesn’t believe infidelity is socially unacceptable, gets cheated on. God has such an ingenious way of teaching a lesson.
NationalEnquirer.com has a story today on Tiger at the MS sex rehab clinic. Allegedly he entered on Dec 30th and it’s a 6 wk program so he could be back on tour within a month or so. I don’t agree that it is a character flaw to be interested in TW the golfer or TW the married man. As a Christian myself, I believe it is my business to hope and pray that TW does correct his “socially unacceptable” behavior, ie. marital infidelity, and save his marriage.
Would someone go out and buy a copy of this rag and tell us the rest of the story? (FOR THE FULL STORY you won’t find anywhere else including the intimate details of the rigorous and brutal sex counseling AND too see more pix — grab the new ENQUIRER on sale NOW!)
really?
My ex has a better job now than when the infidelity occurred, a new circle of friends and probably doesn’t give the whole episode more than the occasional thought. I sure don’t.
Why do Christians insist on sticking their noses in other people’s business?
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
“Why do Christians insist on sticking their noses in other people’s business?”
My moral code is independent of religion. It is guided simply by right and wrong.
I do not need religion to tell me that murder or stealing are wrong things.
Nor do I need religion to tell me that promising faith and wantonly violating that promise is morally unacceptable and a wrong thing.
by Charles Boyer on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Nibs......I'm not sure what
Diane was reading to cause her “Why do Christians” remark. I see nothing in your post that indicates or warrants her caustic remark. Maybe you can tell me this…Why do liberals insist on being so hateful and destructive of those who they disagree with????
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
Nibs can hope and pray all he wants...
I have no problem with that. But if he told someone how to behave in the name of Christianity, thats where I would draw the line.
So...... you, as a non-believer
can express your opinion based on your moral code, but Christians can’t because you don’t like their moral standard??? Ok, I think I understand…..not!
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
As a non believer, I try to treat others with respect and as I would like to be treated
Thats all. But I’m not telling them my way is the right way, just my way as the song goes. And they are also free to believe, if that is their choice. Christians can express their opinion on their code, but can’t tell me mine is wrong.
I've not seen anyone
say your opinion is right or wrong because you’re a non-believer. A comment was made…….Why do Christians insist on sticking their noses in other people’s business? Maybe the question should be….Why would ANYONE insist on.……
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
"God will judge me"....... in no
way says that your belief is right or wrong. That statement is based on his belief not yours. You could turn that around and say there is no God and no judgment……I wouldn’t agree, but that’s your opinion.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
for a religion whose founder is quoted as saying: “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” (Matt. 7:1), adherents certainly spend a lot of time judging what other people do.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Typical
Please tell me who do any Christians on this blog have the power to pass judgment on???? We can all express our opinions, but that has nothing to do with judgment.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
that’s just it. you have every right to say you disagree, but as soon as you bring your religious beliefs into it you are saying, “god is on my side, the rest of you are f*cked.” if you don’t believe that’s what it sounds like try thinking how you’d feel if a muslim said, “allah is on my side, the rest of you…”
anyway, your personal belief is your personal belief. proselytizing is less socially acceptable than infidelity.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Thanks em66.
Now Easingwold, you say if I told someone how to behave in the name of Christianity, that’s where you would draw the line. That was at 8:52 PST…and then only 17 mins later, you say…“As a non believer, I try to treat others with respect and as I would like to be treated”. You do realize that that is the Golden Rule, espoused by Jesus Christ, or in other words, “in the name of Christianity”? So you can preach, but I, as a Christian, can not? Even though I can’t preach, can I ask a question? How do you live with yourself while being such a big hypocrite?
Nibs.....I leave this in your capable hands.....gotta go play...the sun is shining.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
Nibs...can you read ?
preaching to me about Christ is saying I am wrong as a non believer. I am not saying you are wrong for believing in God, just don’t refer to your belief when addressing me. Hope that is clear enough for you.
why shouldn’t he refer to where his beliefs come from ? it gives you a reference point.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
What?
