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Apparently the LPGA-Twitter Thing Was All a Bad Dream

Carolyn Bivens released a statement the other day that was posted on Golf Channel's Shag Bag blog by Randall Mell.  Basically, Bivens is playing the Misquoted Card after all of the player and media backlash (not from me, Carolyn) about encouraging players to use Twitter in a tourney.

"Comments that I made in a conversation with a writer last week regarding the importance of social media and tweeting have been taken out of context," Bivens said. "We have not discussed tweeting or the use of handheld devices during tournament rounds with the USGA, or even within the LPGA, nor do we intend to. Our players will not be tweeting during the rounds of LPGA events."

If you were right, then why did Paula Creamer leave a Tweet that said:

Creamer-tweet_medium

 

That sounds like some conversation was had.  Maybe one-sided, but a conversation nonetheless.

By the way, that writer was Michael Buteau of Bloomberg - apparently the new fountain of journalistic impropriety.

May I remind anyone in the golf world that the Internet can either be your friend or your worst enemy.  And, I'm really good with Google Search.

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I almost drove off the road over the weekend laughing at that story. The Biv has to be losing support from the players with nonsense like this popping up again and again. It’s hard to stay on her side when her words are on tape and she denies them. She has turned into more of a politician than a commissioner – and that isn’t a good thing.

Sorry to say – it may be time for the LPGA to look for a leader to replace the politician.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I need to improve my google search skills, or maybe they’re OK, but they can always be better. :)

But yeah, yikes. Can anyone say foot in mouth?

When I first read the presser a few weeks ago, I remember thinking that it’d be a tad distracting. Even as a spectator at Sybase, I found it distracting when I was tweeting on the course. While I was following Paige Mackenzie and Christina Kim in the final round, I attempted to tweet about their shots and how they were playing. It got old after about two holes. I actually wanted to watch them and I had trouble focusing. I found it difficult to go back and forth between pulling out my phone and following their shots. Not to mention, I thought it might be bothersome to the players if they happened to see me on my phone constantly. There was something wrong about the picture.

I get where Bivens was coming from – new media is an important tool to use – just not on the golf course. In her defense, people get misquoted ALL the time. trust me, been there and done that. it’s not fun, but lessons have been learned. In her position, it’s going to happen more than once or twice – she’s a public figure and in many ways, if you’re the commissioner of a large organization like the LPGA, you have no choice other than to be a politician. I guess word choice should be advised. Anyhow, it’s bad publicity for the LPGA so I think we should stop talking about it – but I suppose many believe all publicity is good publicity. ;)

by Stephanie Wei on Jun 8, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stephanie Wei for commish !

:-D

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 8, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well – not on the “any publicity is good publicity” front – bad publicity is just that – BAD. Why would you want people thinking negatively about your product ? Just because you are on someone’s mind doesn’t mean they are going to get involved as a fan.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree, but just saying some people don’t mind it. i’m not a fan of bad pr.

by Stephanie Wei on Jun 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on how bad :)

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 8, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buteau has a very solid reputation for documenting his sources and quotes. He’s very sharp. I kind of doubt he “misquoted” The Biv.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 8, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Buteau is solid. It’s dumb to throw out that card on him.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 8, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate the support

As a follow up… I, of course, objected to Carolyn’s “have been taken out of context” statement.

After doing so, the LPGA told me: "those words were chosen very carefully to mean that subsequent coverage and conversation took her comments “out of context.” This is why it reads “have been taken out of context,” rather than “were taken out of context.”

We’re splitting hairs here, but it appears that my article has never been an issue with the LPGA. It was the flood of follow up stories that it produced…

by MButeau on Jun 9, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s definitely good to hear that they actually didn’t have a problem with your reporting because you’re always spot on.

I’m not certain how any stories done afterward could be considered “out of context” given what Carolyn said to you. If you put something like that out there, then it’s going to be interpreted, right? Especially something like that.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope you’re right, Mike. Even the “have been” vs “were” can be misinterpreted. I guess we’ll find out for sure when you have future LPGA assignments.

Can we add this as Chapter 2 behind a discussion of what the definition of “is” is ? (lol)

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short memories

Aren’t you all forgetting Commissioner Bivens double talk in a couple of interviews last Septembe? Click here and here and when she contradicts herself in separate interviews.

GW: If that’s the case, then why did you change the policy?
CB: It isn’t a policy. It’s a program. What we did was rescind the playing suspension.

Golfweek: Can you take me through last week and how you went from Tuesday’s memo to Friday’s memo?
Carolyn Bivens: What we said in the policy was that we listened to the feedback.

