Apparently, Golfers Aren't Above Selacious Reports After All
by courtgolf on Nov 30, 2009 10:59 AM EST
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PrintI have NEVER been as embarrassed of Golf Channel as I have been this past week. Starting with a National Enquirer article claiming that Tiger Woods had had an affair with some bimbo who makes a living dating married men. Yes - the NATIONAL ENQUIRER - that bastion of journalistic integrity. Golfers fell for it by the thousands. No proof required...including the supposed leading voice of golf broadcasting.
Then a late night run in with a fire hydrant and a tree - followed by a trip to the hospital for a quick checkover and a ride home. Didn't take long for "us" to climb all over this one, did it ? Again - no need for proof - it was another race to prove that 1+1=3.
If it's selacious - it MUST be true. Tiger is rich, right? He MUST be corrupt.
The reports start coming in - Elin knocked out the BACK window to get to him. Yes - the BACK window. Why? Because hubby was sitting in the FRONT seat - and she didn't want to whack him in the head or cover him with glass.
She got to him before calling 911 - an action that makes perfect sense unless you are a "modern" person with some strange belief that regular people can't do anything without calling the government first. (Yes, people, fire and police emergency services are govenment.)
Instead of wondering if the guy was alright - the "reporting" immediately skips to "Was Tiger running off to meet the busty blond bimbo?"
Or "Elin must've run him out of the house after an argument over the bimbo." No proof required - just "professional media" speculation.
And people everywhere fell for it.
Now the "media" are camped outside the gates of Isleworth hoping Tiger will come out and talk to them - condemning him for not falling all over himself on bended knee to tell his side of the story. And when he doesn't talk to them, they write stories and blather on TV about how big a mistake it is for him to not make a public statement.
This morning, Golf Channel announced that they will have legal "experts" and four other "experts" on Golf Central to explain the whole thing. No matter that they don't know the whole story. No matter that Tiger is doing the right thing by staying away from the media. No matter that Tiger is doing the right thing by NOT making a statement to the highway patrol who keep banging on his door.
Here's news for you sycophants - he doesn't HAVE to make a statement to a cop in a car. The same way that you and I don't HAVE to take a breathalyzer test in the field or make any kind of statement to the police without a lawyer present.
Here's a good idea for you all...wait for the FACTS to come out. The guy was a little banged up - but he was treated and released. He can afford insurance on his car and health insurance...and he has cash on hand enough to (1) replace the hydrant, (2) repair the water line, and (3) dig up that tree and have a new one put in if the neighbors want.
Past that - ENOUGH with the gossip. It's embarrassing. And SHAME on Golf Channel for carrying on the way they have.
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I’m glad that someone wrote something contrarian. It’s better that way to have both public sides represented. But, do want to clear up a few things.
Rachel’s not blonde – she’s a brunette. Haha, had to do that.
I think there is some serious debate as to his not saying anything being a good idea. Him not saying anything will keep this story going for the parties that want to keep it going. My thought would be that Tiger can silence everything by telling his version of it (hell, it can be fabricated) and controlling the story. Woods is really smart about releasing just enough info to keep the papparazzi away from him, but they clearly aren’t satisfied right now.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions
oh please – if Tiger makes a statement, that will amount to picking up a power pill in Pac Man – just more crap for them to run out and speculate on.
Hmm – I’ve only seen two pictures of the bimbo – both were blond….definitely busty.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court with all respect I couldn’t disagree w/you more.
It’s become really popular to say ‘tiger doesn’t have to say anything’ or ’doesn’t owe us anything’. No argument. Those are both factually true.
But to RB’s point…if he simply did say what happened, and if it is all as innocent and uninteresting as he’s made it sound, then there is less to feed the (media) beast.
This isn’t just my opinion it’s my experience of having deal with a number of crisis communication situations in my real job for over 15+ years.
In the absence of facts and information, people speculate. Speculation knows no end. It is human nature and that will never change. Tiger can try to ignore how people are…or simply say what happened and be done with it. His statement was a start but ultimately left more questions than answers. It didn’t serve him that well…but was better than nothing.
This isn’t someone (me) saying this because I want to tear some hero down…it’s saying what the reality is and Tiger is undoubtedly hearing it from his advisors too. He’s just choosing to not act upon it.
She got to him before calling 911
court golf ? She got to him before calling 911 ? Though I agree with you on the rushing to his aid, the record clearly states that only one phone call was made to 911 by a neighbor and not by Elin. Also, I agree with you on the Golf Channel poor journalistic format, hence the majority of the regular bloggers from TGC moving over to waggleroom on my recomendation. I’m sure tonights round table chat with the SO CALLED “panel of experts”will be a big “Sugar Coating Festival” as it always is when it comes to TW or MW for that matter. They did their best to downplay the driver going into the crowd in OZ now didn’t they. At this point all that needs to happen is for Mr. Woods to come out of his protective shell and tell the 50% that want to know what REALLY happened and the speculation will end. I do not think its asking to much of a billionaire, to “MAN UP” to your supporting public, that pays a portion of your salary via, event tickets, merchandise, etc etc.. JMHO…progolf/jumpn
The reports I have heard said that there were TWO calls made to 911. The report I heard that one was by a neighbor and one later by Elin…which wasn’t necessary since the first one was made. One call or two – it really isn’t important to the story.
