Like Pro Wrestling, Golf Needs Some Bad Guys
was lounging around on the ole Twitter machine this morning and trying to break up some writer's block for a long piece I'm trying to write. I saw a Tweet from the PGA Tour's (@pgatour) account that definitely broke the block.
PGATOUR Lots of little golf fans out on the course today with their dads, learning about watching golf and who to cheer for.
I'm probably taking this the wrong way, but I started thinking about how I learned from my dad who I would cheer for in sports. From why Cal Ripken was so freakin' awesome to how our last name was kind of like shortstop Mark Ballanger (so we should root for him), Dad had the answers. He also probably had the answers about why the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays sucked. (I was grown up by the time the Rays were around and I just pitied them.)
Golf sometimes seems to have a lack of bad guys, or heels, to root against. Depending on if you consider yourself a Tiger or a Phil fan/phan, then you may root against the other. A lot of people root against Sergio. Then again, Golfgirl has an almost unhealthy love for him. I kid, I kid. I mean, even for the people who dislike Vijay Singh, he does so much darned charity work that you can't dislike the guy.
Golf could benefit from bad guys, or at least bad guys that you feel sympathy for and quietly cheer their success. I think back to the days of watching pro wrestling and being that guy that would actively root for the bad guys to win matches. The little kids would hate when we cheered as they won with a chair shot to the head that the referee didn't see. (But he heard it, right?!)
I can think of a few of those kinds of guys I would and do pull for now.
I kind of like rooting for Rory Sabbatini. Yeah, he's crass and his wife really loves T-shirts with words on them, but it's kind of funny. He is a charitable guy, wants to play faster golf, and wears a cool belt.
Or maybe Adam Scott. The guy can have any woman that he feels like and can surf. That's the kind of guy that you hate because he can do so much stuff that you can't. Secretly, though, you root for him cause you wish you were that guy.
After that, I kind of start drawing blanks. Wrestling used to have archetype bad guys that were big and strong and did whatever they felt like until someone stood up to them. Maybe that's JB Holmes because he hits the hell out of the ball and plays as slow as he feels like. And, unlike wrestling, he doesn't get disqualified for breaking one of the basic rules of the sport.
So, if golf had or has bad guys, who are they?
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Greg Norman
He is a bad guy. I love(d) rooting against him. Sure – he’s good looking, a billionaire and is living every old guy’s fantasy by spending his 50’s hanging with Chris Everett. Still, there was nothing better than watching the inevitable Norman collapse on Sunday. Doral, Augusta, New Orleans, Inverness, Bay Hill, Memorial. Beautiful stuff. Yes – Greg Norman is one of golf’s bad guys.
by krcubed on May 5, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good one. Adam Scott is kinda like him now, but not quite as well known. There is truly nothing like a Norman collapse.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Scott ??? How is he anything like Greg Norman except for looks…and accent, of course ??
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s all I got on that one. And he doesn’t have a problem with the ladies.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL – I’ve talked with Adam Scott several times – a few away from the golf course. He is nothing but nice – and he loves playing blackjack. (ran into him in a casino – he was up and as excited as a little kid – it was hilarious) He helped me do a bit on our radio host and his wild clothes.
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he strikes me as a pretty cool guy. And I love blackjack, too.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still hungover, I see. :-D
At least I’m hoping that’s the reason you’re comparing fictional action theater with a real sport.
Golf doesn’t have heels…for the most part – because golf has manners…for the most part. Sabbatini stepped over the line of those manners and a few people jumped on him…until they realized that he was right. The real heel was his partner who was playing at a snail’s pace.
We have Monty – partly because he acts like an ass from time to time, and he was a Ryder Cup giant who got in America’s face during those weeks.
We have the occassional slip of the tongue, like we got from Vijay at Colonial when Annika was in the field. His words were taken a bit out of context, and he forgot the pairings rules that the Tour has. (Tour winners and high ranked players are paired with Tour winners and high ranked players – non-winners and qualifiers play together) But the drive-by-media that lives to twist words to create “controversy” (but mostly a name for themselves) has fixed that problem – players mostly only give cliche answers anymore. Even Kenny Perry’s words after The Masters were twisted as much as possible to make him sound like he was a drooling, quivering mass of fear and incompetence down the stretch.
Golf is different – thankfully. Golfers want to beat each other’s brains in on the course. We pull for ourselves, but we don’t pull against the other players. You never hear a pro say that he was hoping the other guy would miss.
Tiger fans “root against” Phil because he’s the closest competition to their guy — and vice versa — but it’s not like a football game in Philly where fans would just as soon throw a fan of the other team off the back of the stadium as have them sitting in the stadium pulling against the Iggles.
There are guys like Hogan, Faldo, Nicklaus, kr mentioned Norman, and even Tiger Woods who are/were totally focused on their games. There is no room for being pleasant on the course. They were/are labelled as mechanical monsters with no personality and just mean people.
Read Butch Harmon’s book “The Pro” and you’ll get a different view of Hogan off the course. Faldo and Norman have both relaxed and you see that they both have great humor to them. Nicklaus still finds ways to be a jerk now and then, but he has relaxed an enjoys things more. Tiger’s stories are still behind closed doors, but the people who know him say he’s very funny, and even nerdy.