It isn’t a policy, it is a policy. Get me some dramamine, I’m feeling seasick!

Then there were these gems.

GW: Looking back on it now, do you wish you have discussed the penalty portion with more sponsors or . . .
CB: Sponsors never want to be part of these decisions.

and what she said to a Alabama newspaper.

She said the meeting was meant to address those issues, as well as issues that would assist players in marketing, communication and competition, but what was highlighted "was about 10 percent" of what was discussed. "We were addressing sponsors’ needs and requirements."

 Then read my take on it. I do recall it got talked about here at Waggleroom at the time.

Carolyn Bivens is the only sports league commissioner to get their own tag at OTB Sports. She doesn’t need any help from the media to give misleading information. She contradicts herself!

by Bill Jempty on Jun 8, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep – seeing all that stuff as a list – I’ve switched from calling her a commissioner to a politician – and that will never be a good thing.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm starting to act like courtgolf

By commenting on my own comments. But I had to include this link to Ryan’s post on all the above from Bivens last year.

by Bill Jempty on Jun 8, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, an oldie but goodie :)

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Backlash

I’m not quite sure I understand all the backlash. Forget for a moment the debate about whether there would be a rules issue. Let’s pretend for a moment that it’s completely within the Rules of Golf and the rules of the tour.

Paula Creamer stated she won’t twitter during a round. OK, understood. She doesn’t want it to interfere with her concentration or whatever. But why should she or anyone else care if someone else wants to? It’s not like in the original Bivens quote she indicated that players would be required to do it or anything.

So if some other player wanted to do it, why does Creamer care? As I said in the first go-around of this story, I have tweeted on the golf course (when I’m by myself and when it won’t delay play) and I personally find that it doesn’t impede my concentration because I have a long walk between certain shots and I like to have emptied my mind of the previous shot before I take the next one.

Does that work for everyone? No, but I would be annoyed if people tried to tell me not to do it just because they didn’t want to do it themselves. Now, the rules are the rules and they should be respected, but much of this debate doesn’t seem to be centered there.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very simple – the backlash is about Bivens denying that she said what she said.

The Twittering idea is a bad one to begin with – tournament rules outlaw the use of electronic devices unless specifically permitted by a tournament. (The Adams Tight Lies Tour in Texas allows GPS and Laser without elevation) Cell phones are specified to be turned off. This is just one of those Pandora’s Box issues that shouldn’t have been brought up.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about that

I understand the Bivens backlash. I’m just talking about the idea of using Twitter. And, again, let’s pretend there was no rules issue. Creamer’s response was clearly not centered around those areas. A lot of the criticism from fans didn’t center around those two areas either. It was as if a player can’t function in a tournament if a couple of tweets were sent here and there.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you pretend there is no rules issue when there are at least two rules issues ?

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because...

…that’s not the complaint that most people are bringing forward. If most people were saying, “It’s against the rules, it can’t be done”, then fine.

But the debate is centering around the act of Twittering. If we bring the rules in, we’re discussing why it can’t happen. I think we all understand that already. I want to understand why people feel like it shouldn’t happen. After all, rules could be changed if so desired. People don’t want the rules to allow it. That’s what I want to know.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rules discussion was in the very beginning of the discussion – and there are at least 2 rules this violates or potentially violates, plus any local or tour rules about electronic devices.

The act of Twittering is exactly the potential problem – and once you start something like this, it is there and won’t go away. (unless it is done as a one time thing and expressly explained that way) If you allow it – the play toy becomes more important than the golf. These are professional golfers – not professional tweeters.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the toy becomes more important than the golf. That seems kind of silly. You could make that argument extend to media interviews, mic-ing up players and caddies, broadcasting on TV.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Paula really said...

She stated she won’t, offered an opinion that no one else should, and appeared to be speaking to some sort of consensus the players had already reached about whether to do it. I didn’t see her laying down the law for anyone. Am I missing something?

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was supposed to be...

a reply to Double Eagle’s last post above. Clearly I’m a n00b with this interface.

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but...

…why should she care if some other player wants to do it? I mean, she’s welcome to her opinion, but I wouldn’t appreciate it if her opinion blanketed me too when I clearly disagree with it.

I don’t think I would have blinked if she said, “I’m not Twittering and anyone who does is a fool.” That’s a perfectly valid point for debate.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that Paula would give two hoots if someone else Tweeted – or did anything else within the rules – during a round.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So long as it didn’t slow down play :)

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

…she did say, “It should not happen in any sport.” That sounds like a hoot to me.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how does her stating her opinion blanket anyone else? I think no one should ever smoke cigarettes under any circumstances, but I don’t see that opinion affecting anyone in the slightest. Does she have some special power over the other ladies on the Tour?