I have less than no interest in this “round table” show. They have nothing to talk about – it will be worse than an episode of The View. I hope nobody watches – which won’t happen. Unfortunately, they will probably get some of their highest ratings, which will just encourage them to do this kind of programming more often and continue to hire lame announcers.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Court, the FHP said that only one call was made and that was the one that released. So any reports about two calls is false.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
If my wife were to back into the maple tree across the street from the end of the driveway, I would run out there and start trying to help her immediately. Once I determined that she was hurt badly enough to require medical assistance, I would THEN call 911.
If my neighbor saw/heard the accident, and called 911, he would almost certainly come out and tell me so. He knows Maggie, he would certainly be interested in seeing if she was okay. I bet he would even mention that he had called for help so I didn’t have to leave her.
Speculation as to what happened? Yes. But common sense speculation, much more so than Elin was mad at Tiger and was beating the hell out of the car with a rescue club.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
courtgolf,
You should save your embarrassment for yourown post in the other TW thread, the one about the TW Brand. I’ve already corrected you there but now you need some correction about the NE story. Here’s an excerpt I posted in the other TW thread….
“Rachel has even been caught in outright lies in specific comment responses to The ENQUIRER.
Rachel traveled to Australia to meet with Tiger while he played earlier this month in the Australian Masters, both sources said. BUT Rachel initially told us she traveled there with a boyfriend.
In a later conversation, however, she admitted to The ENQUIRER she had lied about going to Australia with a boyfriend. She said she was in the country "for business."
She also said she was not in Tiger’s hotel. But an Enquirer reporter eye witnessed her IN the hotel.
She then said she did not go to the floor of the hotel where Tiger was staying.
BUT an ENQUIRER reporter in Melbourne watched as Rachel checked in to the posh Crown Towers hotel, and went up to the 35th floor, which houses the hotel’s ritzy VIP Suite. Tiger was staying in the same hotel, according to local press reports."
….as I said there, the NE is interested in selling papers; they are releasing information slowly; but from the information released in the excerpt I posted above, it’s hard to find any fault with the NE. But go ahead and try. Note well, it does not PROVE an affair; it simplies alleges that an affair happened. But I seriously resent your implication that we are stupid, you said, and I quote…“Golfers fell for it by the thousands. No proof required…”. Bulltickie!!!! I’m sure I speak for millions of other fairminded people who took the NE allegations exactly as they were written. I await the further evidence they imply they will be releasing later. But I have been married for >40 years and if someone accused me of having an affair, I would vehemently deny it. Look what happened in this case; the woman was caught in multiple lies while denying it, and TW hires the 2009 equivalent of the OJ dream team to defend him while refusing to even address the accusations. That tells me something; but I will wait for the promised further evidence.
Ok – so you have circumstantial “evidence” that a woman who makes a living dating married men put herself in the same places as Tiger Woods. No proof of an affair.
The Enquirer has been caught manufacturing “news” before. My prediction ? This will end up with the Enquirer being sued by Woods for defamation.
Your “corrections” are incidental at best. If I got the number of 911 calls wrong – it doesn’t change anything. You choose to put your faith in a gossip rag. I can’t do anything about that…your perogative.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
courtgolf,
I did not correct you about the 911 calls. And I do not choose to put my faith in a gossip rag; I merely posted what that gossip rag said. It’s not my evidence but the NE’s. I put my faith in my ability to read and discern from what I read. From what little I’ve read here so far, at the NE and TMZ site, there is definitely more to come on this story. No question about it, TW is covering up something. Note well, he has not denied the allegations.
BTW, your prediction is about the most ignorant thing I’ve ever seen posted by a supposedly intelligent person. Even if TW was completely innocent, he would not expose himself to all the scrutiny that a lawsuit woud bring. Now the team of Rachel Ulbitel(sp?) and Gloria Allred, that’s a different matter.
BTW, you don’t really think TW is completely innocent, do you? I know you’ve stated that you don’t care, but I’ve had this swampland for some time and if you do, I might just have found my mark.
I've made worse bets (lol)
Better check the history of the Enquirer – they have been sued time and again – and have lost millions.
By “innocent” – are you asking me if Tiger could be the next Pope ? I don’t believe the Pope is completely innocent as a human being. People screw up. Tiger hit a fire hydrant and a tree – bad driving – he should get a ticket and pay the damages.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
So, at this point in the game, it’s the Enquirer against Rachel, right?
Since Rachel travels frequently as part of her job (she told me that), then it is reasonable to believe that she could have been in Australia at the same time.
But, that doesn’t mean that anyone has actually spoken the truth yet. The Enquirer’s web story that supposedly exposes Rachel as a liar is just a reiteration of their print story. It actually proves nothing. And the picture of Ashley Samson doesn’t directly ID this girl. Go Google her name and see if you can find anything.
I’m not saying that the Enquirer is right or wrong, but you can’t just take them at face value. But I’m a cynical person.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of people have said, “if there’s smoke there’s fire.”
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with your sentiment for the most part. I just wanted to nitpick something minor. In some communist strongholds like the one I live in, refusing to take a breathalyzer test is legally a defacto admission of guilt. There is also no right to have an attorney present when the breathalyzer test is given.
The only reason I point this out is because the laws of Florida apply in this case and they may differ from our own state laws, so we should keep that in mind as we continue to dissect the legal aspect of the situation.