Being a human being, treating others with respect, wouldn’t happen without a vengeful god? That’s the reference point I take away from you guys.
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wow – lots of bitterness today, D. Why do you assume “vengeful” ? I’m just saying that if someone tells you that their beliefs are from some specific religion or traditional set of beliefs (Buddhism, Taoism, Druid, whatever) – you have at least a general idea of where they are coming from.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
CG, you and I disagree on lots of stuff, but neither of us has ever injected, “As a Christian…” into the discussion. It’s irrelevant and adds nothing. If wearing your religion on your sleeve is the new standard around here maybe it’s time to move on. I can get into just as many arguments at redstate, without the come-to-Jesus meme.
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we agree that it doesn’t add to the debate past a point of reference – but they weren’t proselytizing, just explaining. I wouldn’t run off based on one discussion – this isn’t a constant thing.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
OK, then we can stipulate that em66 and niblic are christian, Easingwold is either atheist or agnostic and the rest of us can declare ourselves once at some future date and leave it at that?
It may not be constant, but I don’t believe it’s a first.
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I don’t recall another thread that got going like this – but I’m sure there have been small injections of religion here and there – and it won’t be the last. Getting all bent out of shape doesn’t solve anything on either side.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I'm atheist
But I have nothing against religion…unless it is used to justify something, war or any other dispute. I don’t impose my atheist views on anyone, so I don’t like being told I will be judged by some God when I die. Bad manners is another. The topic alone is enough, no need to spice it up with some belief just to add wieght to it. In any case, I do love golf ! :)
But it’s not irrelevant…you said…""Whatever happens to Mr. and Mrs. Woods’ marriage really isn’t our business, any more than it’s our business what happens to any other marriage in which we’re not directly involved. I think the real character flaw is the tabloid-fueled angst in which this site finds itself."
…and I replied…
""As a Christian myself, I believe it is my business to hope and pray that TW does correct his "socially unacceptable" behavior, ie. marital infidelity, and save his marriage."
…it is only because I am a Christian, and therefore concerned about Woods’ eternal salvation, that it is my business to hope and pray for Woods and his wife. Which is quite different than your complaint that it is none of my business.
You really don’t get it, dianemarie, as evidenced by your next two replies…
""Why do Christians insist on sticking their noses in other people’s business?"
…and…
“Niblic said it was his godly calling to stick his nose in other people’s lives.”
…I am clearly not sticking my nose in other people’s business and I never said it was my godly(sic) calling to do so.
But I do agree with you on one thing, maybe it is time for you to moveon(.org).
The fact he believes in god if fine.
But when he uses that to add wieght to his point of view above all others, that is over the top.
EZ
I believe suggesting one follow the 10 commandments would be in the name of Christianity. America was founded on Christian beliefs but unfortunately many these days ignore them. Britain too is steeped in religious history and adherence to faith. Am I my brothers keeper ? Somertimes I wish it were that easy to step in and admonish someone making a bad choice. It’s hard to do. I’ve done it a few times, lost a few friends, made a few too. The losses sting though. Anyway, it’s a tough call either way, and takes a lot of courage do. Is it the right thing to do ? Well, according to the Good Book, it is strongly recommended. As I said,….it takes guts. Would Tiger be better off if a Good Samaritan had stepped in ? I believe he would be. Real tough call there. Think Stevie ever thought about it ? Hmmmm……………………………………….Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
to be accurate – it’s Judeo-Christian writing – the 10 Commandments are in the Old Testament. Not all of the early settlers to America were leaving Europe for religious reasons, and a great deal of the English left not to found a “Christian Nation”, but to live somewhere away from the state run church. It’s true that much of our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles – but one of the most important clauses in the Constitution is that the government will not have the authority to establish a state run church – leaving the citizens alone to worship…or not worship…as they choose.
EXCELLENT thought on the “Good Samaritan”. How about Will Smith ? (oh wait – that was just a movie character) Maybe his old friend Mark O’Meara can help him out.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 22, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well done!
