Big Names in Women's Golf Step Up
Interesting week in the world of women's golf, eh? With Lorena Ochoa and Annika Sorenstam taking some time off before the LPGA's European swing, Paula Creamer got her 7th career victory in Toledo, Suzann Pettersen got her 9th in Dublin, Yuri Fudoh broke the billion-yen barrier in career winnings when she became the JLPGA's 1st repeat winner of 2008, and Vicky Hurst got her 4th Futures Tour victory of the season. So whose win do you think was the biggest--and why?
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Fudoh
I voted for Fudoh b/c she’s been seriously struggling in 2008 since her 1st win very early in the season and b/c of the significance of her career winnings record.
by The Constructivist on Jul 14, 2008 7:36 AM EDT 0 recs
tough call
geez – do you go with Creamer – she beat the strongest field of the four and dropped a nice little 60 on the course Thursday…but struggled the rest of the way and had to hang on for the win ?
Pettersen had a huge final round to run down the field in Ireland
Fudoh has to be thrilled to get back on track
but Vicky Hurst destroyed the field on the Duramed Tour and cemented her LPGA Tour card for next year – not the toughest course or field – but she dominated the way she should’ve. I think I’ll give her the nod.
(psst – hey Michelle – if YOU had taken your head out of your rear end and played some Futures Tour events – YOU might be in a similar position AND might have figured out how to win – enjoy the fish-n-chips)
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by courtgolf on Jul 14, 2008 9:52 AM EDT 0 recs
equality
I’ll confess my ignorance of the JLPGA; I only have the capacity to follow two tours. I’ve chosen LPGA and Futures. Having said that…
I don’t think any of the wins was unexpected, so I’d have to say none were “big.” The top ranked participating golfer in each of the non-Japanese tournaments won. Fudoh (as far as I can determine from the Rolex rankings) is the second ranked golfer on the JLPGA, so her win is hardly unexpected either. My question would be, what took her so long?
by dianemarie on Jul 14, 2008 9:59 AM EDT 0 recs
that's golf
There are only 2 golfers on any of the major tours who can tee it up any given week and be considered the clear favorite – Tiger and Ochoa. Tiger’s out, of course, and Ochoa is in a bit of a skid – Creamer hasn’t proven that she has any real consistency or ability to put a field away when she has a lead. Pettersen has been injured, so her level has been up and down depending on how she feels. Those are the other two “favorites” on the LPGA Tour and both won this past weekend – and both had to struggle. The wins may not be “unexpected”, but they weren’t easy. Just being the highest ranked player in the field doesn’t always mean you win.
I’m with you on the JLPGA – they are just names on a screen and only a couple sound familiar.
Vicky Hurst is still 17 (unless she’s had a birthday this year ?), but she’s become the big stick on the Future’s Tour. I’d say that ’s pretty impressive. She didn’t just win her 4th tournament of the year, she steamrolled them.
How’s THAT for stirring up the mud from a nice stream ? :-)
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by courtgolf on
Jul 14, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
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please check your sources
The only event this year where Creamer failed to put the competition away when she had a lead was the Stanford International in Miami. She lost in a playoff to Annika. The following week she won Sem Group. That seems like tenacity under pressure to me.
Who told you Suzanne Pettersen is injured? I looked. There are no reports of injury in the last few years.
Vicky Hurst is the class of the Futures Tour. I’m sure her competition wishes she’d get a “battlefield” promotion too.
The problem with the media is that it gets a narrative on something or someone and refuses to let go (Paula can’t close, Suzanne’s injured), so the public that never bothers to look at what’s actually going on, will never know that narrative lacks veracity.
You wanted mud?? 8-)
by dianemarie on
Jul 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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MY sources ???
Suzanne Pettersen has been battling back problems since last year. Better check again. I just did a google search on – Suzann Pettersen back injury – and got a barrel full of stories. She’s been up and down since her rookie year (2003) with back problems. Last year, she slipped a disk, then again this past April.
Paula Creamer has 3 wins this year and has not buried any of the three fields. Your original point was that none of the wins this weekend was “unexpected”. That word means that they are heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and nobody else had a shot. Creamer banged around on Sunday at +2 and squeaked out a win that should have been a walk in the park after Thursday’s 60 – but she struggled the rest of the week.
At the Fields Open in Hawaii – she had to birdie 4 of the last 5 holes to win by a shot. A FANTASTIC finish, but hardly “expected”.
Her playoff win at the Sem Group came because she couldn’t break par that day to put away Juli Inkster – never a sin – Inkster is as tenacious as they come. And compared to the rest of her wins, she was 4 shots clear of the field, so this would be as close to a runaway “expected” victory as you might get this year.