Funny you should mention that – I was in St Augustine for the holidays. The local news made an effort to point out that Woods didn’t have to talk to the FHP…no matter how many times they knocked on his door. The only thing I wondered about was that the media kept saying they changed the “appointement” with the police a couple of times.
Where do you live that a refusal to take a breathalyzer is a defacto admission of guilt ? Most states allow the police to arrest you for refusal to take the test because that test has been proven to be inaccurate at times. It isn’t an admission of guilt – it’s a point of personal protection if you don’t think you’re guilty.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yeah, that’s how it is in MD. If you refuse a breathalyzer (though Woods couldn’t, he was unconscious), then they take your license away while the investigation happens.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 30, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
New Jersey
Title 39:4-50.2:
“Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the municipal court shall revoke the right to operate a motor vehicle of any operator who, after being arrested for a violation of R.S.39:4-50 or section 1 of P.L.1992, c.189 (C.39:4-50.14), shall refuse to submit to a test provided for in section 2 of P.L.1966, c.142 (C.39:4-50.2) when requested to do so, for not less than seven months or more than one year unless the refusal was in connection with a second offense under this section, in which case the revocation period shall be for two years or unless the refusal was in connection with a third or subsequent offense under this section in which case the revocation shall be for ten years.”
It goes on to explain that only a preponderance of the evidence need show that the officer had probable cause to believe the driver was DUI, which is pretty much a non-issue. “Yes, your honor, he crossed the yellow line and I smelled alcohol”
Yes, the Constitution is dead here.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t sound like you’re guilty if you refuse the field sobriety test. It says that you lose your license if you refuse submit to a test AFTER being arrested.
I can understand being taken in for suspicion when it’s a matter of public safety.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Yes, but the officer will arrest you first and then try to compel you to to take the test, not the other way around. All he needs is probable cause and that’s very easy to prove.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
No, refusing a field sobriety test is not a defacto admission of guilt.
First of all, those are not admissible in most states’ court systems. If you fail a field sobriety test, you are generally taken “downtown” for a test using a calibrated system operated by a trained and certified officer of the court.
Secondly, even then, the Fifth Amendment completely overrules your speculation.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
See Above
For the statute number. Feel free to read it in its entirety. Don’t try to apply logic to the laws of New Jersey.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
They revoke your license here in North Carolina too.
Keep in mind that driving is a legal privilege, not a right, and that there is a huge difference. You can have your license revoked for any number of reasons, for example, not paying your taxes.
And revoking your license is not a conviction for DUI/DWI. That still must be established in a court of law.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
personal opinion has no place in the law, but...
…this is one of those areas that I’m glad they tend to err on the side of caution…and not often enough. Easy for me to say since I am always the designated driver.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You're right
And I never said it’s a default conviction. I just said it’s an admission of guilt. Anyone who admits guilt to any charge still has a right to a trial. But it’s akin to a signed confession.
Still, to me, it doesn’t jive with the Fifth when you are compelled to comply with testing without a court order. Driving is a privilege but a DUI can also result in incarceration. Being compelled to provide evidence against yourself without a warrant or with the benefit of legal counsel is not cool.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, you are not compelled unless there is an accident. You are asked to do so and you have the right to refuse. If you do, the state can and will revoke your driving privileges.
This changes, of course, if there is a serious accident – the courts can then compel you to provide blood samples as it is evidence.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe “compel” is not the best word. They cannot use force to compel you to take a test. But when an officer stands there and tells you to take the test or it’s like an admission of guilt and no, you can’t have a lawyer to guide you, that’s getting pretty close to the line. Accident or not, that’s what happens when you are suspect of DUI here.
That doesn’t meet the legal definition of a compulsory test, but ask anyone who has been through that (no, I haven’t) if they felt compelled and I think you’ll find that we’re splitting hairs over legal semantics because it probably doesn’t seem like much of a choice at the time.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
speed limit
The speed limit in the residential section of the Isleworth Gated Community is just 15 MPH and has many speed bumps. TW is reported to have been going 30-35 MPH by the local and state police findings. I live in a similar community in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. with almost the same rules. If I had children and I was a neighbor of the person that wiped out the firehydrant and crashed into a tree, I would want to know what happened to cause that for the future safety of my family…just sayin…jumpn/progolf
The only thing we know about the speed is that it was less than 33mph because the airbags did not deploy.
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by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Umm – your driveway doesn’t have a speed limit – you don’t even have to have a drivers license to drive on your own property.
That must be some driveway if he could get up to 30-35 mph backing out of his driveway.
Excellent point on the safety of the kids…can you imagine the next homeowner’s meeting ? “Mr Woods – we’d like to talk to you about your driving habits…”
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
If your kids were running around on the streets at 2:30 am, I might wonder even more about your parenting habits.
Just sayin’.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I am speechless
I have no speech. I am without speech.
