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What to Do With the PGA Tour Fall Series

The FedEx Cup just completed its second iteration and produced Vijay Singh as its champion and recipient of its $10 million first prize payout.  The finale – the Tour Championship – serves as the end of the four tournament playoff series and 33 event FedEx Cup season.

After the Tour Championship and East Lake, the PGA Tour schedule then transitions to a seven tournament series known as the Fall Series.  These events are more low-key and stretch from the end of September through the beginning of November.  The purses range from around $3.5 million to $6 million.  

The field strength diminishes significantly over the events that populate the FedEx Cup schedule.  Players competing in these events are either trying to secure their fully exempt PGA Tour status for next season, improve standing for entry into invitational tournaments in the following season, or getting good practice in for the grind that is the PGA Tour Qualifying Tournament (Q-school).  Few top-notch players compete in these events, and are generally resigned to playing a few events on the European and Asian Tours in order to collect large appearance fees.

Attendance is fairly low given the lack of buzz around the field and the competition that golf faces from playoff baseball, college football, the NFL, the resurgent NHL, NBA tip-off, and the finale of the NASCAR season.  Golf gets lost in the fray.  

Meanwhile, mid to lower level players compete for money in mediocre fields.  It is the perfect opportunity for players that have struggled against the best to make a cash grab and secure their livelihood for another year.  For a handful each fall, the Fall Series makes their year and gives them access to some of the elite field tournaments on the PGA Tour – including some major championship berths.

No tournament in the series is played in a city that is considered a major market.  The largest markets would be either San Antonio or Las Vegas.  Other host cities include small, niche markets that have weather nice enough to host golf – but not much else in the way of media promotion or allure enough to bring in better players.  

By and large, the sponsorship of these events is either regional in nature or nonprofits.  Unlike the international sponsor lineup that the FedEx Cup season presents, the Fall Series sponsors are generally less well known than their counterparts and largely have more modest value in mind for Tour sponsorship.  In addition, two of the events face sponsorship issues – the Ginn sur Mer Classic and a new, unnamed event in Georgia to replace the Valero Texas Open.  This is also just one small part of the looming sponsorship issues for the FedEx Cup series, due in large part to the PGA Tour’s involvement with companies hardest hit by the financial crisis – automakers and financial firms.

The result is a series that struggles to gain traction with fans, sponsors, or better players.  These events draw little media attention and are only broadcast on the Golf Channel.  And with the culmination of the Race to Dubai on the European Tour starting around this time next season, it may be even more difficult for fans to be attached to these events at all.

With all of the calamity in maintaining the Fall Series beyond next season, it seems that there are only two real options for the PGA Tour: (1) drastically retool the series, or (2) scrap it altogether.

Star-divide

For the Fall Series to be viable long-term in its current form, the Tour has to respond by making these events more competitive in the environment in which they take place.  The fields have to be better.  The events have to be broadcast with more fanfare, and not just on Golf Channel.  The purses have to be bigger.  The tournaments have to take place in markets where even marginal interest will draw a solid crowd.  In effect, the entire nature of the Fall Series has to change.

The rank and file of the PGA Tour would complain if these changes are made.  Bigger purses mean the likelihood of better players appearing rises.  That would make securing a Tour card for the following season more difficult.  Traveling to larger markets would cost more for hotels and food, which would take away from the earning power of players.  In effect, the Fall Series is currently a life float thrown to the players on the verge of drowning on Tour.  To change that would fundamentally change how mid-level players try to find a path to retaining a Tour card.

Still, making these changes would probably prove to benefit the same rank and file.  Most top-tier players pack it in for the year after the Tour Championship.  Only about ten or so would really consider playing the Fall Series in a beefed up fashion.  With better names and more money, the rank and file would have fewer better players to beat for more money. 

This would also allow the Tour to compete with the European Tour’s Race to Dubai finale.  Though the value of that 10 million British Pound prize pool is dwindling by the day in this economy, it will still lure many superstar names to the circuit to finish the season. 

