I Need A Little Golf GPS Advice From You
I get asked a lot of equipment questions when I'm talking golf with friends. Normally, I can answer them. (Most equipment made today is incredible and it's tough to make a mistake. Just need to know a few things about your game to make a recommendation.)
But, I don't really know a lot about golf GPS units. We did a review of the Izzo Golf Swami unit and the GreenFinder mobile phone GPS app this year, but that's all I have done. I really don't know much about standalone, fully featured GPS units like the Callaway uPro, the SkyCaddie models, or the On Par and Garmin units.
So, I'm soliciting some advice from you since I can't get my hands on these individually.
Which ones do you like? Which don't you like?
What features are most important to you?
How about subscription fees? Does it seem like nickel and diming, or is it ok for you? How about a unit with lots of courses preloaded as opposed to adding and deleting them?
Give me your recommendations - they're very much appreciated!
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Here is a review I did...
… on a few of my favorites: http://golf.suite101.com/article.cfm/golf_gps_rangefinder_options
Adam Fonseca
by ChicagoDuffer on Dec 7, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I use the SkyCaddie SG4
It works OK for me. I’ve had it for a couple of years, and it’s worked OK. There have been a couple of minor issues that have resolved with firmware updates (like the ability to more easily reset the GPS – necessary if it’s powered off for a prolonged period, for whatever reason).
The subscriptions seem like nickel and diming to me but from a business perspective they probably need to keep revenue coming in to avoid folding. But still, it’s kind of cheesy that I downloaded the few local courses that I play and yet I have to keep paying for those each year. I tried paying for a year service to get the courses I need and then just not paying subsequent years and found that the unit eventually stops functioning.
In fairness, though, they have continued to update the unit with new features as time has gone on, so there’s at least some sign of the subscription fees providing some future benefit, but probably not enough to justify the cost. For a player that travels a lot or just generally plays a lot of courses, it’s much more worth it. For me, I play most of my golf on two courses, so it’s not as valuable.
Hardware-wise, it’s OK, but the connector for attaching the cable for charging/communication is really a clumsy design. I’ve read people having broken it, but I wouldn’t consider it fragile. It’s just not as simple as it should be to hook the cable up.
I’d say that my overall impression falls somewhere between neutral and positive, closer to neutral. I haven’t compared with other models on the market, so I don’t know if they have similar down sides. I’d consider upgrading to the SG5 because the display seems more pleasing and there are some nice features, but probably not for the price it’s selling at now.
by Double Eagle on Dec 7, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have an SG-5, and it is a solid unit…it is dead on accurate to the yardage markers at nearly every course I have played using it, and it has a long battery life — it can go 3 or more rounds before it needs the charger.
The subscription fees are a bit high in my opinion, but the thing about it is that they update courses rapidly — I recently played a course not long after it had been redesigned and reopened, and Skycaddie had the numbers right.
Another thing is that it is easy to read in bright sunlight.]
Cons are the distance markings to hazards are not as clear as I would like and from time to time the unit tries to move me along to a different hole before I am ready.
Overall, however, it was a good purchase an I use it over a lot of the iPhone equivalent apps that I have.
by Old Man Par on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SkyCaddie SG-2.5
I’ve used my SkyCaddie SG-2.5 for a couple of years. It’s the slightly smaller screen, non-color version of the SG-5. Several of my golfing gal pals have the same model. My personal experience is that it’s been a valuable aid in lowering my index. Unlike Double Eagle, I play lots of different courses — I’d guess between 15 and 20 in four states this season — which means I don’t always know what’s in front of me. The SkyCaddie gives me usable information that allows me to avoid hazards I can’t see on an unfamiliar course. When I first got the unit I probably spent too much time staring at it. Now I know what I’m looking for so that when I get to my ball I take a quick glance at the number, pull a club, then hit.
LIke OMP said, the subscription fee is higher than I think it should be, but there’s definite value in having updates available.
I’m unfamiliar with other GPS devices so I can’t make a comparison, but really like my SkyCaddie.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
by dianemarie on Dec 8, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have mentioned accuracy
Similar to you, I should have mentioned the accuracy, and in that regard, I’ve always found it to be right on. That’s kind of dependent on the person mapping the course, and in my case the person definitely did a good job.