Now THIS is a funny car accident
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by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Of Sharks and Tigers
Hi boys! I see the blood is in the water now… There’s something to be learned in all this. We are seeing what has happened to “the news”. I remember when CNN initiated their every 30 minutes, Headline News. Now it’s got a hipper name, HLN… They had a segment called the Hollywood Minute. That was the official start of the unholy marriage between news and gossip. Now the two are so intermingled we can’t tell one from the other. Look what’s happened with “The Balloon Boy” farce and now this gate crashing couple. Do you remember how many hours of coverage the balloon story got? This gate crashing couple is a bit more serious in that they penetrated what was thought to be excellent security. Perhaps the only newsworthy aspect of this mess is Golf has never had a scandal of any proportion and certainly not one involving its current number one player. That’s why everyone who’s ever missed a three foot putt is weighing in. Some want Tiger to have his god given right to privacy, others want to know every detail…This just in! The speed limit in Isleworth is 15 mph!!!! PG, your heart felt concern for the children of Isleworth is touching. If he was speeding, nail ‘em…. Oh wait I read he owns the police. Sure makes Greg Norman’s divorce look like small potatoes. Time to take the dogs for a walk, four or five comments have arrived since I started.
PING
Ping ya chucklehead, hahahaha, j/k brother. Glad to see you have joined us at waggleroom.com. BTW, I have a lot of respect for the kids in my neighborhood as they are our future. I hope that you never have to deal with any of your dogs getting run over by a car exceeding the speed limit…progolf/jumpn
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One of the best things I like about waggleroom is that the bloggers not only get to interact with each other almost instantly, but you get to interact with the writers of the stories as well. You won’t get that over at “Back Peddle Central” I mean the Golf Channel. Should be interesting how this whole mess shakes out….jumpn/progolf
damn skippy – glad you said something, pro – I don’t think it or say it often enough.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
take your pick.
All I said was that I was glad you said what you said – sometimes I don’t show appreciation to good places like WR as often as I should.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
no worries
Glad I could say it for ya. It is a good place. Several weeks ago I was on a golf vacation in Aukland, New Zealand and a local pro I played with recomended this site to me. I’m glad I took his advice. It sure is good to read some good golf jounalism once in a while and it sure beats the hell out of the “SO CALLED” Senior golf writers at TGC. Any guess as to what Rich Lerners golf backround was prior to joining TGC in 1999. ABSOLUTLEY NONE. I doubt todays Golf Channel is what Arnie had in mind when he started it. Lets face it, it’s owned by COMCAST and most of the exec’s on TGC board of directors are former marketing and sales people from the marketing machine known as Comcast….progolf/jumpn
Can’t argue with you about Golf Channel’s going downhill.
They are, as my teenage friend says, “teh suck” now.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I wish someone would tell me...
…when I can tune in to not see the Big Break.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Courtgolf
FYI,….Woods is the personification of EVERY sponsor he represents. He keeps Nike awash in black ink. Every consumer has a RIGHT to now who they are dealing with, whether it be soft goods or stock purchase. When Woods agreed to accept millions from these sponsors, he gave up the right to his privacy. If consumers think a company’s spokes-person is a degenerate, they have the right to support other brands, and they will .Does the name Martina Navratolova mean anything to ya ? Now,…Woods is no degenerate, but he is a pompous, arrogant ass who feels he can figuritively give the FHP the bird, 3 DAYS IN SUCCESSION. He is about to learn the “OJ” method of police retaliation. If they get his medical reords from the night in question and the surveilance hard drive by warrant, his whole career could be severly harmed. What if the blood work finds a banned substance under Tour rules ? Yah,…that’d kinda be the “kill shot” wouldn’t it ? Ask Doug Barron. Woods need to be accountable. Nobody cares if he was bangin’ this NYC whore,..except Elin of course. Man up and take your medicine. He’s making a grave error by picking a procedural fight with the cops. THEY WILL COME AFTER HIM AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY ! It gives golf a black eye, and that is all I’m really concerned with. Woods extra-marital romps in the hay do not interest me. His golf and the game do !…………………………..Z.
3irons glad to see you joined
I think we have another 8-10 regulars left to make the switch from TGC. I think we are up to 10 so far…jumpn/progolf
Wrong again – no consumer has a right to know anything about the people endorsing a company. Where do you come up with this stuff ? Gave up his right to privacy ??? Because he is paid by a company ? Be serious.
If you are a STOCK HOLDER, you are entitled to financial information about the company, but you don’t have any say in financial decisions and you are certainly no entitled to personal information.
He is a “pompous, arrogant ass” ? And you’re basing this on how much personal interraction with the man ?
And what the heck does Doug Barron failing a PGA Tour drug test have to do with Tiger wrecking his car ?
Woods isn’t fighting any procedure. He is following the same rights you and I have in dealing with the police.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Good lord, do you not think that Woods has lawyers advising him every step of the way, or that his sponsors have not been in touch and that they are not advising him as well?
Use some common sense. The first call Woods probably made Friday morning was to his legal team. The second was to his folks at IMG who are no doubt working with Nike and others.
Old man par
Yea I’m sure he called IMG and their legal team. But then goes out and hires a new guy who “specializes” in sweeping dirt for his Hollywood flake clients. He’s pissed-off the FHP and they now view him a “prize” bust, because he’s embarassed tehm. Just like OJ. Eventually they got him, they usually do. Woods is pissing into the wind if he thinks FHP will back off because he is the “GREAT” Tiger Woods. THAT,…is bad for golf…………………….Z.
It’s hard to take supposition based on supposition as fact, 3Iron.
If they view him as a “prize” – then why did they recently deny they are attempting to get a search warrant?
A one-car accident with no fatalities legally reported as required, with no stated suspicion of alcohol involvement is hardly going to result in anything more than a traffic court charge. He is not legally required to give a statement to police.