Good analysis of history, CG.
Lots of people say that the US was “founded on Judeo-Christian principles.” What principles would you say qualify as Judeo-Christian?
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Is that a serious question ? Our legal system, which came from the English and French systems, is based on most of the 10 Commandments. Most of the people who originally settled America were Christian who lived by Christian principles. Morals and standards are passed from generation to generation. Basing something on solid principles doesn’t mean they are being used to force people to go to church – and you can’t argue the fact that teaching people that stealing and killing, etc are bad things to do.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
yes, i'm serious
Stealing and killing are only two of the ten. If you add don’t bear false witness (perjury) it’s three. None of the remaining seven are enshrined in law because they focus on man’s relationship with God. The legal system has more in common with Magna Carta than the Old Testament.
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Look again – don’t lie, cheat, steal – direct into the legal system. Except for #1, you can learn moral lessons that don’t necessarily have to fall under a church doctrine, but directly affect how people interact in a civil society. And if you want to get into an existential argument, even #1 can be translated into a moral standard…ever heard “look out for #1” ?
I never said 9 of the 10 commandments were our legal system. And it sounds really dumb to say “3 of 10” or “9 of 10” when they are just called “The Ten Commandments”
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
read ALL of what I wrote – I said the English and French systems – and where do you think the Magna Carte got its principles ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Magna Carta is an English document. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
Ancient Greece and the pre-Constantinian Roman empire had civil societies not based on Mosaic law.
My concern is that those Christians who are trying to insert their theology into US law use the fallacy that the country was founded on Christianity (sometimes they’ll add Judeo) as their justification. Civil society has existed throughout history and the Constitution owes more to Magna Carta than Exodus and Leviticus.
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I’m not sure I’m following your point, D. Nobody is denying the relevance of the Magna Carta. But you can’t deny the influence on law of principles that come from Judeo-Christian heritage. I don’t know why you’re trying to argue historical facts. England was a “christian” nation. Nobody says you have to be a Christian to recognize these principles. There was a lot of Roman influence on the Magna Carta as well. The fact is that the English got most of their traditions from Christianity.
I notice you only pick on Christians – why not Muslims ? We have huge numbers of law suits filed by Muslims demanding that businesses and even private citizens change their ways to satisfy their Muslim beliefs.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I’m saying civil society exists in the absence of Judeo-Christian heritage. To imply that it doesn’t ignores history. Traditions are not law, although there are plenty of examples of them being enshrined in statute.
I think the origin of confusion is the fact that during colonial and early post-colonial times many, but not all, of the social structures that formed revolved around the local church.
I’m not picking on Christians, per se. I object the use of religion to justify almost anything outside that specific religious structure. When someone says, “As a Christian…” that person has just admitted to not thinking for him or herself. If your sole frame of reference is what you hear on Sunday morning, I’m sorry.
Iran and Saudi Arabia are theocratic societies. If Muslims (or Christians for that matter) in the US want to live in a theocracy they should move there.
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Where do you think these laws come from ? Way back in their time, the law was always “given from on high”, whether it was a Roman, Greek, Norse, Judeo-Christian, Muslim…yada yada yada….god.
Why would you object to someone stating what they think and connecting it to a religion ? Is that not their right ? Does it affect you one way or another if someone says, “D – you’re going to burn in hell if you don’t stop rolling the ball over in the fairway” ? (I think that’s in the second book of Haggis) :-D
The only place that goes is Pauly in Rocky III when he puts down the neighborhood Rocky goes to train, telling them they have no class and Rocky says “well what if they don’t like you ?” Pauly replies, “what’d I do to them ?” (and you didn’t think Sly was so deep, eh ?) :-D
You have this bizarre idea that ALL Christians are alike and are trying to turn the US into a theocracy. Yes – there are pockets of people in one church or another who think that way, but that’s a small number of people. Just like the Muslims who want to turn the US into a Muslim country and have SAID so over the last 10 years. Or maybe you would prefer a different group who think that THEIR way is the only way ?
