Quid Pro Quo: President Obama Vouches for Tiger to People
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 12:15 PM EST
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Tiger Woods has been railed throughout his career - particularly in the European press - for taking what seems to be an either apathetic or nonexistent stance on political and social matters. Considering that Woods described he and his wife as boring on his own Web site now leads me to believe otherwise, but I digress.
Woods did show some sign of political conviction when he appeared in Washington, DC, for the festivities celebrating Barack Obama's inauguration. He appeared at an event before the inauguration and gave a speech. Seeing as though that was the first time that Woods really stumped for any politician, that came as a bit of a surprise.
President Obama must have appreciated the gesture because he had Tiger's back in an interview with People magazine - the American magazine most consistently wrong about any details of this whole Tiger thing.
Here's what the CIC had to say:
"I’m a strong believer that anybody can look within themselves, find their flaws and fix them. I’m sure he feels terrible about what happened, and I suspect that he will try to put his life back together again."
Considering that Obama referred to Kanye West as a "jackass" after his Swift-boating at the MTV Music Video Awards, I'd call this an outright endorsement.
And who says that Tiger doesn't know how to play politics?
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"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
You’re confusing me, RB. How is this an “endorsement” or “vouching” for Woods ? Saying that he believes that someone can get their act together…ok…I’ll use Barry’s favorite word…“change”…for the better is encouragement.
Barry’s a golfer and a Woods fan – it shouldn’t be too big of a surprise that he is pulling for Woods to get things worked out.
Tiger’s appearance at the inauguration festivities (where Barry was nowhere to be seen) was interesting in that he didn’t say anything in support of Obama and what he had in store for all of us – he said his father would have been happy that a “person of color” was in the White House, then he put his endorsement and appreciation for the armed forces because of his Dad.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
That’s a good point you brought up about Tiger’s speech and how apolitical it turned out to be. Kind of curious that Obama’s response to people was pretty generic, but not condemning of Woods’ behavior.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, after the election but prior to the inauguration...
…came this:
“I think it’s absolutely incredible,” Woods told CNBC. “He represents America. He’s multiracial. I was hoping it would happen in my lifetime. My father was hoping it would happen in his lifetime, but he didn’t get to see it. I’m lucky enough to have seen a person of color in the White House.”
When asked by the cable news outlet how his father Earl would have reacted to Obama’s election as the 44th President of the United States, Woods didn’t hesitate.
“He would have cried. Absolutely. No doubt about it.”
Not really political, but as close as I’ve seen Tiger come to getting political.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
And it amazes me that these same people claim to believe the words of Martin Luther King Jr where the depth of a person’s character was more important than the color of his skin…and what is the only thing that comes up ? the color of Barry’s skin.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
That's a fair point.
But at the same time, there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the crossing of a very significant threshold.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
also true – but it is also the fallback position against anyone who dares disagree with him – if you disagree, it HAS to be because of the color of his skin.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Well, that's the fallback position...
…of the intellectually lazy. And it’s most often taken by upper-middle class white folks who would tell you that “[they’re] not racist! [They] have lots of black friends!”
In this regard I prefer right-wing racists. At least they’re honest with themselves and each other about it.
Can you tell that I have little patience remaining for the so-called left and the so-called right? Whiny-ass-titty-babies all.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
Court
I gotta totally agree with you, regards the philosophy of MLK. He was a great American imo. I respect what he stood for. The phonies that have tried to replace him are fools, ala Al Sharpton et all. BHO’s comment puts a lot of pressure on Woods. I mean, how does TW implode his marriage when the POTUS has faith in TW to change ? That’s pressure ! Woods will just say Elin wouldn’t take him back and pay her off so he can get back to golf. A few hundred million oughta make her happy. He’ll be back at Bay Hill and Doral, to prep for the Masters. I don’t think he gives a damn about changin. Pres. Obama has misjudged him, but so have millions over the years.
you're still away,...choke on it !
Well i tried....
to avoid this article, but i will have to jump in here. TW’s comments when the President was elected spoke to Obama’s Multi-Racial culture. Which Woods shares with the President. Yet, immediately his words are mis-construed here. You see both of these men because of the prejudices of our eyes, are asked to ignore their multi-ethnic heritages. Because of the Color of their skin they are told “you’re a black man”. Well in either of their cases this would be dismissive of their Mother’s side of their Heritage. And in the President’s case, it’s the only side of his heritage he had a chance to know as a youngster. This has less to do with MLK, and more to do with an ongoing social ill in our society. When we can judge each other with no regards to race, or ethnicity then we will be where Dr. King dreamed we could be. Woods in the above article was asked directly what his father’s response would be to Obama’s election, and he answered directly. It was, after all a monumental, and historic day, not only because of the race of President Obama, but because America elected him regardless of that race. Now i hate to point out certain things, but i will………The Great State of Arizona, where golf is good, and the sun shines bright, also was very late in hopping aboard the DR. King Holiday train. Matter of fact it wasn’t until Jan. 18 1993 that a King Holiday was celebrated state wide in the great state of Arizona. Also, Senator John McCain, yes that Senator McCain voted against a King holiday in 1983 along with the other three AZ. House Republicans. Some of the energy of the people of that great state, was focused on keeping him off the Holiday list. So now today (DR. King’s) Birthday, is a wonderful time to speak of his dream. I believe he would be pleased that a man of mixed race could rise to the highest office in the land. I also believe he would be saddened that we the people of this great country can’t get over our collective ‘isms. I think he would be pleased that a woman was able to nearly win her parties nomination for president of the United States, as i am sure he would be pleased that we have Ladies holding some of our countries highest posts based on merit, more than sex. I see the names of Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton linked with the Civil Rights causes of today, but shouldn’t all races and creeds be fighting for Social equality, whether it be by race, or sex. Why in 2010 do we still need organizations like the EEOC, and NAACP, and AFL-CIO. We have a way to go in our Country, but Dr. King’s Dream can still be realized. If we ever truly get there, well that, would make me cry.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
A few good points – but pretty one sided. F&G – you get on us, yet you ignore the fact that millions of people voted for Obama BECAUSE of the color of his skin…which is the opposite of what MLK taught. We’re the ones who are saying that the dangers of Obama have nothing to do with the color of his skin. It’s the Obama supporters who scream “racist” when someone disagrees with anything he says. You’re pointing your finger at the wrong people. Are there racists in this country ? Definitely – except that most people don’t know what a racist is, and they don’t understand that racism, bigotry, and prejudice are different thing – but the “racism” card isn’t used for racism anymore – it is used as a political hammer to get weak minded people to go along with whatever is on the table for fear of the label.