As for OJ, I fail to see a connection between a murder investigation and a simple car accident.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
courtgolf
Yes, I have had personal interaction with Woods on several occassions. If the FHP are successful in obtaining crash night medical records, those results will be made public. Should they contain a Tour banned substance, Woods will be in the same boat as Doug Barron. Does golf need it’s # 1 attraction suspended for a year ? By his actions Woods is forcing the FHP to play hardball. All he needed to do was talk to them, and this whole matter would have been cleared up. He’s playing with fire here, and his career is in the balance. You’re dead wrong about consumers. They express their right by whom they support. I am a business man, and we do not have any Nike equipment in our shop because we disagree with their labor policy. How’s that for" rights". If the public views Woods as they did Navratolova, Nike could lose millions. I don’t expect that to happen. But if this escalates the public “WILL” have a say in the outcome………………………………Z.
wow – that’s a LONG way around the bend to explain your point…but I see where you were going, but I think you’re stretching to make a point. The police would be interested in alcohol and illegal drugs. Playing hardball ? Woods isn’t doing anything illegal by not talking to a cop in a car. And no – this thing wouldn’t necessarily be “cleaned up” by talking to the police.
wow – you finally got a “rights” statement correct. it IS your right to deal with the companies you want to. I hope you’re as careful with the rest of the companies you deal with who also make their products overseas and not just choose against Nike because the media decided to take shots at them.
his career is in the balance ? …. no …that one isn’t even worth a response. I’m done.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Old Man Par
It has been reported from several sources, that FHP are in the process of obtaining a warrant for his residence and access to his crash night medical records. It isn’t advisable to piss off law enforcement. They tend to be a little vindictive , no matter who you are. OJ found this out.
"Not true," Capt. Mark Welch, a department spokesman, told the Herald.
Welch said the pro golfer, 33, arguably the most recognized athlete in the world – and now in the hands of criminal defense attorney Mark NeJame – has already declined to meet with them today for the fourth consecutive day.
"He’s only required to provide us with specific information, which he has complied with: driver’s license, registration, proof of insurance," Welch said
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
3irons
Tough Crowd ey ?? hahahahaha, I love it though. I guess I need to put a pic of myself up in here.
You’ll find that the comments section of this site is not filled with mouth-breathing idiots like Golf Channel’s forums are.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
And a place where your comments dont get deleted. From what I can tell the people here are far more intelligent then some people that post on TGC.
I don’t even bother with xxx Golf Channel’s forums anymore.
Their software sucks and the discussion level there is worse than your typical fanboy college fan site. A lot of the folks here are pretty intelligent and rational folks. Me excluded of course.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t agree with you more Mr Par. Also the writers on this site are very fair with their reporting, unlike the groveling, drooling and biased ones over at TGC. They might as well re-name it the TWC or MWC as that is all they seem to write about. I’m glad I switched over to waggleroom…progolf/jumpn
News Flash!
They are THE SAME mouth breathing idiots from TGC!
EM66 ya bastage hehehe
Not me but I do get my fair share of tail as I do live on the beach. high 5’s to ya
Old Man Par
Well, that is good to hear, re: FHP/warrant story. Very good to hear ! However, not so good is Woods pulling out of his own tournament citing Doctors orders. This is the same Woods who defied doctors requests that he not play the 09 US Open ?. He can play on one leg, but a fire plug puts him out this week ? Must have been some fire-plug !…blonde, blue-eyed, 9 iron totin’ momma I’d guess. LMAO……………………………..Z.
Blimey
Someone remind 3irons that he hasn’t taken his medication.
What’s all this with TGC refugees, pls?
gee wendy
Thanks for the (not so warm) welcome. We are not refugee’s, we are just a bunch of golfers and bloggers that got frustrated with the biased reporting and 3rd grade blog site @ TGC….jumpn/progolf
The more, the merrier. This is a good site and always welcomes new commenters.
You can post your own stories and if Ryan thinks them good they get main billing.
Can’t beat that.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
no warrant required
Apparently in Florida, the police do not need a warrant to access medical records ?? That can’t be so ?………could it ???
Wendy,UK
It’s after noon here, and my first medication is sliding downquite nicely. JD on ice, thank-you very much ! Only love life I’m focused on is my own.One good woman is more than enough. TW wants party girls, get professionals,..(.hell, he can afford’em,)…just like Jordan did. Apparently he didn’t follow MJ’s template in this area. Maybe he should have.
LOL, I am about to go get my first of the day, at around 5pm.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
courtpro
Career in balance, as in Doug Barron and banned meds. I’m an America First believer. Hell, even the gas in my car is 100% produced in this country. It takes an effort but I think it’s worth it. How about y’all? Ya driven Detroit iron or an import ? Every little bit makes a difference.
There's a reason why...
…the big three are continually swirling around the bowl. I like the idea of buying American, but I believe more in letting my dollars voice my displeasure. Until they get their act together, I’ll continue to drive my Honda.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oddly enough, my Honda was manufactured in Marysville, Ohio.
Besides, buying GM/Ford/Chrysler won’t stop them from using 40-50% foreign content nor will it stop them from moving overseas first chance they get.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Except probably GM. They’re majority owned by a combination of the U.S. Treasury and the U.A.W., so it’s doubtful that they’re going anywhere.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
News Flash!
GM opening a new assembly facility……….IN CANADA!!!