It’s not the media, it’s the stats. Your premise of these women being “expected” to win doesn’t hold up. Creamer doesn’t bury her opponents like an Ochoa or a Sorenstam (in her prime). Could just be something she hasn’t gotten a feel for since she’s just 21 – but if that’s true, you can’t say she is “expected” to win. She turned the Jamie Farr into a final round dogfight because she couldn’t get going in the other three rounds.
To quote the great philosopher Crocodile Dundee “that’s not a knife…now THAT’S a knife.” :-D
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by courtgolf on
Jul 14, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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okay, I just needed to understand
When you do a Google search with the criteria “Suzanne Pettersen back injury” you see any page that has “Suzanne” and “Pettersen” and “back” and “injury”. None of those refer to any injury she’s had since 2005.
A win by 10 strokes pays more than a win by one stroke? I thought “ugly” wins were counted the same as any other. It was windy Sunday, consequently only 13 players broke par. Paula wasn’t one of them, but she did what she had to do to get the win. I have trouble believing you find fault with that.
by dianemarie on
Jul 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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did you put the search in with the quotation marks or just type in suzann pettersen back injury ?
I get a list of articles dating back to 2003 and coming up to May of this year.
you keep changing your definitions – of course a win is a win – but when you say that a win is “expected” of a player – you are saying that nobody else should win. PC shot +2, someone else shot -7 in similar conditions. Go figure. Some people handle conditions better than others. She won because the two girls who were in contention didn’t handle the pressure very well. Ji left putts short all day, and Feng got nervous.
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by courtgolf on
Jul 14, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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post the link
I don’t think Suzanne has had any injury issues since 2005. Would you mind posting the link to your search results?
“Expected” and “unexpected” (which is what I said) are not exactly opposites. I never said I expected Paula to win. What I did say was that I didn’t think her win was unexpected because she was the highest rated golfer in the field. Had Shanshan Feng won, that would have been unexpected. If someone from the top 15 or so wins, regardless of the field, that’s not unexpected.
by dianemarie on
Jul 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I'd like to stake some middle ground...
At least when it comes to Paula Creamer. I would agree that except for Mr. Tiger Woods, it is difficult to say that anyone is “expected” to win any tournament.
Courtgolf said that she struggled the rest of the week after posting the 60 on Thursday. If I’m not mistaken she shot a 65 on Friday. I’d have a hard time calling a 65 a struggle.
Lastly, I don’t disagree that she struggled on the weekend but I personally think there’s something to be said for being able to “grind one out” when the shots are just not coming easily.
P.S. I would also like posit the thought that perhaps Paula needs to replace her caddy. I saw at least 2 approach shots on Sunday where she obviously had the wrong club in her hand. Is someone reading the yardages or conditions wrong?
by Bogie Man on Jul 14, 2008 3:56 PM EDT 0 recs
tough conditions
don’t blame the caddy too much Bogie – that was some tough wind they were playing in. the caddy can’t help it when the player hits the ball a groove high or low, or if the wind knocks the ball down.
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by courtgolf on
Jul 14, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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a little Vicky Hurst
How about this – she’s listening…
(from the Duramed Futures Tour web site – after a pretty good interview with Kim Welch)
It’s a good time for Duramed FUTURES Tour rookie VICKY HURST to test herself against the field at this week’s LPGA State Farm Classic. Hurst takes last week’s win – her fourth of the 2008 season – into the LPGA’s tournament in Springfield, Ill. She earned the LPGA State Farm Classic exemption in mid-June by winning the Duramed FUTURES Tour’s only major championship, the Michelob ULTRA Duramed FUTURES Players Championship, in Decatur, Ill.
ok ok – maybe she’s not listening to my advice – I just like the timing. :-)
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by courtgolf on Jul 14, 2008 4:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Fudoh/JLPGA
Fudoh used to be the top-ranked Japanese player in the world, back when the Rolex Rankings 1st came out and she was having Tiger-like seasons on the JLPGA (6 straight seasons as #1 on the money list). This year she won early but really struggled since then (as in several finishes outside the top 30 and recently 2 missed cuts in a row before righting the ship last week with a T3)—continuing her struggles over the previous 2 years as other JLPGA stars have stepped up. So I think this win is big-time redemption for her, on top of it breaking 2 records at once.
Here’s her bio page: http://www.lpga.or.jp/profile/profile.asp?cd=539&yyyy=2008
I’m super-excited about Vicky Hurst, too, but remember that Amy Yang is #3 on the LET money list but has only managed to make about $34K in the very few LPGA events she’s gotten into. So Futures Tour win #4 for Hurst is certainly a big deal, but it’s too soon to tell what it means. We know Fudoh is staying on the JLPGA and what her win means for that tour while Vicky’s win is all about next year.