When you look at that – then take a little time to read our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence – you’ll see the sheer brilliance of those documents.
Amendment 1 – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court.....
Give it up, you’re just wasting words. But I gotta tell you, after spending half the day with Diane yesterday I realized how much I appreciate my wife, so after golf I took her out to dinner and then went shopping and then went and bought her a new cell phone……all Diane’s ranting cost me close to $500 bucks…..and she still doesn’t get it. Maybe she should listen to Air America an…..oh wait that shut down….I guess she’ll just have to listen to Rush.
Saints are no longer killing me!!!!!!!!
I think the two of them are
incredibly knowledgeable and intelligent, reinforcing the fact that the world ain’t a perfect place and never will be, cuz there’ll always be brilliant differences of opinion.
So get in as much golf as you can.
by TXQ on Jan 22, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Diane. Had to google 8-D to
get its meaning, but good to know that’s it’s not merely five D’s better than 3-D.
I honestly think you and Court (and a few others on this site) could’ve held your own years ago on William Buckley’s Firing Line.
did you find it means something other than…
“8” = the glasses I have to wear to see what I’m doing
“-” = the skinny nose on my face
“D” = the big smile when you suggested em66 spend more time playing golf
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All good answers, but
what I googled/discovered and figured you meant was …
8D is a problem-solving methodology for product and process improvement. It is structured into eight disciplines, emphasizing team synergy.
Nah – D and I butt heads like this a few times a year – it’s never taken personally and if we were in the same part of the country, we could hit the course and have a great time.
(but you’re right – I don’t know how her ego takes these beatings) (ducking) :-D
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you 3's...
it seems even when someone makes a terrible mistake, even his friends can’t tell him. When you may care for someone and suggest they are, and get told to butt out, that can be painfull.
I believe
A lot of the aingst by Joe Public comes from the fact that so many kids looked up to Mr Woods as a role model. I remember seeing commercials for the First Tee and the kids saying, “I want to be just like Tiger.” The parents then proceed to spend boo koo bucks on Nike clubs and gear because of TW and then this happens and they have to explain to the kids what happened. I find it to be a crying shame on the part of the parents that they didn’t just promote the game of Golf as a whole to their kids rather than one individual. It goes back to the ole risk/reward theory of “Eggs in One Basket” TGC fell for it as well.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
that's a valid point, pg
But how dumb is it to make an athlete the role model for your kid’s life? I think it’s perfectly valid if your child wants to hit a golf ball just like Tiger, but a parent didn’t really know anything about any other aspect of his life. That’s a parental issue, not a Tiger issue.
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My point exactly Diane
And it is the parents fault and not TW. In todays society parents spend little one on one time with kids, rather they stick them in front of the TV and buy them violent video games et al. When I was a kid, my Dad spent countless hours with me teaching me how to play golf and teaching me how to box. Today, a lot of parents just stuff the kids in front of the TV and say, "OK now watch Tiger and remember what he does and do it like him when I drop you off at the First Tee. Do they learn much good from watching TW ? Sure they do , but they also learn club throwing and swearing and many other things. Now all the hubub happens and the parents have some sppplaaainin to do. I betcha a lot of kids who blogged on the TW website are devastated that they can no longer write stuff in there and then they go to the local Wal Mart with MOM and DAD and they see Tiger massing the front pages of the tabloids at the checkout counter in a negative light Again, I say it is the duty of the parents to promote the game as a whole and not base the merits on any one individual or you end up with what we have today. A Mess..jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Apart from Tiger's awesome record,
America was short of sporting hero’s in the mid ’90’s in the golf world. He came along, blew away everyone in a sport dominated by non-Americans at the time. Sometimes i think it made him even bigger in the US. Great as he is as a golfer, he is not seen here in the UK as a role model as such.