Honda
That works dude. They are built here using our steel and labor. It is “The American Honda Motor Company Inc.” after all. I hear ya regards your displeasure with Detroit though. I believe in change from within I suppose. Plus I love the KICK in the pants feel from this new Camaro. 426 hp and 30 mpg too ! …………………………..Z.
Say what?
Camaro Featured Specs
426 horsepower (400 with automatic)
0-60 mph in 4.7 seconds
3,857-pound curb weight
16/24 mpg EPA fuel economy
I know, I know Tiger Woods changeds the numbers…. That kick in the pants may mean you need to change your Depends……
Hugger fan ?
ping,…you an old hot rod guy too ? Who da thunk it, lol. My bad,….I have the automatic with 400 hp. It has some gizmo that cuts out 4 cylinders when you’re cruising. Took it up tp Flagstaff a while back and I averaged 30.1 mpg. It’s a blast to drive. Real frisky. I’m thinkin of throwing the Viagra away and instead just give the Hugger’s throttle a burp,.“when the occassion presents itself”. I keep the tank full all the time ! lol………………………z.
Let me see if I understand this… You got 30+ mpg with a 400 cu. in. V-8 going to Flagstaff from Scottadale. Is that right? That’s up hill so I doubt very much of the time the engine would be firing 4 cylinders. But I think I know how you got that mileage. You towed the car on a trailer to Sedona….
Hugger
Ping,…..Round trip dude. What goes up(to Flagstaff) must come down(to Scottsdale)The AFM system only cut out a few times going up, and of course I was always doing the “posted limit”, lol. You should drive one of these, you’ll love it. The stretch down by Papago is a great spot to let ‘er rip ! Just be sure to bring along the Depends and fresh Jockey’s. Might get a little sideways from time to time, (Stabili Trac “off” is a must) so just a word of caution. LMAO…………………………Z.
There is a lot to chew on here
My overall viewpoint is that this fanpost is a bit too fanboy for my taste, but it’s still a nice balance to most everything else being written. I do feel there is a presumption of guilt hanging out there currently on the issue, and perhaps this is an attempt to balance that out.
However, I think this debate has turned in many circles to “pro-Tiger” versus “anti-Tiger”, which is unfortunate. I think this is a case of multiple things being equally true, whether you are or are not a fan of Tiger Woods.
I think Tiger’s personal life should be just that – personal. But I do believe in the public’s right to full disclosure, in instances where public resources (fire, police) are being used. I don’t believe for a minute that Tiger is an ongoing threat to the public, or at least to the people of his local community. Yet, I believe that community has a right to know if Tiger was driving a vehicle while incapacitated, regardless of the time of day it occurred. Clearly Tiger has the right to NOT talk to the Florida Highway Patrol. I also think it appears suspicious that he agreed to do so, then delayed that interview and ultimately cancelled.
We can continue to debate the role of media and responsible journalism in this case – but I think it’s important to temper that criticism as well. I doubt anyone could convince me that this same media hasn’t been a key participant in making Tiger Woods, Inc. what it is today. The lion has certainly turned on its master…and I wonder if Tiger and his advisers might have been able to defuse this a bit better.
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
By law, Mr. Woods has made all the disclosure he needs to make — and that’s according to the spokesman for the Florida State Highway patrol.
by Charles Boyer on Nov 30, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I understand the legalities from Tiger's perspective
But that does not mean the FHP aren’t still interested in finding out the actual events that occurred.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
how do you know they didn’t ? That’s what investigators do – they look at the physical evidence and figure out what happened. Tiger said he was backing out of his driveway and hit the hydrant and ricocheted and hit a tree. The doctors treated his injuries and said that alcohol was not involved. If the investigators say that the evidence backs up the statement – they ticket and fine him for unsafe driving, and send him a bill for the hydrant, water line, and maybe a tree.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Alcohol is not the only substance
That could cause a problem operating a motor vehicle.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
The easiest way to defuse it, if they actually care to do so, is to provide some rational explanation. When Tiger Woods comes out and says it’s his fault but the details are going to remain private, then no one’s curiosity is satisfied, leading to the appetite for information that keeps the rumor mills cranking.
In all honesty, if they had just fabricated some lie about a dog running out in front of him the story would probably be dead already even if most of us thought it sounded fishy.
I’m kind of of the opinion that I’m not due an explanation beyond what is a matter of public record (i.e. police reports and any possible future legal actions, etc.), but that doesn’t mean I’m not curious and won’t indulge myself in a little spin around the rumor mill here and there.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
"Fanboy" ??
Think about it this way, Otis – if it were YOU in this situation – I would be saying the exact same things. There’s a difference in being a fan and doing what is right because it is right.
I admit that I am a Tiger Woods – the Golfer – fan…but in all honesty, as long as he’s not breaking laws, I don’t really care what he does away from the course.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I apologize for the word
If it upset you. I guess I could have gone with “unbalanced” (meaning point of view, not mental). It appears you are on the other extreme from the Tiger naysayers is all. So I agree with this statement:
Here’s a good idea for you all…wait for the FACTS to come out.The rest is pretty much seems to be pro-Tiger spin – just my opinion.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
HEY now…watch it calling me “unbalanced”…only my docto….oops… (lol)
I wasn’t upset at the word – just picked it out because it was incorrect. What I said had nothing to do with being for or against Tiger – everything I said was about doing what is right – and the media isn’t doing what is right.
