The 19th Hole Golf Show - 11/21/08

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 21, 2008 1:59 PM EST

On this week's show:

11/21 - We'll talk about the 2009 LPGA Tour schedule, the ups and downs, and how Commissioner Bivens did well. Ryan will discuss how 2010 still looms for the Tour. JP Hayes gets kudos and leads into a discussion of how golfers love their rules. Last, we set the stage for the weekend in Hong Kong on the Euro Tour and the likely Ochoa & Sorenstam-less ADT Championship.

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"balked"

does “balk” have more than a negative meaning ? I thought it meant pulling back out of fear or pullng away by mistake.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 6:21 PM EST reply actions

rules aren't grey areas

taking complete relief is not a “grey area” – it is well defined.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 6:30 PM EST reply actions

As I understood it from JP Hayes interview with Dan Patrick, he changed balls between holes and pulled out the prototype ball – which broke the One Ball rule – and he penalized himself for using a different ball. He said it was later that evening in his hotel room that he noticed that it was the prototype ball – so he called Titleist to see if it was a conforming ball. They, of course, said it wasn’t – so he turned himself in the next morning and took the DQ.

You had him playing a wrong ball during a hole and switching to the prototype when he realized he had played a wrong ball. Where did you get your version ?

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 6:36 PM EST reply actions

That's what I had heard

That he played a wrong ball, called a penalty. Then switched balls and that was the prototype that got him DQ’d.

Actually “complete relief” is very much a grey area in the rules. It may not be to you, but based upon rules quiz results that I have seen – it is.

I’m using balk in definition 3 sense. :)

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 21, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions

You were right though

I went and re-read the account. My bad on that one. I will probably go back and edit that out tonight and replace it.

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 21, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

that's not grey

just because people get the rule wrong does not mean it is “grey area”. The rule is very much black and white.

I was pretty sure Hayes was talking about the one ball rule.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions

Trifecta of replies

I didn’t mean to imply that “complete relief” isn’t a term that golfers SHOULD know. They should. They just don’t – hence the “grey area” comment.

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 21, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions

I do have to say

That I have never, ever talked about semantics (in the definition one sense) than I have since I started here at Waggle Room. Haha.

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 21, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

lol

semantics can be fun to play around with – but words have meanings and too many people try to make up their own meanings and screw up the language. if you choose the wrong word or phrase, you can cause all kinds of misunderstandings. (not you personally – you as a general "you")

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions

ignorance of the law...

…is no excuse, my son :-)

grey area means there is room to wiggle – "complete relief means COMPLETE relief – you have to have your feet completely out of the hazard or GUR area. That’s what you see players doing when they stand outside a lateral or GUR, then take a club, mark where the clubhead sits, then take their two club lengths from that first tee, THEN drop.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions

new media player

that’s an improvement over the old one. I would still like to be able to more forward or backward inside the file. If I miss something, I still have to start the show all over again.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 PM EST reply actions

you're right - Daly is "safe"...sort of

There isn’t a Hooters in Hong Kong.

There ARE, however, Hooters restaurants in Beijing, Hangzhou, Chengdu, and TWO in Shanghai ! :-)

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 21, 2008 7:15 PM EST reply actions

Part of me

is concerned that you looked up those locations. :)

Let me look into that media player to see about fast forward, etc. That’s gotta be a feature out there somewhere.

by Ryan Ballengee on Nov 22, 2008 1:00 PM EST reply actions

just curiosity

Hooters.com is never a depressing site to visit…and you can find all of the restaurants. :-)

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 22, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions

and...

…I remember Hooters being mentioned during the Beijing Olympics – it seemed odd that there would be a Hooters in Beijing, but not Hong Kong – the MOST western of cities in China.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Nov 22, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions