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Tiger vs. Lorena: Who Blinks First?

In his monthly newsletter, Tiger Woods says:


"Needless to say, I'm a little stir crazy. Although I've been through this before and understand the need for patience, I don't enjoy sitting around. I really don't have a timetable for returning to competition. The doctors have said I should be able to play again in four to six weeks, but nothing is certain. I'm just going to do what they tell me to do."

He's talking about his recent knee surgery, of course. An article in the current Golf World quotes several orthopedic surgeons suggesting that Woods' knee problems will be recurring (but probably manageable) for the rest of his career. And pointed out that this surgery involved the removal of cartilage, a sure sign that the tremendous torque to which Woods subjects his left knee is causing damage, and will continue to do so.

This all impacts my thoughts on a question I've been mulling recently: Who will lose their No. 1 world ranking first - Tiger Woods or Lorena Ochoa?

There have been a lot of articles recently attempting to compare Woods and Ochoa, and their relative dominance of their respective tours. Those kinds of comparisons are very difficult to make, given that the tours are very different (there is much more depth in men's golf than in women's golf, for example).

But Woods and Ochoa are both atop their world rankings by very large margins, and very similar margins, and both the men's and women's world rankings systems are slow to change.

Who will blink first? Woods or Ochoa? Which of the two is likely to slip to No. 2 first?

A few weeks ago I probably would have said Ochoa. She's shown a lot of vulnerability in the past. Granted, she's shown none at all recently, and I suspect she's completely past the final-round meltdowns that cost her some earlier majors. But that vulnerability was there, and who knows - maybe a little bit of it could creep back in under the right (or wrong, I suppose) circumstances.

With Tiger, there's never been that kind of vulnerability; it's hard to imagine there ever could be - at least on the mental side.

I can imagine a handful of players on the LPGA Tour raising their games enough to challenge Lorena directly, even if her game doesn't falter a bit. I can not imagine any golfer on the PGA Tour elevating their game to Woods' level. He will have to fall off some to be caught. (Wait - should I say that? It just now occurs to me that Vijay Singh reached Woods' level - bypassed him - for one year.)

It's a tough question. It's tough to picture either of them falling to No. 2 in the forseeable future.

Except that Ochoa does have one obvious advantage on Woods: She's, what, 7 years younger? Tiger now has a recurring knee problem, and he's creeping into his mid-30s. Can his body hold up to the terrific forces to which he subjects it? Will he have to change his approach, cut back on certain activities, try lower-impact workouts, perhaps even make some swing adjustments at some point to protect the knee?

Woods may start missing time on a semi-regular basis, and when he misses time he'll lose world ranking points. And then, if he falls off just a smidge, well, maybe that will be enough for someone having a career year to jump ahead of him.

That's my quandary in answering the question. Ochoa has shown some fragility, some vulnerability. Has she completely banished those things for the forseeable future? Woods never has -- but is he showing those things now?

Today, at this particular moment, I think Woods will lose the No. 1 ranking before Ochoa does. Ask me tomorrow, maybe I'll have switched back to Ochoa.

What do you think?

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Who will lose their No. 1 world ranking first?
Lorena Ochoa
38 votes
Tiger Woods
25 votes

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complete conjecture...
but what I don't see happening with Ochoa is depth in "game intelligence".  No player knows the game and its intricacies better than Tiger Woods - nobody has the variety of shots - and nobody has the ability to pull off those shots when it's most necessary.

Ochoa has improved physically more than anything over the last year, and her putting is nothing short of spectacular - she has been the most consistent player on the planet since her run started - even more so than Tiger.  What I want to see is what happens when her swing is just a little off and she has to start figuring out tough lies and situations.  

But it's also a physical thing that makes me think that she will break down sooner than Woods.  That neck twist thing at the top of her swing has got to cause some sort of chiropractic problem sooner or later - she could go "spinal" as Mike Tyson put it - and that's a bigger problem than a little arthroscopic knee surgery.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Apr 25, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm, tough call
I see it happening to Ochoa first, not because she'll falter first or suffer a more serious injury first but because there are more top players closer to her who could get into the kind of zone she's been in the past two years (mentally and physically) and really challenge her head to head.  Sure, overall in men's and women's golf there's much more depth in the former, but at the top there are probably 30 women (and the number is only going to grow in the next 5 years) who could make that quantum leap that would allow them to keep pace with, and sometimes beat, Ochoa.  Who the most likely of those prospects to actually challenge her in the medium run actually are I'll have to think about a little bit more.  

What I am concerned about is hearing about all the swing changes Creamer, Pressel, Angela Park, Brittany Lincicome and the rest are rumored to be going through when what really has separated Ochoa from the lead pack is her 100 yards and in game.  Everybody talks about her driving being so good and all (Hound Dog ranks her #1 with his method), but she gets what Tiger got when he first turned pro and everybody was concern trolling him about distance control with his wedges and not trying to overpower every iron shot.  So, yeah, she's still improving and will get even better, but I don't see why others can't improve even faster....

by The Constructivist on Apr 26, 2008 3:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not the same thing
Aside from the desire to maintain the number one spot on their respective Tours, Lorena and Tiger really don't have much in common.  Without having that conversation with Tiger, I think we can assume he's driven to lead the PGA Tour until he turns 50, then spend the remainder of his days dominating the Senior Tour.

Lorena, on the other hand, makes no bones about wanting to have children, which is going to mean time away from golf.  Whether she maintains her number one spot for the next few years or not, her biological clock is ticking.

Your fundamental error is assuming all things outside the ropes are equal.

by diane on Apr 26, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Constructivist
Tiger is too far ahead of his competition.  There's no denying that Ochoa is red hot right now, but I think the LPGA is more competitive (as opposed to the PGA, which is more deep, perhaps) in terms of the potential for player rivalries, and the number of players who will be able to put together a multi-win season.

by TexasWedge on Apr 26, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

through 2012, fer shure
Biological clock or not, Ochoa wants to finish qualifying for the HOF and I suspect by 2012 when that happens she plans to be much closer to Sorenstam on the career victory list.  And then the question arises:  Annika got better than ever in her 30s, so what does Lorena do after that?  Well, what's to stop her from doing the Catriona Matthew, Karen Stupples, Hee-Won Han, and above all Pat Hurst and Juli Inkster thing?  Biology ain't destiny and I take with multiple grains of salt anything s 26-year-old says about the far future, particularly if a significant number on tour quantum leap to Ochoa's level in that 4-to-6-year stretch we're talking about.

by The Constructivist on Apr 26, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice interview with Carin Koch
She claims she plays better since she had her two kids.  Given that she, Candie Kung, and Grace Park are probably the frontrunners for comeback player of the year, maybe she's right....

by The Constructivist on Apr 27, 2008 3:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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