Like I said, if it were YOU in the same situation, I would back YOU 100% the same way. And unless you are Otis Sistrunk or Spunkmeyer, I’m not a fan as far as I know.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
I don't necessarily disagree
The TMZ’s and National Enquirer’s of the world are a sad reminder of where many people prefer to get their news of the day.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
OK
3irons/em66 – so I’m not so good at smiley faces. Now that you’ve burst into the bar (where I was sitting quietly nursing my half-pint), mine’s a large scotch thank you very much.
The TGC team sound a bit hyper to a low-key Brit. like myself and I genuinely didn’t know what was going on over at that site. I’m a “refugee” from World/Travel Golf myself so nothing pejorative meant in use of that phrase.
Anyway, you’re all bloggers, I’m just a lowly poster – sigh – not even a poster girl.
BUT you’re still just ratcheting it up in my opinion.
Buy American
OldManPar,…yea, you are right about the foreign content issue. But at least the steel and labor is US provided. It’s a start. The bigger problem is the oil corps. When 700 billion dollars a year is going to oil producing regions that wish us harm, those dollars are gone forever. Think about that,…$700 billion. There are lots of US oil corps that use only 100% American produced product. If we all patronized these US corps the impact on those wishing us harm would be massive. Think about that the next time you fill’er up at Shell……………………Z.
Fanboy ???
Here’s the difference between how you view this, and how I see it. I believe Woods owes his best to the “game” on and off the course. He does a lot of good things off the course, as in the TW Foundation, etc, and is deservedly applauded for his efforts. This of course enhances his image and we all think that is great. But when something negative happens on or off the course, that impacts his image too. He’s a role model to youg kids whether they golf or not, and he needs to represent the sport in a positive light. His silence has now clouded an otherwise exemplary off course image. It only fuels the negativity and is destructive. It hurst the game, and my goal is to “make golf a better game”. I’m not a Woods fan, but I am a golf fan. This whole thing has been handled with an arrogance that puts our game in the news for all the wrong reasons. Bonds and others did it to baseball, and it still has not recovered. Golf needs Woods at his best, and vice versa. An explanation, even a manufactured one, would have settled this by now. I feel for the game, not Woods personally. I don’t think anybody can say this has been handled correctly. Woods and Co. have dropped the ball.
Hmm – so hitting a fire hydrant and a tree with his SUV are going to bring down Tiger Woods and the game of golf – who’da thunk it ?
SO – have YOU been in any single car accidents that WE have a right to know about ? Driven after having a few adult beverages ? “Inhaled” ? Used any politically incorrect “racist” language ? Told any off color jokes ? Overdrawn your bank account ? Missed a credit card or car payment ?
The ONLY thing this fuels is an over-self-important media that thinks it is owed access to every inch of any public figure they see fit to target…which in turn gets a good portion of a gullible public up in arms.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
You bring up and interesting point...
…that I’ve often thought about.
Not about golf so much, but about the media creating the idea that they are owed access to people. There is a local sports talk radio station here and everyone (hosts and callers) seems to get all indignant at Andy Reid (the head coach of the Eagles) because he basically says nothing in the league/team mandated press conferences. Same thing for the rest of the teams, coaches, management, players, etc.
I can’t count how many times I’ve heard someone say that a player/team/coach/league owes people an explanation for this or that because the fans buy tickets.
In my mind (and maybe yours too, I’m guessing, based on your thoughts), the media has created a system where they have gained access because they have convinced people that they are owed access. From the media perspective, obviously it’s about making money. But they have turned that idea of access into some kind of “right” that we have.
I’ve read in these various Tiger Woods threads people saying things to the effect that they spend money on golf and thus, indirectly on Tiger Woods, so they have a right to know what kind of person it gets spent on. I think I have to disagree with that. I am a fan of Tiger Woods because I like the guy, but I don’t think that gives me access to his life outside the ropes. I might change my opinion based on things I hear, but I don’t believe I’m owed any access.
When I plunk down $10 to see a movie, I don’t think that entitles me to the right to know that Tom Cruise is a nut or that Chris Farley was a drug abuser or whatever. I am paying for two hours of entertainment. If I find out these kinds of things then that might affect my future decisions, but I’m paying for a product, not for a piece of a person’s life. When I go to a department store and buy an appliance, I don’t feel entitled to know that the guy that assembled it is a crack head or that his boss is a pedophile, so why is the idea of celebrity so much different?
I confess to being curious and seeking out tawdry information and the like about famous people sometimes, but I don’t feel like I’m owed that kind of access.
by Double Eagle on Nov 30, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Fanboy
OK,…I’ll plead guilty to all of the above. However, I’m not the #1 player in the world who impacts thousands.Also,my conduct has never sullied the game and I have never been linked to a professional party girl .(Tuscalosa not withstanding,lol.). Your point is well taken.You are a fan of Mr.Woods and perhaps feel he is above being taken to task for his actions or lack thero of. That’s your perogative. I remain a fan/steward of the game by career path. To each his own.
so you’re saying that if you’re the #1 golfer in the world, the Constitution and legal system applies to you differently than it does for anybody else ?
You’re also saying that getting caught driving drunk (just as an example) wouldn’t affect any young golers you might influence ?
I never said he was above being taken to task for his actions – but this was a traffic accident in his own driveway. His action didn’t affect anybody else but himself and possibly a few neighbors who might have lost water service for a few hours in the middle of the night. I DID say that he will probably get a ticket and have to pay for the damages.