Arizona didn’t balk on the MLK Day and street renaming because of MLK – they voted against being forced to go along by the Federal Government. I have no problem with that – and neither should you. In fact, you should be pleased to know that Arizona is willing to stand up to Washington because they are going to be telling Obama where he can stick his “health care” nonsense.
Better take another look at the EEOC, NAACP, and AFL-CIO’s of the world. Corrupt political organizations are never going to do anything to help realize MLK’s dream, because these organizations make billions of dollars by keeping people apart.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court
Very good points. I might suggest that AZ wasn’t late gettin’ on the BHO express, most here in AZ didn’t like what he stood for. ‘Change you can believe in"???. How’s that working out for y’all ! Just another politician like all the rest. Say anything to get elected and do whatever it takes to stay there. Some change, huh ? Not many in these parts believed him.
you're still away,...choke on it !
I didn’t say AZ was late with anything – I think AZ is way ahead of this mess. A state legislature that is willing to stand up for itself against this onslaught is an inspiration to the rest of us who may or may not be able to get free thinking people in office who understand what is going on in Washington.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The national MLK Holiday
was an onslaught. You were inspired because you thought the National King Holiday was part of an onslaught. Come on now, did you understand what was going on in Washington when we started a war in Iraq based on a bunch of lies. Did you understand what was going on in Washington when there was no true response to Katrina and the levee breaking in New Orleans? Or the financial and housing meltdown under the bush admin.? Help me with your thought process.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Was the.....
McCain/Palin ticket a furthering of the Bush onslaught?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
You call these things “lies” because you choose to start your thought process in 2000 and ignore the facts that during the Clinton administration, BOTH sides of the aisle in this country, plus just about every country in the UN knew that Iraq had massive weapons stores including nuclear materials.
Do YOU understand that the president was the LAST in the line of responsibility for what happend after Katrina ? Do YOU realize that the mayor was supposed to get people out – not the president ? Do YOU realize that the national guard ISN’T under the control of the president but the GOVERNOR of the state ? Do YOU realize that every state group that SHOULD have acted didn’t ? Do YOU realize that as soon as the state showed that they weren’t going to act, the president had already sent help ? Do YOU realize that people from all over the country were gearing up to help ? Do YOU realize that you can’t just snap your finger and fix the ignorance of people who REFUSED to follow the escape plans that were set up ? Do YOU realize that there were thousands of buses set up to get people out of town that ended up under water because ignorant people in New Orleans refused to follow the instructions ? Do YOU realize that things that happened in the Superdome shouldn’t have happened, but the ignorant people of the area didnt’ bring food and water as they were instructed – yet a number brought guns ? Do YOU realize that the levee was built 60 years earlier and if you’re going to point a finger at Bush, you also have to point fingers at Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, LBJ, JFK……..
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Remember the scuds?
Iraq was never the threat to us that Al Qaeda is. Saddam had no idea where the scuds would land. Do you remember that. Here’s the truth. The reason the administration had to trump up the WMD stories. Is there was no justifiable reason to attack. Therefore, the Phony intel, and made up paranoia. Remember? Yes both sides were duped, but not the current President. Katrina and the Levee breaking happened. Yes, plenty of blame to go around, but once it happened. Those people needed emergency right now help. No time for wasting. What you are saying in so many (how many times did you use ignorant?) words is. We told you to get out, so now you are on your own. Sincerely, the PRESIDENT. Now i see your point. You should’ve left, so we’ll take our time coming to your aid. You should have knows that the levee would break, so we’ll come whenever. People not evacuating, so i won’t do my job. Is this your position here Court. We are denying you federal aid; because you didn’t evacuate. Your ignorance is the reason we will leave you there to die…..Very Presidential. Do you want to continue defending the Bush (residency)?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong again. Remember a little skirmish in Kuwait when Hussein went on the attack and had to be beaten back into his own country ? He signed these papers called SURRENDER accords. In those papers were condtions and a lot of those conditions were for inspection teams that were supposed to have complete access to anywhere they thought would have weapons. Ringing any bells ? Probably not – this FACT was conveniently forgotten when a democrat didn’t win the election. During the Clinton years, the existence of those weapons was never in doubt. Only when Bush took office did they become a myth. And that was after 12 years of inspectors being jerked around by Hussein. 12 YEARS.
You’re looking at New Orleans after Katrina with 20/20 hindsight and making your judgements. YES – there is a chain of command in a disaster – and the president is not at the front of that line. Why is this so difficult for you to understand ?
It’s pretty easy to point fingers at the guy you don’t like – even if what he did wasn’t wrong. Were you expecting Bush to hop in the car and head over to WalMart to pick up water ? You didn’t like what happened because of who was in office.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I think it looks unbelievable
to the outside world that the USA, the richest nation on earth, with all that power,couldn’t tear through the crap of it’s own system and save New Orleans, one of it’s own cities. I’m surprised not many seems that ashamed.
understand the story before you make your accusations
Eas – do you have the ability to control the weather in the UK ? If the people there refuse to move out of the way of an impending disaster – do you FORCE them to leave or do you let them choose ? Take a look at the scope of your accusation. Take a crapload of money and throw it at a hurricane and you know what you get ? A lot of wet money. You’re also assuming that people in the US WANTED one of our great cities to get rolled over by that storm.
You’re also forgetting that New Orleans wasn’t the only area that got destroyed. What you DO hear are the people who refused to help themselves even a little bit. There are cities all along the gulf coast that were devastated, but they didn’t whine and cry to the government – they got busy rebuilding.
Do you realize that New Orleans is a safer city today than before Katrina because a lot of the criminal element moved to places like Houston, Memphis, Atlanta, etc. The police here in Atlanta were overwhelmed with new crime that came from New Orleans.
Do you realize that there are STILL people leaching off of the good graces of people in other places ? There are STILL people living in hotels at taxpayer expense. One of the things Barry O did in his first quarter in office was to extend payouts to people who haven’t done the first thing for themselves since the storm.