In that respect, the device functions perfectly, which really is at the heart of the matter. The complaints I have are secondary to how the device works and are mostly subjective in nature (like the subscription price).
by Double Eagle on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan:
How do blogs survive? Is there an income of some kind based on the number of hits? I played with a guy that used a Sky caddie. He spent a lot of time playing with it when it was his turn to hit. It didn’t speed up his play.
by pingforever on Dec 8, 2009 6:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get paid much per month except a small stipend. I actually have a day job.
Find me! Email: ryan@thegolfnewsnet.com, Twitter: http://twitter.com/waggleroomryan, or Facebook: http://facebook.com/waggleroom.
by Ryan Ballengee on Dec 8, 2009 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan
I wasn’t asking about you, that’s not my business. I was wondering about the blog. Does the blog do better if more people visit it?
by pingforever on Dec 8, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I run this blog, so you were asking about me. The blog can but not necessarily does better when more people visit.
Find me! Email: ryan@thegolfnewsnet.com, Twitter: http://twitter.com/waggleroomryan, or Facebook: http://facebook.com/waggleroom.
by Ryan Ballengee on Dec 8, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RB – you run Waggle Room – but WR belongs to the SB Nation – correct ? I think he’s asking if there is money to be made as a blog owner. SB gives the individual blog “owners” a cut of advertising they bring in, and SB makes money through advertising across the “Nation”. Correct ?
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, then the answer does still hold. Advertising may but does not necessarily increase with the number of views that come here. Some advertisers do buy based on hits, some don’t.
Find me! Email: ryan@thegolfnewsnet.com, Twitter: http://twitter.com/waggleroomryan, or Facebook: http://facebook.com/waggleroom.
by Ryan Ballengee on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(he says as he hops in his Escalade and drives off, leaving the questioner in a cloud of dust) (baaahaahahaaaa) :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Callaway uPro
Personally I don’t use one, but being in the golf equipment business we have sold many more of the Callaway uPro than any other model. Sky caddie used to be # 1 but no longer. The boys at Sawgrass seem to agree as the Callaway model seems to be in use more often than others. jumpn/progolf
"pain is only weakness leaving the body"
by progolf on Dec 8, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have an old
Skycaddie (4years old) that works great for me. I play a lot of different courses and the Skycaddie works at all of them. I wish it would quit working so I could buy something new. Will probably go to a rangefinder next.
by em66 on Dec 8, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Callaway uPro
I have the uPro and the Izzo Swami. The Swami is fine as long as you’re playing straight holes. All it gives you is distance to front, middle, and back of the green. If you need to know how far it is to some point in a dogleg, you’re out of luck. It’s an annual subscription and they are pretty quick with loading new courses when requested.
The uPro is fantastic, but it takes some practice to get used to using it. You get so much information that it can slow a round down if you don’t know how to toggle quickly. I got mine as part of an outing this year and haven’t gotten used to it very much yet. They were talking about upgrading the software so you could keep stats, but I’m guessing they dropped that idea so they could include it in the newer version coming out. Only drawback is that you have to buy each course if you want all the course information. They sell packages so you get a lower price the more courses you buy. As far as I know, you buy the package and they don’t put a time limit for choosing the courses you want. Standard course information is free – basic front – back – middle green information, hazards, and you can mark how far you hit a shot.
There is one that has a touch screen that is pretty cool. You can move the flag icon around the green to get an exact yardage to the hole…assuming you have a yardage sheet for a tournament. Not exactly something most of us need, but it’s pretty cool.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
GPS Devices
Ryan et all,…GPS for all the hype, isn’t the best thing out there to play the game. Golf is all about target. To be precise, that little 4.25" target. You need to know an “exact” yardage to that target and GPS doesn’t do that. A pro will look at the “target” yardage and then choose what “shot” he’s gonna hit to attack his target. Maybe it’s a cut 4 iron, a stock 5 or a “roasted” 6 iron. Yardage to the front, center and back of the green is not enough. You need the “target” number if you’re gonna attack. It’s all about precision. GPS moves the players along qiuickly so the courses love’em. But they do not impact your score like a good range-finder. You wanna play your best ???…, narrow your focus and start being precise ! Your handicap will thank-you……………………………….Z.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 8, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
true enough – but how many of us are that good ? very few. how often are we given exact hole placements for a regular round ? almost never.
a pro player, playing a friendly round at his home course isn’t going to have the exact numbers he has at a PGA Tour event, but he knows front, middle, and back, can figure out what club and shot to hit to get to the right part of the green.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
something else a good GPS gives you is yardages to and past hazards. it’s not always easy to tell what it will take to carry a bunker or a creek.
and don’t forget those “hero” shots when we just HAVE to go for a sucker pin with a 5 iron from a divot. :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Move Valuable
I find the target yardages to be more valuable than yardages to front/middle/back most of the time.