If he was caught in some sort of criminal enterprise (last time I checked, there wasn’t much of a conspiracy against the water company) I would want him punished in the courts. This is a traffic accident and he will have to deal with the courts – but this kind of media attention is nothing short of assinine.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
ahhhhh courtgolf
You keep saying it happened in his own driveway several times today. It happened on a Public Street 150 yards from his driveway. Not that I’m trying to start an argument,,,jes sayin…jumpn
constitution !
No, not at all. The constitution applies to everybody. But there are certain perks to being # 1 in the golf world, and Woods enjoys those. He has an ethical obligation to the game, it’s fans and sponsors, as a result. It’s a two way street. But he choses to close the door and hide behind a cloak of leagal wrangling. He’s not a stand up guy in my book , and this knocks him down another notch or two. I am unable to respect anybody that will not stand up and be accountable for their actions. It’s just not in me I suppose. Woods is using his celebrity to take the easy way out, and he is less of a man for doing so. Where I come from, you fight your own battles. He chooses to hide out. I cannot respect that.
Funny thing is – the LEGAL wrangling seems to be the least intrusive problem he has. It’s the leach media that has jumped off the deep end on this whole thing.
I wasn’t going to watch that nonsense on xxx Golf Channel last night, but it was on when I turned on the TV this morning. Rich Lerner started off with his usual arrogant tone, followed by John Feinstein repeating what had just been said (production people at xxx Golf Channel aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer) THEN jumping right into bizarre speculation. He asked what had Tiger so upset ? (idiot – why did he HAVE to be upset ? haven’t you ever had to dodge an animal in the street ? why jump to a negative ? moron) Why did Elin knock out a back window when Tiger was in the front seat ? (ummm – you idiot – because she didn’t want to hit him with the club or flying glass ? moron)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
Regarding the Broken Window
I have to disagree there. If I wanted to get to a passed out person in a big SUV, breaking out the back window would be my absolute last choice because it would cause me to have to climb up a bumper and through a window filled with remaining glass shards then over two rows of seats to get to him. Breaking the glass out of one of the 4 doors would allow the door to be opened by reaching in and pulling the door handle.
I have doubts that worrying about a few shards of flying glass would have even occurred to her in a panic, but even if it did, the logical alternative would be either the front passenger window or the back seat driver’s side window. There’s just no logical (or even illogical) reason to break out the back window to get to the driver in an accident like that.
When considering that along with the known facts, my instinct tells me the window may have been broken in anger.
by Double Eagle on Dec 1, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wendy, UK
You do you can post an article right here on Waggleroom. Up top where it says “Fan Post” you can ‘blog’ your pretty little butt off and we would love to read what you have to say. You are always a cogent fan. Trust me, you don’t have to be any good, my scribbling is proof of that.
As far as Tiger, I have two words. Tim. Finchem. I think he will be the difference whether Tiger plays 5-6 tournaments next year or 15-18. Personally, I think he will gag the media in the press tent, limiting them to golf questions only, leaving Tiger only having to get from the parking lot to the course and back to the parking lot. If Finchem allows the media to run the press conferences, he might just play the Masters.
Hey, court, these new guys are good. We might to sharpen our pencils…
Nice post, by the way. You have almost 100 comments. That’s Busbee territory…
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by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions
thank you one eye
We respect your compliment. We rom the Golf Channel blogs are just a bunch of golfers with something to say about our beloved sport and we like this new venue…jumpn/progolf
Just One Thing to Say!!!!!
WHO DAT say dey gonna beat dem Saints!!!! After 42 years of frustration, tonight was a great moment for Saint Fans……..Please forgive me for basking in this brief moment!…:):):)
Tiger's Accident
courtgolf is on target with the above article, wait for the facts to surface! The FHP and hospital reports, respectively, are really the only factual documents regarding Tiger’s accident. I thought the Golf Channel was “owned by Woods, Wie, and Daly?”
Ryan Ballengee, what is
the record for the most responses to a fan post? I know court has whacked that number and he may have whacked your record. Enlighten us, ‘Oh Great One’….
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by One-Eyed Golfer Guy on Dec 1, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions
Be careful court
some tabloid will get hold of that “whacked” thing and, ……..well it won’t be pretty…lol lol
Watch your language
OEG pls!!. You said “T*m. Finch*m”. Is there no filter on this site?
Think you’re right in your surmisal, however,
Any chance CG will let me have the last word on this blog?
Last word ?
Sorry to take it for now, but I had to say well said, court. As big as Tiger is, it was always going to be this way, facts or no facts. The tabloids in Britain are merciless as well and when they attack someone, that someone withdraws. Nick Faldo, Britains biggest golfer got turned over his whole career by the British press. It started out by making him the "bad boy’ vs the “good boy” Sandy Lyle. They did it with Ovett and Coe, the middle distance kings of the track at the time. It sells. Facts mean little. It made Faldo very wary with the press, and made him look worse than he was. He didn’t help himself along the way, but how does one respond with grace when some reporter is after your head ? Now, fast forward to Tiger, who is 3 times bigger. All the so called training his dad installed into him can’t prepare him for this. And, it may be he hasn’t helped himself either. When you watch Mickleson chat to reporters, he seems more at ease than Tiger ever did…but then look at Monty…some are just not made for that side of things. Over to you Wendy, I didn’t want the last word really, lol
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