These are not the same quality of people who lived through the bombings in England during WW II and rebuilt afterwards.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
The people sometimes need leadership court..
I was not talking of controling the weather…just the Government rebuilding the damage after it struck. I’m not interested in your crime…every city in the world has that. And I was not talking about a crapload of money. I was talking about action. You tell me now that going in to the Gulf coast with everything the US could muster up at the time and help everyone who lost everything was more difficult than marching into Baghdad. To compare these people to a so called higher quality people of England in WW2 is daft. We had looting and crime back then…it didn’t get reported like it does now.
how convenient...
…just pick and choose the parts of the whole that concern you. In the US, we have this thing called personal property. The owners of the property are supposed to take care of things. If you want to point fingers, point them in the right direction. What action did you propose that didn’t require money ? Katrina and Badhad ? The two things have nothing to do with each other.
Oh REALLY – stiff upper lip and all that – you mean you had human beings in London during WW II ? Amazing.
Hmm – I think I’ll sit around tonight and come up with wild accusations and crazy solutions for England…and you’d tell me that “that’s not how things are done here.”
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
All I am saying, court, is that to us over here
the political machine that is America was slower in dealing with disasters at home, that sending over troops to Iraq…
you’d be incredibly wrong thinking that. do I need to remind you of those two really tall buildings that used to be in New York City ? You’re trying to say that the 3 days it took FEMA to get cranked up is longer than it took to organize troops and get to Iraq. ANY idea how ridiculous that thought is ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Baghdad was done years ago...
40% of the US population owns half a % of the country…and it’s not because they are lazy people, leeching off the state.
I was ashamed.....
I was ashamed at the Abu Ghraib ordeal, Guantanemo Bay, Walter Reed. et al., but not everyone agrees. Now with the Haitian disaster, you will see what Presidential leadership is. This isn’t Bush, and I am thankful for that.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
are you ashamed of the muslim terrorists who cut off the heads of their captives ? are you ashamed of the mustlim terrorists who strap bombs onto women and children and march them into open markets ? are you ashamed of Barry who wants to bring terrorists into the United States ?
be serious – we’re already longer past the earthquake and Barry hasn’t done anything. By this time, there were all kinds of aid heading to New Orleans. I notice you only care about New Orleans and not the rest of the gulf coast that didn’t demand that the government do everything for them.
you DO realize that Haiti isn’t part of America…don’t you ? It isn’t Barry’s place to do anything – but America will lead the world in helping – you can count on that.
Presidential leadership – give me a break.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court, I say again..
your country has 4.7% of the worlds population, yet 25% of it’s wealth, don’t you feel kind of obliged ?
Why should be be obliged?
Are we obliged to send military to every part of the world where people are oppressed and free them? Are we obliged to feed every poor individual?
The fact is, as a whole, the United States is the most charitable nation in the world and it will continue to be so throughout this Haiti situation and throughout whichever disasters face the world.
And yet that’s still the case despite the fact that no one is obliged to help. Our government has incurred a huge cost in helping Haiti which it has no right to do. The people will take it upon themselves to help in every imaginable way and will devote more time, money, and resources than any other nation in the world.
by Double Eagle on Jan 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Come off it DE...you know we in the West exploit the rest of the world to our own ends...survival of the fittest etc.
You send your military to every corner of the world because you want to safegaurd the oil supply is the middle east. As 75% of your energy needs are now imported, thats understandable.
For the record
I don’t agree with that type of policy but I’m not going to apologize for it. When we invaded Iraq, I supported it, but I believe I was wrong to do so. On the other hand, I also believe we should have leveled Afghanistan and dropped leaflets saying that we’d be doing it again as soon as we hear that al Qaeda is back in the neighborhood, as opposed to what we tried to do there.
And that’s not what we were talking about. We were talking about some sort of implicit obligation that comes with being a wealthy nation.
by Double Eagle on Jan 15, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I was saddened when the President stopped actively pursuing terrorist, and instead turned Iraq into a terrorism proving ground. Leaving Al Qaeda to regain strength, and continue with it’s terrorism. I was saddened when our troops were being blown up by roadside bombs while our President proclaimed that the battle was over, and the War won. Yes Easing….we should feel obliged, and we should expect better. Hopefully, the current Administration can restore some of the Goodwill that was lost during the previous whatever that was.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's sad...
…when people feel guilty about things that they have no business feeling guilty about. That’s why you feel obliged to "do something". And that’s why our president feels obliged to apologize for America on a consistent basis.
I’m not ashamed that I was born in a free and prosperous nation and I don’t feel that because I’m fortunate in that regard that I owe anything to anyone. I will contribute to the charitable causes that I feel moved to help, not because I’m obliged but because I feel that they need my help. I don’t appreciate the government making that choice for me.
by Double Eagle on Jan 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Court
I’m a veteran and an active one at that, and i’ve looked into these soldiers eyes, and seen what they
’ve been through, and their pain, and all i can say to them is you did your best young people. They know that Iraq was BS, but they followed orders. They have lost much in the war, and for them to come home, and have to go to a hospital like Walter Reed, was disgraceful. For them to have lost limbs, and been scarred for life inside and out because the President chose to lie to them, and all of us, well I sympathize with the Troops immensely. War is bad enough, but unjust war is just insanity. These kids give there all and to have been lied to is to me criminal.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
The armed forces always pay the price for politics
always has and always will, I wish there were a better way, but there dosen’t seem to be in this world.
Ok – we’re back to the “Bush lied” nonsense. You have no interest in what was said before 2000. Facts don’t matter.
You correctly point out that those guys deserved better medical care after what they did. And Bush was making calls to Walter Reed to tell doctors to give them crappy care….right ? The armed forces under Bush are the only soldiers who have ever not recieved great medical care from war injuries ? Do you have any idea how nuts that is ?
How about the other soldiers who came back telling their stories about freeing people from Hussein ? About all the appreciation the Iraqi people have for our service people ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court.....I just got in from the course...