I can come up with a good estimate to right part of the green using the yardage stakes. But the distance to the end of the fairway or to a dogleg or to the water on the right or to carry a hazard is quite valuable.
by Double Eagle on Dec 8, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do what the pro's do !
Tour caddies DO NOT rely on GPS. They plot the course themselves with a range-finder. Why ?,….because it’s their job to give their BOSS the right yardage ! Getting a yardage to a bunker or a water hazard is easily done with a range finder. How many play good enough to benefit ?…I believe everybody can. If you can dial in a pitching wedge to an exact yardage, and know that’s how far you hit that specific shot, I guarantee you are gonna put your “A” swing on the ball. Confidence over the ball is what separates the plumbers from the players. Start workin a range finder in the wedges, and over time work through the bag(yesss, that means practice !) and when you find yourself able to hit the long clubs exact yardages with different swings you will have total confidence in your game. "Guess-timates "do not produce the desired results ! We all hear about the “No Fear” attitude in golf. Well, THIS is how you attain it. Learn how far you" carry" every shot, and then obtain those EXACT distances when playin. Your confidence level will allow you to produce a good swing that more often than not, produces a great result. If you want to be a player, or just play to the best of your ability, you need to play without fear. Being precise is an absolute must. This is a game of precision. GPS comes up a bit short , IMO. The bonus is , your buddies will actually end up paying for the range-finder as you whip their butts. Don’t be fooled, GPS has the sex appeal, but the range-finder always gets the TARGET, and golf is ALL about the target. Start practicing gentleman, and start winning.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 8, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hang on hang on hang on – SOME caddies use GPS – some use laser range finders. I watched Nationwide Tour caddies using Skycaddies and making notes during practice rounds.
but how many of US have caddies ?
you can’t guarantee that ANYone is going to put their “A” swing on any shot – no matter how confident they are from a specific yardage. We have all bladed and laid the sod over shots we thought we had cold. Not even a pro can guarantee every 100 yard wedge…who would Johnny Miller berate if they could ? :-)
Why are you so wound up over this ? He just asked for thoughts on GPS – not laser rangefinders. How many times have you heard players say that they can’t lock onto a target with a range finder ? Flagsticks aren’t always easy.
How many courses give you EXACT yardages to the flag ? Unless the course has GPS, I have never played a non-tournament round on a course that gave out exact hole placements.
I agree with you 100% that the more exact you can be with your yardages, the better chance you have to hit good shots – but courses don’t give exact information. Even a handheld GPS won’t give you exact yardage to the hole unless it’s tied into the course and the flagstick is coded into the system.
Golf is always guesswork to some extent.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Golf is guesswork !
Well, if that’s what you believe then you’re beat before you tee it up. See it, believe it,…execute. Guesswork,???…yup Tiger’s been guessing right all these years. LMAO Clearly you’re happy with your game as it is. That’s the difference between playin to your ability, or makin’ excuses after every round. But hey, the choice is yours. I don’t sell range finders, but I haven’t played a practice round in 12 years without one. I pretty sure that prep has put a few $$$ in my pocket. To each his own though.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 8, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well SOMEbody’s a little cranky today ! can we get 3 something chocolate ? :-D
yes, 3, guesswork – wind, slope, air conditions, ground conditions, grass that could cause a flier or a ball to come out fluffy and go nowhere…or even snap left. There’s more to a shot than just yardage. Reading putts, perhaps ? Slope, grain, dampness or dryness, speed, even length isn’t exact by stepping it off.
There are a lot of ways to narrow the parameters, but there is ALWAYS guesswork.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guesswork ?
Well, …I guess we can only “guess” what scores y’all shoot ! I’m alergic to chocolate,…but a double JD on ice works rather well. Keep’em guessin’ mate.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 8, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey – I’m an 11 who gets to play a couple of rounds a month and no time to practice – didn’t take up the game until I was almost 30 and have yet to have a year with more than 3 lessons and have never had a full year of regular practice. That handicap puts me, statistically, in the top 15% of golfers in the world. I have broken 80 – which puts me statistically in the top 10% of golfers in the world.