Some of these guys win so much that people start to pull against them – like kr mentioned with Norman – but golf fans, for the most part, don’t take pleasure when something bad happens to another golfer. I don’t see how Norman was a “bad guy” – unless jealousy, envy, and class hatred is a good reason to dislike someone and pull against them. Wouldn’t that put Tiger Woods in that same catagory ?
Golf has manners – unlike most other sports. It sets the game apart and makes it special.
Oh – her name is/was Chris Evert. Then she married John Lloyd – then took up with skier Andy Mill before divorcing Lloyd – married Mill — then took up with Norman before divorcing Mill — then married Norman. So she is Chris Evert-Lloyd-Mills-Norman. Swell lady.
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points. I was trying to make the comparison not to say that guys should come out to theme music and be booed, but it seems like you have guys that you root for and against. Something about when Scott Hoch was intention bugged me. Not sure why. He seems nice enough. There are just guys like that you might not like on course or off, but you can’t help but cheer them.
I think guys like Tiger and Nicklaus get reviled in the way that the Yankees or Lakers are – they’re just so damn good that people eventually want them to get beaten to change things up a bit.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people don’t like the Spankees because of the fans :-D
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee fans come down to B’more and take over Camden Yards several times per year. But, I’ll give them credit as knowing a lot about baseball. Even if they are drunk loudmouths :)
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep – buncha arrogant drunken sob’s :-)
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No class hatred or envy - just hatred
I think my dislike for Norman crystallized when I read Feinstein’s book on Bruce Edwards. It talks about Edwards’ short time with Norman and the difference between Norman and Tom Watson (full disclosure – Watson is my idol). Norman was quick to blame bad breaks on fate rather than his own shot making. He was so heartily embraced his #1 ranking but he did so without doing the dirty work of actually winning golf tournaments – especially majors. And, instead of changing the way he played while in contention, he rebuffed the criticisms as bad breaks and built his image on the victim character.
Point well taken about Chrissy.
by krcubed on May 5, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy was ranked #1 for 331 weeks that’s 6 years and almost 4 months. He has 2 majors, 20 PGA Tour wins and 14 European Tour wins, not to mention a ton in Australia – and a TON of seconds and thirds.
Here’s the thing about the great players in any sport when they are at the top of their game – it is NEVER their fault. That’s why the caddy is there. If there is a bad shot – the caddy gets chewed out. If not the caddy – the weather – or a bad lie…
Unless, of course, you’re Sergio and the flagsticks are against you – that’s a bit paranoid. :-D
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is definitely a contrast in how Watson handled defeat (would’ve been #1 pre-OWGR) and Norman did. Both were classy, but had different excuses. Still, Norman is way better than Sergio in that regard.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Daly
I guess this would fall into the “had” category as the guy has fallen off the map. He’s the quintessential badass who drinks, smokes, gambles, and the like.
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by spell on May 5, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you left off “big ol’ teddy bear” :-)
JD made the cut and finished somewhere around 30th in Spain last weekend. he’s lost a lot of weight and seems to have his smile back on the course.
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by courtgolf on May 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a “bad guy” I think the casual fan can relate to and for whom I root for. Glad to hear he’s enjoying golf.
Do you have any links to recent articles about him?
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by spell on May 5, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t done any in the past couple of weeks, but there were a few on devilballgolf.com – Yahoo’s golf site – that are about Daly and his whacky pants in Spain.
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I’d consider him a “bad guy” but back in the day David Duval appeared to be stoic/standoff-ish and not exactly likable – but he seemed to warm up after awhile. I liked him.
I’d have to agree that Monty is a guy that people like to hate it seems.
by red tees on May 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Monty seems pretty universal. I think that Daly fits that antihero kind of guy. Any other guy and you would boo him, but he has the right combination of bad and good to make him a “good guy.”
Good to see you, red tees!
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by Ryan Ballengee on May 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duval is an odd character. He is extremely intelligent and hard on himself – on top of that, he’s fairly shy and soft spoken. He gives short answers that are to the point – and he doesn’t suffer foolish questions very well.
When you get to know the guy, he is VERY funny and loves playing pranks – but they aren’t on people who talk about things publicly. He is also very considerate and thoughtful. He sent someone a very nice bottle of wine at a restaurant here in Atlanta after that person did something to help a stranger. You don’t hear those stories.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on May 6, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the "bad guys"
I know from one of the videos I posted on Youtube “Bubba Watson Rips Into Steve Elkington Rd. 2 Zurich Classic” it looks like Bubba might fall under that category for some.
I also know I’ve seen a few bloggers post about Charley Hoffman before in a negative light not necessarily “bad”. To bad because Charley from seeing him last year at the Canadian Open has become one of my favorite players to follow. I don’t mind Rory’s attitude sometimes at least he shows some emotion.
by Ottawa Golf Blog on May 6, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true – until you think about the situation. Watson is left handed – so he was looking across the fairway. It is good golf etiquette to stop moving when you are in someone’s sight line, which Elkington was. Elkington was the one who was “the bad guy” in the video – not Watson.
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by courtgolf on May 6, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cheer against Tiger, Phil, and Sabbatini
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by BigEast44 on May 6, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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