Ogilvy: "After Florida, you probably play the same golf course 120 times in a row."
Following Geoff Ogilvy's opening round of 6-under 67 at Kapalua, the first round leader talked with the media about his successes. Interesting, too, was the comparison that he made between the setup at Kapalua and what he will experience next week at the Sony Open.
I stringed together his answer to a couple of consecutive questions to get this.
[Kapalua] is a perfect place to start. I think the fairways, it's quite easy to hit a lot of fairways. Next week is a really awkward start, because you feel sorry for those guys, because if that's where you start -- I've started there five or six times. It's really hard to hit fairways there. You're hitting it out of the rough for a week, and it's just not that much fun.
Whenever I come to Sony after here, you're hitting it off the fairway and you're used to playing in the wind. It's a great place to start, I think. It's so good and different everything else we play. After Florida, you probably play the same golf course 120 times in a row. But to play such an extremely different setup, it's a cool place to start.
[After playing Kapalua, the fairways at Waialae] look really small. But you've played in the wind for the week and you've knocked off the rust and you've played on bermuda for a week, and you've probably got confidence because you've hit a lot of fairways and greens. Even if you don't hit it well here, you hit a lot of fairways and greens, and you slash it down to 17 and 18, and have a bit of fun. Whenever I've gone to Sony after this, I've done okay, but if I go to Sony without this, I miss the cut. It's easier after you've been here, for sure.
Ogilvy is one of my favorite players because he really seems to take interest in course setups, seeking variety, and promoting tournaments that have some unique nature to them. He's completely right about the comparison between Kapalua and the rest of the season. Perhaps we need more weeks like Kapalua - wide fairways and big greens?
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wide fairways/big greens
Isn’t the complaint voiced by some here that the LPGA has fairways are too wide and greens that are too big? Go Geoff.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
by dianemarie on Jan 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's where they are playing...
…Kapalua is mostly played above the tree level and always in the wind. The wind is rarely a light breeze. The fairways are as wide as they are so that people who play there can keep their ball in play when the wind decides to slap the ball 20-50 yards left or right. Same thing for the greens. These are not easy greens to putt because of the slopes they are on.
This is still an island resort the other 51 weeks of the year. People generally have an easier time hitting their putter than any other club in the bag.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 9, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
But the PGA Tour should experiment with setups that are different from time to time, instead of the same thing each week. It gets old to watch.
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aussies have a high opinion of their courses
I can see both sides of his statement. When you travel all the time – things tend to start looking the same after a while…especially in Florida where every course pretty much looks the same. But if you only play the same 16-20 tournaments every year, of course they start to look alike.
No two golf courses are exactly alike – BUT – there are only so many things you can do with a golf course. Straight, left, right, up, down – bunkers, trees, grass…….. And when a course is NOT set up to PGA Tour standards, you hear these same guys complaining that the course wasn’t good enough.
Two years ago, when the greens at East Lake nearly died before the tournament, then they were turned into playdough by huge rains – I talked to Robert Allenby. He just railed on East Lake even though 28 other guys said they weren’t nearly as bad as good ol’ Dougie Ferguson made them out to be. Dougie wrote his article from Chicago without ever seeing the greens at East Lake. He went on to say that the courses in “Oz” were NEVER in that kind of condition. (I didn’t know it never rained or got over 85 degrees down there)
I’ve watched golf tournaments broadcast from Australia – they look pretty much like the courses here…and in Europe (except the true links courses)…and Asia…and South America…
Maybe Geoff is just a little tired of the grind ? (by the way – he is one of the nicest guys you would want to meet. I asked him for an interview before The Tour Championship. He declined with a very good explanation – then just chatted for 15 minutes on the range about the US Open win after the recorder was off)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the course matters
So much as how it’s set up. Tight fairways, deep bunkers, absurdly fast greens, deep rough. It’s a prescription to make any course – mundane or amazing – into a dull experience at times.
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 9, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's supposed to be hard...
…if it wasn’t – everybody would be shooting 59. :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok to be tough
But vary the prescription. Maybe wider fairways and ridiculous pins. Maybe lighter rough and shallower bunkers.
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love it...
…I say let these guys play on a muni with rocks in the bunkers that vary from rock hard to quicksand – greens that stimp anywhere from 6 to 15…and leave the goose poop. :-)
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a great piece
about Steve Marino playing a crappy Wash DC area muni just before the AT&T National a few years back. The differences he notices – and complains about – are startling.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/01/AR2007070101221_2.html
by Ryan Ballengee on Jan 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
waah waah waah :-)
Don’tcha just hate whiney, spoiled pros ? :-)
I know we all would love to play on manicured fairways, greens, bunkers and tee boxes – and I know that Marino is a terrific guy – but I wonder if these guys have forgotten about the love of the game or where it came from. Take a look at pictures of Augusta National back when Palmer and Nicklaus were in their 20’s. It looks nothing like what it does today. I watched a match from 1965 at Firestone CC (I lived not far from there back then !). You’d think Jack, Arnie, and Gary were playing in a public park the way it looked back then.
"this ball will fit in that fairway"
by courtgolf on Jan 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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