And I still suck. :-)
So when I hear PGA Tour pros asking questions to their caddies, and throwing grass in the air – I know that there is GUESSwork going on.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 9, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's More Guess Work Than Not
All someone needs to do is watch Playing Lessons from the Pros to see how a tour pro operates. The yardage is only the starting point. Then they have to come up with a number that represents how the shot will play based on elevation change, wind, temperature, lie, how the shot will react when it lands, etc. So when they have 160 yards to the pin, but they determine the shot will play like 178 because it’s uphill with wind in the face on a chilly day, that’s an awful lot of guesswork involved.
by Double Eagle on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guesswork LMAO
Imagine what you could do if you eliminated the “guesswork” from your game. Good players “EVALUATE” the position they are playing from. First and foremost they want the “exact” yargadge to the target. Then the lie, wind and slope etc. They don’t just look at the flag and guesstimate it’s 145 yds ! The other factors are evaluated from experience and practice. Soooo, if you don’t practice shots you are disadvantaged . If you aren’t using a PGA pro to teach you then you truly are guessing. If one wants to get better, you can. It’s called effort and commitment. And please , don’t say you’re too old or have no time. Everybody gets 24 hrs in a day. Manage that time. I have 74 year old fella that see’s me about once a month. You tell him he’s too old to get better. He shoots his age from the front tee’s here at WR. How’d you like to play him a $100 nassau ? That’d be embarassing. But evrybody can improve. Hell, even Arnie is STILL trying to improve and he’s 80. Don’t give up on yourself. Playing to an exact yardage is part of that. Good luck…………………………..Z.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with you – but you’re trying to tell me that every shot that YOU hit reacts and goes exactly as you think it will. You have never been fooled by a lie…never been fooled by the wind…never underestimated how much extra club you needed for a cold day…never under or over estimated the affect of a slope…never under or over read the break on a putt….
You may be better at making your evaluations than most – but there have always been and always will be an element of guesswork in the game…even among the best in the world. Try to tell me there is no guesswork going on at the 12th at Augusta when the wind starts to swirl.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Dec 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No,...I've never shot 54 !
But, like Anika ,I visualize everyshot I hit going in the hole. If you don’t “trick” the mind into believing you’ve already hit that shot perfectly, doubts will creep in and that leads to tension and a less than fluid swing. This is mostly a mind game. Think better and score. “See it, believe it and execute”. Best lesson I ever got. Try it, you’ll be amazed. Only two things should be on your mind,…ball and target. I see weekend players implode regularly because they suffer from “stinkin’ thinkin’”. It is the game within the game. Learn and prosper.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 10, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
You’re either 18 or you sell range finders for a living. Many of us who post here regularly have reached a “certain age” and through long experience know how far we hit our wedges, irons and fairway metals — confidently.
If you’ve got the game to be a tour player or elite amateur, get it on. But for those of us who play for strictly recreational purposes, a good GPS provides all the information we need to avoid hazards and find the correct part of the green.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
by dianemarie on Dec 8, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Recreational purposes ?
Do you keep score ? If so, then SCORE matters……and there goes your recreational excuse. So, to the yard….how far does your cut 5 iron fly versus a stock 5 iron ? If you don’t know, it’s costing you shots in your “non-recreational” round. Nothing wrong with recreational golf, but I doubt you’d be in here if you weren’t interested in gaining a bit of knowledge. But hey, GPS works but it limits your potential. 12 years of scraping out a living tryin’ to play this game taught me at least that much…………………………..Z.
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by 3IRONS on Dec 8, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two Birds with one stone...
viz blog hits/role models.
I’m reminded of a blog which Chris Baldwin wrote over a year ago on WorldGolf (egged on by the infamous Wolfrum) about Jonas Bros. as BAD role models. I think it must have got thousands of comments, not just hits. It was ironic to read the filth that spewed from teenagers in defense of these upright (so I understand) young men and they had obviously never heard of satire. It was a deliberately cynical (albeit amusing) ploy to get hits and had zilch to do with golf, and I doubt if it brought in any advertising revenue to that site.
Don’t think WR has ever done this – but I wouldn’t object it if was well-written and humourous.
OK – back to GPS – of which I know nothing – obviously.
by WendyUK on Dec 8, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Garmin Approach G5
The Garmin Approach G5 is great. No subscription fees, runs on AA batteries, and has a touchscreen with a map of each hole. Want to know the distance to the middle of a dogleg, touch the screen and it shows you.
by PatrickEmerson on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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