You have done a great job trying to explain the truth to F’s & G’s, and Easing, but you have to realize that it’s not about facts, but about hatred and the desire to destroy Bush. Bush has so much class….after Katrina, he could have crucified Blanco and Nagin, but he didn’t and the media blamed him for everything. I live in Louisiana and I can tell you our leaders screwed it up. Thankfully Bush had relief supplies ready or it would have taken even longer than it did. Our Governor refused federal help and the Mayor did a terrible job implementing the evacuation plan. All your points were correct…..there were opportunities to leave, but the people chose to stay. F’s&G’s is dead wrong on this.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
DAMN ! I knew there was something wrong with my approach.
good round ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Good playin em…. you’re on form.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Court......My son-in-law was in the
National Guard during Katrina. They were told to be ready to go to NO, but by the time they got the order it was too late. Our Governor never recovered from Katrina and didn’t even run for re-election. Nagin was re-elected.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
hate to keep stomping on a burnin’ Bush, but Abu Ghraib? Walter Reed? Stop-Loss? For soldiers of the Iraq war, these are sore soldiers indeed. Any opinions on these Bush legacy items?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
sore subjects.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ok......using your reasoning, then
Barry is totally responsible for Fort Hood, and the attack in Arkansas, and how about the undies terrorist……Also just heard the greatest line…..If the healthcare package is soooooooooo good, why do they have to keep bribing Dems into supporting it……Nelson, the Louisiana Purchase-Landrieu and now the unions and many others…..must be a great deal!!! lol lol lol. I mean, the people love it sooooo much, Massachusetts is going to elect a Republican to replace teddy. Barry is a moron.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
is that an answer?
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ok. one at a time.
Stop-loss….You know I’m going home next week. I served my time……er…..no son you can’t go, and we don’t know when you can leave. Sorry.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
F's......There's no answer, or is there
anything I can say that will satisfy your hatred of Bush. It’s sad that it totally consumes you, but that’s your problem. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and ask yourself how you could have that much hatred within you.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
oh stop....
i love dubya….he allowed the country a moment of clarity, and got us all back on the right track. Dubya elected Obama, with Palin’s help. I don’t hate W at all. I didn’t like his presidency, and i’ve listed the reasons why. I liked Josh Brolin in the movie though.W The man i wish him well. I’m really more upset at our people for electing him in the first place, but that’s the American way. sooo
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 15, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
F's....It would much easier to take you
seriously if you would quit saying such stupid things. Everyone in the country knows that McCain would have been beaten much worse, had it not been for Palin. Now, I can agree that frustration with W helped barry, but, your credibility goes to zero when you add the Palin bit. By the way, Palin is not going anywhere, so you may want to get some medication for that ulcer forming in your gut. lol
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
em, court, thats what I was trying to say..
I was talking about the system…the chain of command or whatever you would call it looked over here as though they couldn’t make their minds up. All I was saying is that you think the President could brush all that aside in an emergency.
Eas – you still haven’t said what you thought he could have done any better than was done. The people were warned to get out. They were then given a bus ride out of town, but nobody took the escape and the busses ended up underwater and unused. The National Guard that was SUPPOSED to be ramped up by the governor wasn’t. You seem to think that Bush could just snap his fingers and make things just appear.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
F's & G's and Easy....
Except for 11 years in Denver, I have lived all of my adult life in Louisiana. I can honestly say that LA is the equivalent of a 3rd World country. Massive government dependence after generations of entitlement mentality. No incentive to achieve or do anything for themselves. Part of the problem in N.O. was the “cry wolf” syndrome….they’ve been warned year after year to prepare for the “big one” only to have it veer away at the last moment, sparing the city. Another large group of mostly gangs was waiting for the opportunity to loot, which happened even in the flooding. Lastly most of them were just too lazy get up and get out. This was not Bush’s fault, but the fault of a system of entitlement that requires nothing, for something. We have that in golf…..it’s called the “gimme”.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
you say “cry wolf” syndrome, then you say too lazy to get out…..It was the perfect storm my man. The hurricane stayed on course, and the levee broke of course….Now in the aftermath. YOUR President, and his appointees, failed to act in a decisive, and effective manner. They admitted as much themselves. Again i must say. Your President didn’t lead in a time of crisis. You blame the Mayor. (how silly is that), and the Governor, whom you say are totally dependent on national assistance, but the truth is. Washington failed to respond after the disaster happened. First thing you do is help VICTIMS. This wasn’t politics, it was a disaster. You of all people know how things work in LA. The world watched as an American city was washed away, then tthey saw the President and our leaders failure to act. That’s what easing saw, and the rest of the world too.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
You saw what
the media wanted you to see. And unlike Obammmmma, Bush is a man of class and never would have blamed someone else. You choose not to acknowledge the fact that Bush had massive amounts of aid deployed and ready to move in before Katrina hit, but respected the States Governor and did not usurp her powers by moving against her wishes. The problem after the levee broke was getting into the city. All roads to downtown NO were under water. You are dead wrong on this, but you just keep on drinking the kool-aid the media gives you.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
that is rhetoric, and you know it. There was a disconnect, between the White House, and the country. That instance just illustrated it in dramatic fashion. I never saw the compassion that Mr. Bush : D felt he needed to highlight when he was running for President. Alas, we will eternally disagree..so……
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.....left wing media
rhetoric, hell-bent on destroying Bush from day one. You want to talk about disconnect….look at barry’s job approval numbers…..terrible, and those who don’t want his HC reform….close to 70%….Now that is disconnect on a grand scale.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
F&G – you’re showing how little you know about how this country works. You think it’s the FEDERAL govrenment’s job to fix every problem.
It WAS the mayor’s job to take action. It WAS the governor’s responsibility to do her job – neither one did a good job. (but hey – at least we now have a shot at a “chocolat New Orleans” – still one of the funniest lines I have ever heard – and yet if a white mayor had said “vanilla” – all hell would have broken loose)
You said that it was a “perfect storm” – so you admit that what happened couldn’t have been predicted – yet you seem to think that Bush could have just snapped his fingers and made it all go away.
That’s not reality.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
because of the severity of the situation, i hoped the President would have taken extraordinary measures to help a city and people in need. I think the argument you and em have put forth is the, what did you call them ? “ignorant people” didn’t leave, so it was on them theory . But, here you and em disagree, because as he mentioned the “cry wolf” syndrome existed. So those people had heard this song before, and were going to ride the storm out. But this was more than a hurricane, it was the catastrophic levee break which doomed New Orleans. No Mayor, not even Rudy Giuliani is ready for these type of conditions, (see 911) so stop with the mayor nonsense please, and as em stated the Governor had already been in gimme gimme mode, so the only hope those people had was for the leader of the “free” world to step up and be a President, well we all know how it turned out. As our foreign visitors on this site have pointed out to you, the lost Bush legion. Your president failed Americans again. Thus the legacy he left behind.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
are you saying that they SHOULDN’T have left ? They were BEGGED to leave ! This was no regular hurricane – they had a couple of days to get on the bus and get out of town.