As for Paula and Suzann, both had impressive wins against much stronger fields than on the FT, but both were (I’m sorry to say) in “B”-list events, or at best tune-ups for the Evian Masters and the Women’s British Open. Good to get, but not history-making like Fudoh’s.
by The Constructivist on Jul 14, 2008 8:27 PM EDT 0 recs
6 years ?
did Fudoh ever say why she didn’t take a shot at the LPGA after so many years in top over there ?
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by courtgolf on Jul 14, 2008 10:29 PM EDT 0 recs
not that I've seen
I just updated her wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Fudoh) to reflect her latest feat, but am still looking for her reasoning for limiting her international play almost exclusively to the majors.
by The Constructivist on Jul 15, 2008 2:43 AM EDT 0 recs
I feel faint
TC,
You don’t know why Fudoh doesn’t play more international events? You the person outside of Japan who knows the most about the JLPGA? I better lay down….....;)
Bill
by Bill Jempty on
Jul 15, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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if only I weren't functionally illiterate in Japanese!
I’m sure there are all kinds of interviews and documentaries with juicy details, but only in Japanese….
by The Constructivist on Jul 15, 2008 10:56 AM EDT 0 recs
it beats this Windows translator
I just pulled up the JLPGA site and let it “translate” into English. Parts of it were pretty good, but the grammar doesn’t translate very well – and the Rolex Rankings link comes up as a bunch of letters as long as your arm, and starts with “RORREKKS”. (I didn’t know computers were programmed with traditional stereotype translations) :-)
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by courtgolf on
Jul 15, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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I don't suppose
Maybe it’s the same reason Kenny Perry chooses not play where he doesn’t want to? Maybe she doesn’t like feeling culturally out of place like she would if she played internationally? Maybe after a certain point, the money she’s made in Japan is enough?
by dianemarie on Jul 15, 2008 12:21 PM EDT 0 recs
well, maybe similar reasons....
But she’s a hell of a lot bigger than Kenny Perry! 44 career wins vs. 12, leading money winner in her tour’s history, plays majors…. Better to imagine if Karrie Webb never left Australia or Se Ri Pak never left South Korea. Her years of total dominance on the JLPGA almost perfectly coincided with Annika’s on the LPGA—intriguing to wonder if she would have had as good or better a career on the LPGA as them or Ayako Okamoto.
Her reasons must be popular ones, though, as it took Japanese players a decade younger than her to make the leap. So far Miyazato and Ueda have followed Okamoto’s path; I wonder how many in the coming years will decide on Fudoh’s—
http://mlyhlss.blogspot.com/2008/06/top-japanese-under-22-golfers-facing.html
—especially if the Japanese economy fully recovers from its post-bubble blues and the U.S. economy continues to struggle.
I’d still like to hear in her own words why the money and competition on the LPGA weren’t enough of a draw….
by The Constructivist on Jul 15, 2008 2:51 PM EDT 0 recs
10+ years in Japan...
TC – just looking at that billion yen mark – if someone came over and handed a bank a check for a billion yen – they would have a bit under $4.5 million – but her dollars are spread out over 10 1/2 years. In just 3 more years, Annika has earned more than $22 million just on the LPGA tour. Ochoa has a little more thant $10 million in just four years.
She must have some huge endorsements to pass on at least taking a shot at the LPGA.
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by courtgolf on Jul 15, 2008 5:20 PM EDT 0 recs
wonder how the yen has fluctuated during that time
I got $9.5M when I did the conversion at Yahoo! Finance. There was a time when a dollar went for less than 100 yen (it’s pretty dan close now!), but probably not often during her career—more likely in the 120-150 yen per dollar range. Come to think of it, she hit her mid-teenage years as the Japanese bubble economy burst, so she definitely took a financial hit by staying in Japan. On the other hand, with endorsements plus winnings she was definitely not hurting money-wise. My experience in Japan was that things I tend to consider luxuries here are pretty much standard there (and relatively inexpensive outside Tokyo if you know where to look), so I’d have to guess her standard of living has been pretty high. If she wasn’t doing much international travelling, it wouldn’t really matter how high the yen went against the dollar, either.
Whatever the exact conversion, it suggests that the cultural and other factors Diane mentioned were more important to her that the lost opportunity to make more money.
But I still wonder what her own reasoning has been and is….
by The Constructivist on Jul 15, 2008 9:35 PM EDT 0 recs
how strange
I just used x-rate and got the same number you got – but this afternoon, I got the $4.5 million figure. It’s still in today’s dollars – no telling what the exact amount would be with the changes in exchange rate over the years.
Sounds like you’re saying that she stayed in Japan because she was afraid Diane would just take all her money on the golf course ! :-)
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by courtgolf on
Jul 15, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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