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

someone smoking a cigarette doesn’t inhibit your ability to do your job.

you’re exactly right – her opinion doesn’t give her any special power – if it is brought to a vote among the players, her opinion counts as one vote.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Her quote

I think her quote can be fairly restated as “I don’t want to do it and I don’t think you should be allowed either.” All I’m saying is, why should she care if anyone else wants to do it? If they brought it to a vote among the players, would she vote “no”? If so, why does she care if others do it?

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SLOW PLAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! And who knows what other distractions could come of it ?

It’s a golf tournament – not a circus. Save these things for off the course.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

since when is slow play a red herring ?

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not

The idea that Twittering would cause slow play is a red herring.

Let’s use an example. I tee off. I can 1) walk 300 yards to my ball staring straight ahead, or I can 2) walk 300 yards to my ball alternating looking straight ahead and at a Twitterable device. When I reach my ball, I’m ready to play in either scenario.

No. One. Ever. Said. Slow. Play. Should. Be. Tolerated.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you did – you cannot walk at the same pace while reading or typing. most people can’t walk the same pace with a phone stuck to their ear. (I’m pretty sure I can’t chew gum and walk the same pace) :-)

and you’re telling me you hit 300 yard drives ? Hmmm (j/k)

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh...

Once in a while.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hit 300 yard drives :) And I have launch monitor video to prove it

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I can see that...

I interpreted her quote differently, but the phrasing does lend itself to the idea of it being an imposed rule. I retract my semantic objection.

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She cares because it is very likely that she would have to play behind at least one group Tweeting their merry way down the fairway (ooo – another rhyme !) slowing down play.

Either play the tournament or get off the course.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you assume it would slow play?

It’s not hard to type 140 characters in a 250+ yard walk. Besides, no one ever suggested it should be done at the expense of slow play. That’s a red herring.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well – there aren’t that many 250 yard walks on the LPGA – but that’s beside the point. Have you ever tried to keep up a walking pace while reading ? Especially on hilly terrain ? When you’re supposed to be looking ahead to what your next shot will be ? Why are you assuming that there is just one tweet in that walk ?

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, it’s kind of a dead debate, but I would have imagined this happening on the waits between the par 3s and 5s, or between 9s. Not after every shot, though.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I can’t imagine constant twittering. I mean, I’m envisioning like a few in an entire round. This is the livelihood for these players. The idea that they would start risking slow play penalties or risking their own concentration is completely ridiculous.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Dottie Pepper told me, the LPGA Tour is the only pro golf tour that really enforces slow play rules and has a culture of decently paced play. They wouldn’t dare risk that for Twittering.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

name dropper :-D

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In this case, yes, haha. She told me it on that Golf Channel conference call, though, so it’s not like I scored some kind of Dottie Pepper exclusive. :)

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My impression of the pace...

is more like they walk up to their ball and then stand there for several minutes waiting for those ahead to hit—or maybe it’s just because that’s how it works in my rounds when the course is full. Would they even need to tweet while walking? I’m not for or against it on those grounds, it actually seems a cool way to kill a couple of down minutes.

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They go at a much better pace than the PGA Tour players, that’s for sure. Champions Tour players go faster than they do.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt – and I STILL want to throw a yellow flag at Jim Furyk every time he backs off of a shot.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never been to an LPGA event so didn’t have a feel for the pace. If they’re not standing around for 2-3 minutes after reaching their ball as the norm then yeah, tweeting between hits could be a problem. On the other hand, lots of people text while driving, so probably feel they could pull it off while walking.

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, they are – it takes a minute or two to get yardages, then do the syphering to figure out how far to their landing target…then pick a club…then have the caddy line them up

the trick is to walk fast between shots so you have plenty of time to make your next decision.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Jun 9, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I’m leaning towards a “no” on the question of whether it’d be a good idea. I’m biased, though: we give people awful grief for pulling out a phone for any reason in our rounds, much less for texting or tweeting. I could imaging the sh!t storm I’d get. :-p

by Spinland on Jun 9, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you in the recreational setting

I actually do think it’s rude to do it in a recreational setting. That’s why I only do it when I play alone. Recreational golf is about camaraderie, companionship, etc. and cell phones destroy that and become rather obnoxious especially when people do allow them to slow down play.

by Double Eagle on Jun 9, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree with that last point. Only do it while playing alone. I don’t go golfing to talk on my cell phone and hit some shots.

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by Ryan Ballengee on Jun 9, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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