I still don’t see where you’re living in reality. Just how are you proposing that the federal forces could have been in there any faster than they were ?
Just admit that you hate Bush and it doesn’t matter how good a job he did, it wouldn’t have been good enough for you.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
as i told em. Bush was the catalyst for change. He gave this country a wake up call with his bumbling, and terrible leadership. I don’t put it on him totally, as i know Dick Cheney was the puppet master, but Bush was awful in the lead role. Now that he has departed Washington i wish him the best. He just never should have been the President. Now that’s my opinion, and last i checked i was entitled to it. But please elaborate on the good job he did. As i must have missed something. Tell me one arena he excelled in during his residency. No i didn’t mis-type!!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
his bumbling – according to the media. Bush was a target from the day he was elected. The ONLY time he had the media on his side was the time right around 9/11. He was called names constantly – very mature, by the way – typical of the left to resort to name calling. His degrees were dismissed while Barry is the smartest man on the planet – yet he has never had a private sector job.
You will never find a post where I said that Bush was a great president – but you only want to believe the crap spewed in the media and ignore the rest of the story. You ignore the Iraqi people who celebrated us getting rid of Hussein. You ignore the rampant deficite spending done by the democrats during those years.
I suppose you want to ignore the job Bush did following the attacks on New York and Washington.
Here’s the problem – you’re playing partisan games. I have never said Bush was a great president – but he wasn’t what you say. You think I’m against Obama because he’s a democrat – and once again – you would be wrong. I’m against Barry because he is anti-American. He spent a TRILLION DOLLARS inside of a month. His budget planned to spend SIX TRILLION more. He takes little dates with the wife that cost us millions. He has lied about being “transparent”. He has lied about his past. And he continues to lie about what his health care bill will do.
Why do you refuse to see this guy for what he is ?
Oh – did you just happen to miss his appropriation bill for a RECORD amount of money to go to war in Afghanistan ? Let me remind you about that country – those people beat back the SOVIET UNION.
Where’s the cry of “war monger” now ?
Did you miss the promise Barry made this week to rebuild Haiti ? Amazing – now he wants to put a few hundred billion TAXPAYER dollars into that drek of a country. Where’s your call for responsible spending now ?
Where is your outrage when Barry grants special tax dispensations to Unions over the rest of the tax paying public ? Where is your outrage over the government stepping over the Constitution and taking ownership of private businesses ?
Screw Bush – Screw Clinton. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON NOW.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
One government inherits the last ones mistakes...and visa versa.
History affects us to this day. The Yugoslav civil war in ‘92 was a direct result of WW1. Whatever anyone thinks of Bush, Clinton, Reagan, whatever they did in the past affects what Obama does now. One can’t just dismiss the past.
I read somewhere
That in order to use Saudi bases in the first Gulf war the West couldn’t go to Baghdad. Therefore, Saddam slipped through the net. After 9-11, the mood changed and we went in, WMD or not. Between the two conflicts, Saddam of course murdered many in his country and that was reason enough. The reason oil puts a cynical stamp on it all is we (the West ) didn’t go into Rwanda…no oil, no matter.
I for one,
don’t want to hear about TIGAR and politics…I WANNA HEAR ABOUT HE AND HIS HOs…He didn’t say anything,of substance which was his mantra at all press conferences..Is this supposed to keep the TIGAR watch alive? bad Ryan, bad…I agree with Court again….dammm, that twice now…Jumpin ..enjoy the show, but it’s all right you missed the picks…you weren’t going to win anyway…hahaha….I was watching the food channel last evening for lack of something better to do, when they showed a “throw down” with Bobby Flay (a chef) and a lady in Maine who owns and runs a place called THE BRASS COMPASS CAFE…she is an ol timey Lobsterman…her son still runs the boats…Anyhoo, she did a LOBSTER CLUB SANDWICH that looked to die for…Know anything about her?…STUB
Obama? Not again Ryan!
You seem to take a sadistic pleasure in this. On another article you said, like it or not this Woods thing is not over, or words to that effect. You’re certainly doing your share to make sure that’s true.
Actually, Tiger’s doing his fair share to make sure of that. I’m not going to get into this debate again, but we’ll leave it at that.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Tiger News of the Day
“Tiger Woods is “doing something amazing,” according to a tweet from Def Jam co-founder Russell Simmons. A follow-up tweet says, “I heard tiger woods donating to send a cargo plane with a mobile hospital out there. Keep our prayers high!” (Scroll down for screengrabs of the tweets.) Haiti, of course, is suffering from a tragic earthquake that has claimed between 45,000 and 50,000 lives, according to some estimates"
hadn’t heard that – pretty cool – not to mention that if it’s true, it’s pretty consistent with the way he’s done most of his charitable giving – behind closed doors without public fanfare.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yeah, I’m never going to slam how Tiger has done his charitable work. Not flashy or pleading for praise. Just doing it like it is his duty.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Got a link for me?
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
sorry about that….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/tiger-woods-haiti-hospita_n_423391.html
…I just couldn’t make myself quote the Huffington Post…lol
ps. to courtgolf: I’m not disagreeing with your premise that TW has done most of his charitable work behind closed doors, just that this isn’t an example of that. I was not behind closed doors to get this information, I simply googled TW and it came up on the top of about 1000 entries. It just goes to prove that even when you’re right, you’re wrong
don’t be so hard on yourself, nibs…you got it from secondary sources – you can’t put together a hospital team and aircraft in total secrecy – and you didn’t get the information on TigerWoods.com. He wasn’t out tooting his own horn. Other people put out the report.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I’m trying to get confirmation on this, so stay tuned
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by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 14, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope this is true.
Not because it could do anything to rehab Tiger’s image, but because the people of Haiti need all the help they can get. This is as bad as anything I’ve seen in this hemisphere (western) in my lifetime. In my memory, the only thing that comes close is maybe the Mexico City quake in the mid-80s.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
Scratch that.