EZ
Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Wayne Gretzky, Magic Johnson. I think we had a great many hero’s in the 90’s. However, a couple have since fallen from the sky, so to speak. Sports heroes are human and prone to mistakes. The problem in America is sports stars are marketed so aggressivley that they can’t possibly live up the reputation being mfg’d. There are doomed to fail, and when a super star like Woods burns out, it’s like watching a comet burn a slow death. That is TW in Amewrica today. Tomorrow his image could be reborn,thanks to some bright marketing guy, and the whole things starts over again. Only in America ! Too bad there wasn’t a bit more substance behind the legends built over here. You guys have it right…………………………………………..Z.
you're still away,...choke on it !
3's, I meant heros in the golf world...
The others you mentioned were fantastic players in your domestic leagues, not international sport, such as golf. Then, golf was dominated by non Americans, and when Tiger came along, the fact that an American dominated just added more to his stock, as far as American fans were concerned. I agree about the American marketing, but it is getting like that here too. Where theres money to be made…
Hey, Ryan
Do I get a cut of the profits for pumping up the hit count today? 8-)
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Yes, yes you do :)
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
If indeed
the photo was of TW – is there not a law against “invasion of privacy” in US? Even our disgusting muckracking media got stung for damages for printing a photo of a famous model coming out of a drug rehab centre here.
Not that I give two hoots about TW. A one-off regretted infidelity could be forgiven.
Repeated infidelities over such a long period – no chance.
Noooooooo!
Waterlogged! More snow yesterday, more rain tomorrow. T’aint fair. I’ve been perfectly faithful too.
Oh, OK – how did you get on?
you can get even more specific, D. This “clinic” is private property and is supposed to require permission for access. The person who took the picture was either tresspassing or violating privacy rules places like this have for their "patients’ " protection.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Look in the right foreground
That looks like a gate control and a couple of steel/concrete pillars that they put next to things like that to keep people from running them over. The person is probably sitting on a public street looking in.
by Double Eagle on Jan 21, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the overhead picture – there are no public streets going into this place. The compound is back in the woods away from main roads. You have to go onto the property to get to where that picture was taken.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
This one puts a little more perspective on it
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/40847
This one is even better:
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/40850
As I said. The guy was sitting on the street. And clearly the compound isn’t in the woods.
by Double Eagle on Jan 21, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
interesting – that’s not the same compound that I have seen in other pictures. And it’s not the same place as their web site
http://www.pinegrovetreatment.com/
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
flipping through these pictures – there is no way Tiger is at this property. Be serious. The guy lives behind gates and walls – and just a little more on the posh side of things – if he was at this place, it would be surrounded by TV vans by now.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Well, I have no idea whether that’s actually him in that photo, but those photos are of the same place that’s being tossed around. Maybe he went with a “hiding in plain sight” approach. Or maybe that place is highly regarded, if not necessarily posh. Or, maybe that’s not even him. I have no idea.
by Double Eagle on Jan 21, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree – which puts more doubt into my mind that the picture is actually of TW. Just doesn’t fit the profile – and a company with a high profile customer isn’t going to put him/her at risk by putting them in a neighborhood like that.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Geez
They could have at least given him a REAL coffee mug to drink out of rather than that cheezy styrofoam one that he’s holding in the picture.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
maybe they couldn’t come to a sponsorship agreement for the coffee and mugs ? (lol)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Somewhere
I know there is a segway into that sponsorship comment, but I’m to brain dead at the moment to come up with one.
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
Hey Ryan,
don’t giving D any credit for pumping up the count..I did that with my revelation about Elin and the counseling…..I just want to inject one more piece of information here and than I’m done with the whole sordid subject….to the guys, this many come as tough love, but the ladies will know of what I speak….It is a total MYTH guys, that you chose your wife/significant other, etc….Just as in the animal kingdom, the FEMALE decides to whom she will endow her favors….If you men have thought otherwise, you are being sadly misinformed….Ladies, I bow to you….If Elin chose TIGAR and he violated that choice, he is indeed the fool….STUB
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