The official death toll in Mexico City was just over 10,000. This is vastly worse.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
it’s better than it was yesterday. all kinds of reports of a death toll approaching 500,000. (I was surprised that there were so many people in Haiti – didn’t know they had over 4 million citizens)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
And they've spent most of the last century...
…living in extreme poverty and under brutal repression. As if day-to-day life wasn’t already bad enough, they get hit with this. God help them.
"...it is well to remember that to miss a putt is not a criminal offense and does not prevent a man from being an excellent husband, father, and citizen." - Bernard Darwin
Whoa! Dueling death tolls...
I was surprised there are (or were) 40,000 Americans in Haiti. My cousin did some missionary work there not long ago. He said vast amount of goods would stay at the airport and Harbor until the right politican was paid off to authorize its movement. There’s not only abject poverty, there’s rampant government corruption. The worst of both worlds!!
yep – same thing happens in Africa all the time. we send millions of dollars of food to Ethiopia, only to have it cut off by the government and sold to other countries. and we still have elected officials praising the government of Haiti.
What IS it with the death toll ? The first 3 days, it was up to 500,000 dead…then it was 40-50,000…now it’s 200,000. There are stories of mass graves with no documentation. Seems like nobody really knows what’s going on down there.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Hey Ping,
doesn’t poverty always go hand in hand with political corruption or a brutal, iron fisted government???…This is their main way to control the population…and make no mistake, the governments (many) of Haiti have been both for several years…STUB
pretty close – not necesarily poverty, but dependence. the more people have to depend on the government, the more control they have. taxes are used to modify behavior, as are benefits. (raise taxes on cigarettes to “discourage” smoking because it’s bad for you – but build government programs on the higher revenue brought in by…raising taxes on cigarettes – government reasoning)
think about it – what is the one thing that will give the goverment ultimate control over people ? Health care. If you have to depend on what they say you’re allowed and not allowed to have, you’re going to do whatever they say.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
So, Court, does this remind you of a country near and dear to our hearts???
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
too many, sad to say. Which one are you thinking about ? we’re headed that way…fast.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Us.....Obammmmaland. Get ready for the United States of Obama
It’s real scary depending on the Liberals in Massachusetts to save us from Health care reform. Dems outnumber Repubs 3 to 1, yet Brown is leading by 4 points right now. Why doesn’t barry see this and the other polls and understand we don’t want his reform….sheer arrogance.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Why didn’t the last administration see that their failures were going to lead to change…….sheer ignorance. You are condemning Healthcare reform, even though our current system is total mess. We need reform in healthcare, and i’m glad our Leadership is moving forward with it. There is no reason for 47 million Americans many of which are children to be without affordable healthcare, or insurance. You (compassionate) conservatives should understand that.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with reform. But this is not reform, but an attempt to
extend government control in our lives. You are an intelligent man and you know the 47 million number is totally bogus. Most of that is illegals and then you have millions that just don’t want health care. The real number is somewhere around 10-12, which is about 3% of our population, but you knew that. You also know that none of those people would ever be refused care. I said this somewhere else, but it bears repeating….If this “reform” was so freaking good, why is Obammmmma having to bribe people to get it passed. If Brown wins….it’s over….Thank God. I hear Obammmmma is going to Mass. tomorrow….that should seal the deal for Brown.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
people are going without care everyday in this country. People are having to choose between medication, or feeding their families. Hard working people have lost their jobs, an healthcare, and have had to make very tough decisions. All politics aside; people are in need in this country, and i think you would have our government to turn their backs on these people. People whose backs the country was built on. Look in Ohio, and Michigan, and all across the country. People are in need, because their livelihoods have been removed, and their hopes have been dashed. It’s a matter of taking care of our citizens. you threw out 3% of our population as if it was trivial. There are people right down in the bayou, who are living in conditions reminiscent of a Third World Country. Right here at home. The president is about helping people, but he is also about accountability. Ask the CEO’s whom he has taken to the woodshed. Ask the Terrorists in Yemen, whom he has been exterminating with those un-manned drones. Although you don’t want to accept it. He has been more Presidential in his first Year, than you knnow who ever was. Healthcare reform will pass, and the citizens of this country will be better because of it. You included.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Sure we should take care of those less
fortunate. Here we have what used to be called “Charity” hospitals. There are all over the state and are called something else now, because “charity” is not politically correct…….I still call them Charity. Anyone can walk in and get the most advance care and it costs them nothing. We should take care of our needy, but let the states do it, not some federally mis-managed program. Boy is barry about accountability…..late night secret meetings, senate leader making racist remarks, tax dodgers right and left in his administration…..that’s change and accountability we can all believe in……give me a freakin break. The third world conditions I spoke of were caused by FEDERAL GOVERNMENT intrusion into our lives. Gimme, gimme, gimme…..Nothing Presidential in D.C. now, but we do have a whining, blaming, apologist that wants to turn us into France……what a puke.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
Get a grip, Em
“a whining, blaming, apologist that wants to turn us into France ….what a puke”. Not an erudite statement. Please give supporting examples for this argument .
I remember “Nous sommes tous Americans maintenant” after 9/11,
and respected the French president who was not willing to be conned into invading Iraq as Bush’s lapdog. I had high hopes of Sarkozy improving Franco/American relationships, but confess he has been a big disappointment due to his overweening vanity.
However, to insult a wonderful country like France (because it has a socialist government?) beats me.
Wendy – the French didn’t go into Iraq for the same reason they shy away from any war – fear. The world has had to dig France out of the frying pan more than just about any other country in the world. The United States has backed France at every turn – but they turn their back on us if it will cost them anything.
Yes, they helped after 9/11 – but it was short lived – and there were French citizens killed when those jets hit the twin towers. The French PEOPLE may be wonderful, but as a country, they are not a group I would want to count on for anything after a breakfast croissant and a nice wine for dinner.
Invading Iraq was just – it just wasn’t carried out in the best possible way. Hussein was taken down as he had to be. He was a mass murderer of his own people – he spat in the face of the UN and they told him it was raining and did nothing. Hussein was a coward. He had his “soldiers” using civilians as human shields.
The media did everything they could to destroy the effort by screaming body counts at every possible opportunity and blaming Bush. Yet when anyone pointed out the TENS of thousands of dead from Korea or Viet Nam…two Democrat run wars….the media wanted nothing to do with it. Hypocrisy.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
My question/comment was addressed to Em
France has been INVADED and OCCUPIED, Court, (since you love to make statements as though people have never heard of anything), and lost far more people in wars than us. Naturally, they fear war. How very human – and sensible. However, I maintain that they refused to invade a country illigally (which wasn’t threatening them), and my opinion is as valid as yours and based on far more knowledge and understanding of the French people than you apparently have.
(BTW I am sure you also know that England has fought more wars against France than anyone else).
Invading Iraq was NOT just or justifiable. I am also far more familiar with Saddam than you, having survived his invasion of Kuwait so kindly don’t waste your lecturing and rhetoric on him on me – and I’m sick and tired of pointing out even worse dictators where regime change should be equally “just.” to you – just no oil.
This is not party political – I don’t give a damn which political party makes the decision – after all – it was a left/right"
coalition which led the invasion.
Wendy
You’re right about the “left/right” coalition. The problem I have now is that both parties voted to invade Iraq, based on the international intel that was available. Most of the world leaders agreed that the intel was valid. But what we have here now is the Democrats somehow absolving themselves of any responsibility and blaming Bush as the lone person in the world wanting to invade. Right or wrong, everyone bought a ticket to the show…..
You say it was not justifiable and I say it was….we will never agree. As for France….we have come to their aid in two world wars and when we ask for assistance they dump on us. If it weren’t for the US entrance into WWII, which by the way, the libs were against, you and France would all be speaking German.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
No Em
We can’t agree – most of the world leaders emphatically did NOT believe the US intel. They believed that Saddam was happy to lead the UN weapons inspectors on a goose chase to keep Iran (the real enemy) on its toes. They also knew that he had already depleted his weapons – on Kuwait and the Kurds. If the Dems. in the US (and me in the UK) blame Bush & Blair, it is because we do believe that they lied to us, having already made up the minds for regime change, and possibly (possibly) to hit out at someone/anyone for 9/11. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 .
I speak German tolerably well, thank you. Certainly I believe Germany would ultimately have tried yet another invasion of UK, but who knows what the result would have been? Indeed the UK & France are indebted to the US, both before and after their entry into WW2, but let’s not try to pretend Pearl Harbour had no bearing either since you want to trot out old cliches.
Aiding someone in genuine distress – France – & then trying to blackmail them into illegally invading another country is what?
em...we could not have won WW 2 without the US..
there is no doubt. The US had to fight anyway when Japan bombed Pearl Harbour. Had Hitler invaded Britain, when we stood alone against him, the war might have gone on into the 1950’s. Had Hitler had one more year, an atomic warhead would have been on his V2 rockets and New York and Washington may have got it first, not Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Try to remember that .
Easy
There were people in the US that delayed our entry into WWII. Had we gotten involved earlier, Pearl Harbor may never have happened, as we would have been on a war footing and would have been paying attention, and looking for trouble……instead of playing golf that Sunday. You are right. If Hitler had one more year, it could have been disastrous. It just seems like the more we do for others, the more we get kicked in the gut for it.
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Some things the US does is right,
some are wrong. The worst thing is to feel like a fall guy about it. Think of the world community like you might a nieghbour in the street. If you saw a house on fire, you wouldn’t do nothing. You would try to help. Like Haiti. Also, remember that the US is by far the richest nation on earth…with 308 million people there. On a scale, countries like Britain and others do much to help other countries, it jt looks a lot smaller than the US contribution. We are only 63 million. The US gets the crap about it because they are the biggest and sometimes that can work against them.
Em - which statement is ridiculous?
When I said “left-right” for example, I meant our left, your right. There has been nothing anti the American people in any of these posts.
I might say "My country – right or wrong, but not “my government right or wrong”.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but the world-wide reputation of the USA had reached rock-bottom under Bush (unfairly as it may seem to you), but the election of Obama – leaving aside his domestic politics – which are your affair – has led to hope that a less confrontational approach to the rest of the world will lead to better results.. For example, what Court sees as inviting terrorists into the US , some of us might see as closing down a torture camp, the existence of which gives excuses to extremist Moslems to attack ; the velvet glove (albeit it the iron finger – oops!) to Iran gives their leaders less excuse to “Satanise” the US. I don’t see Obama’s overtures as cowardice – I see them as the mightiest nation in the world saying “Calm down guys, let’s talk about this”.
You’re a big generous country – you can do this.
Wendy,
Surely you’re not that naive…..you really think the extremists need a reason to attack. They want to kill us…..they want to kill you. You go ahead and talk….they will stab you in the heart. Wake up, this is not Alice in Wonderland, these guys are pure killers. You will see what Obammmmmma’s talking get us……dead bodies. This is not a popularity contest….this is survival. Do you not realize within the next 25+ years Europe will be majority Muslim….get a clue. How long has the UN, Europe and others been talking to Iran…..how’s all that talking working for ya…..aint workin.
Saints are killing me!!!!!!!!
And you say WE’RE the ones spewing rhetoric ? F&G – that sounded just like an Obama campaign speech.
The numbers of people tossed out are lies. The idea that this new Obama-care is “pure” is complete fantasy. Just yesterday, an agreement was signed with the unions excusing them from the 40% tax that will be added to free market heath care policies.
WHY does the government need to add a tax to non-government health care policies ? BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T GENERATE REVENUE !! Because they don’t want competition – which puts Barry squarely under yet another of his lies.
The number of ear marks to buy support for his bill was upwards of 5,000 last time I heard.
Where’s the transparency ? Where’s the honesty ? Where’s the respect for the private citizen ? Why is he catering to the people who contribute nothing to the economy ? Because the people who depend on the government will cast their votes for the party that promises to give them more.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Health care reform
Court, I have every sympathy with your views on dependency culture, but sometimes you make such extravagant claims that it detracts from the overall point.
“What is the one thing that will give the government ultimate control over people? Health care. If you have to depend on what they say you’re allowed or not allowed to have, you’re going to do whatever they say.”
I haven’t read anything which leads me to believe that the US government is saying what medical care you can or cannot have which is what you are implying.
The private medical system thrives in the UK alongside the NHS for example.
For many years I had private medical insurance (provided by my employers as part of my compensation package) in addition to NHS but only used it once to see a consultant on a more timely basis than the NHS offered. Once I became self-employed, I decided not to continue the insurance myself but to pay the private sector bills if & when needed, which I have done on 1 occasion and actually purchased an NHS service on another (which not everyone here realises one can do).
umm – Wendy – you’re not in the US. take a look at your own system and tell me that the government doesn’t tell people that they can’t have and MRI or an operation or some sort of treatment that they need. I wish I could put my hands on the story that we were hearing back around Thanksgiving about a BRITISH woman who had an eye condition that could have been taken care of with a simple procedure. They told her she had to be put on a waiting list, during which time, her OTHER eye went bad. She would have ended up blind had she not gathered up her money and come to the US to for the operation to save her sight.
Common sense, Wendy. If someone has control over your health – they have control over you. Think about it.
Obama’s plan will eventually force people to have government care. There is already a 40% tax built into his bill that will go on any private health care policy. The government cannot compete with the private sector without using the force of government to weigh down the public sector. Health care costs in this country could be cut nearly in half if the government would just get out of the way. Billions of dollars are spent every year filling out government red tape.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
So if you don’t have any health insurance, then who has control? If you can’t afford to have a prescription filled who has control? If you have to cut your pills in half to desperately try to stretch them out, who has control? I am starting to believe that conservatism is short for exclusionary. American people who have worked their entire lives have had the floor pulled from them by these conservative values, and now you would have them left out of the equation. Em is even under the prepostorous notion that no American is refused care. I believe you gentlemen are so far removed from the truth in America, that seeing it with your own eyes can be dismissed with terms like ignorant, and dependent. We are better than what we have become, and we will once again be seen as the shining light the rest of the world can look too. That is the America that Easing, and Wendy and i a US citizen expect. PS. there is no teleprompter in this room lol.
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
You should probably invest in a prompter.
Excluding those who want a free ride…..no problem, I’m for that. Excluding those who are not here legally…..yeah, I’m for that too…….exclude those that WON’T work….Yeah, I can live with that. I’m sick and tired of working, so a big part of my wages can be given to lazy people that somehow think this country owes them something. Want healthcare…..ok, get a job…..want a car….ok, get a job….want a house….ok, get a job. Have you ever tried to help the homeless?? We were part of a group from our church that went out once a week to help the homeless. We GAVE them food, toiletries, and clothes. We got to know these people and guess what. Most of them were homeless by choice. I was stunned…..the ones who wanted to work, we helped get work, but most of them just wanted to be left alone, so after several months we discontinued the project. At some point people have to be responsible for who there, where they are and what their finances are. Welfare and food stamps have ruined many generations of people, because it took away any need for self responsibility, self preservation …..and destroyed self esteem. Now, as for those who can’t work or have lost their jobs or have good reasons for not working, then we need to help those people. There are ways to do that without the federal government intervening. F’s…..you should sell everything you own buy a tent and give all your money to the poor…..when you do that…let me know, then I’ll know you really believe this crap you spew.
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who dat??
Saints are looking good!
"The game is swell when it's played well."
by Fairways and Grins on Jan 16, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
There isn't a single person here
who is in favour of the welfare dependancy culture. I believe the US has some programs (e.g. single young mothers) which the UK is trying to learn from.
The proliferation of gated communities to protect "us " from the " underclass" is not the answer. I sat on a jury some time ago; the grandparents were villains, the parents were villains, I saw no hope for the children of these villains. Drugs/lack of work ethic/ lack of education were the problem – but I didn’t have a magic wand.
I’m not being what is known as a “bleeding heart liberal” in UK. i am most thankful, howevevr, that I dealt with my hand of cards better than some of my childhood friends.
Wendy
I really grow weary of this dialog. I live in a gated community. The city across the river has one of the highest, if not the highest crime rates for it’s size cities in the country. There are “classes” of people in all countries and I won’t apologize for the gate at our entrance. As for your statement that the world thought less of USA because of Bush means absolutely nothing. Bush kept us safe, which he swore to do…..I applaud and thank him. As for all of you who think “less” of us…..get over it. I’m sure you all will be happy when Americans are dying as a result of terrorist attacks that Barry’’s policies will invite. I’m done with this.
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Um, I'm not in the US
For once and for all, Court, I have never suggested that the US adopt a UK NHS system. It is historically, culturally, etc, etc, alien to US. Fini for heaven’s sake.
“If someone has control over your health – they have control over you. Think about it.”
Thanks for the insult to my intelligence.
If the British lady could afford to travel to the US and pay for treatment there, it strikes me as strange that she didn’t pay for private treatment here which she is perfectly entitled to do – maybe it was more a matter of US expertise? A couple of days ago there was an article in The Times about an American lady travelling in England who had to have a caesarean/premature birth and all the aftercare that entailed (for which she didn’t pay a cent). She thanked God it happened in UK because in the US she only had health insurance covering a normal birth. So let’s stop with the swapping stories as they are not relevant to health reform, are they? You’re just trying to be a spin doctor as usual (but failing).
I do indeed tell you that the British Government does not tell people that they can’t have an MRI/operation or some sort of treatment that they need. Not that it is relevant to US health care reform.
There are indeed treatments which are not provided by the NHS; either because they are medically unproven or indeed too expensive to provide for all (for example, IVF treatment is extremely variable depending on which area one lives in). Nothing to stop you having the treatment you want under your own insurance or paying cash for it of course.
The NHS is bureaucratic, unwieldy, and can be incredibly slow if it’s not a matter of life or death. Don’t adopt it – noone is asking you to do so.
Your MRI reference made me laugh as I was going to cite it as one of the NHS stupidities on an earlier post. A few years ago I fell off a ladder (“this hedge lopper will get to the top of that bay tree”) and had 3 epileptic fits later that evening.
I was admitted to our local hospital and scheduled to have an MRI scan 2/3 days later. I assumed I could go home in the meantime, only to be told that I would have to stay, as it was an “in-patient” treatment. If I went home, it would be an “out-patient” treatment for which I could pay, or go on a waiting list. "You mean I have to clog up a much-needed hospital bed for 2/3 days for no reason except to qualify as an “in-patient?” Yup. I went home and paid for the MRI (= set of new golf clubs!). My choice.
My mother was in great pain and scheduled for a liver biopsy in two weeks. I pretended to her that my private medical insurance covered her for an immediate test. (It didn’t – it was for dependant relatives only but she would never have agreed otherwise). I simply paid cash for her stay/test .
Come up with a solution, Court, rather than just fighting change.
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