For the PGA Tour to capture some of that thunder, it must respond with more money – the only sure thing to lure players.  It can do this by attracting bigger name sponsors in more prominent cities.  Or, it can consider the option of lifting the ban on appearance fees for its Fall Series events only.  While sponsors may not take full advantage of this option, it will provide potential future Fall Series sponsors with more freedom with their capital infusion and perhaps entice them to enter into the back end of the Tour schedule.

The problem with this is that the sponsorship environment is difficult right now.  As mentioned, the PGA Tour will be facing some tough negotiations in sponsorship contracts ahead.  It is not likely that any of these suggestions – including lifting the appearance fee ban – would necessarily yield a stronger Fall Series.  Therefore, the preferable option would be  to simply scrap the Fall Series and replace it with a new series.

The Fall Series purses total around $30 million.  If some of this money were invested in a hybrid mini-season with struggling PGA Tour players and surging Nationwide Tour players, the events could gain some new life. 

If the Nationwide Tour were to rearrange its schedule to begin in the United States in early March – as opposed to late March now, then the season could end in late September and have its top 25 finishers awarded PGA Tour cards for the next season.  On the PGA Tour, then four to six events could be held with the new Nationwide Tour graduates and any PGA Tour player that chooses to enter. 

 

These events would serve a dual purpose.  They would provide opportunities for Nationwide Tour grads to play against their new peers on the PGA Tour.  Also, the series would be a means of making the race for the top 125 more exciting.  FedEx Cup 3.0 would only admit the top 100 players on the money list into the Playoffs – likely giving them all security for next season.  Any player that did not make the Playoffs would then be eligible to compete in this series of events to play for their Tour life.  The top 25 players in money at the end of the series would round out the top 125.  The other players would then be assigned to different stages of Q-school and eligibility based on their finishes.  Any player that was in the series because of a promotion from the Nationwide Tour, or that was already safe for next year on the PGA Tour, would not be impacted.

Either way, the Fall Series needs a purpose other than being a wide open money grab for mid-level players.  The Fall Series can be more interesting if it has a prize and a compelling story.  Both of those requirements can be filled by more explicitly making a Tour card into the focal point of the series.  The original title for the series was Quest for the Card.  That should have been the original point and can be now.  With a mixing bowl of newly minted PGA Tour players, those that may be on the way out, and those that are at the top of their games, the Fall Series could provide something for everyone. 

While there should be no one with visions of golf supremacy in the fall months, making significant changes to the series could make the PGA Tour more competitive in the fall than it is today with other American sports and its counterpart in Europe.

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I disagree

You’re not going to get the top players to expand their schedules for these events. They griped for a long time to get the season shortened. The money in the fall schedule is just a step below most regular season events, and the top players don’t come out.

The reason these tournaments are being played this time of year is because they don’t have the super deep pockets, or the long tradition of the regular season tournaments. Problem is, the PGA Tour is still demanding huge sponsor dollars for tournaments you correctly described as lightly attended and broadcast. They need to drop the demands on these smaller sponsors until the time when they get a regular season slot.

On a personal note – I really hate that “money grab” phrase. These guys are working hard on their games, playing full field events, and are playing as hard as they can to improve their position for ‘09. They aren’t dropping cash from a helicopter.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 27, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hence option 2 :)

I think that if you turn the Fall Series into a real Quest for the Card, then you’re going to get better bang for the buck. I threw out option 1 as something that is out there, but that option 2 is really preferred given how things are. It would get the graduates from the Nationwide Tour into a wider spotlight, which is great for them.

I use money grab here only because this is basically $30 million that is available to guys that couldn’t compete with the best. I think that these events should have little or no bearing on the entry into majors and invitationals, etc. Sure, why not for the top 125 or whatever, but to give guys berths into more prestigious events by beating other mid-level guys seems awkward. I have no disrespect for what their games are (since they’re way better than I am), but you should have to beat the best to earn the right to compete with them.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Made a couple of edits

It definitely wasn’t clear from how I wrote it in the first place.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QftC

is already taken isn’t it ? that’s for Q-school.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 27, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's The 25 now

But I’m not really sure. I just remember that being the working name for the Fall Series before it became the Fall Series.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there room...

…on that boat that’s sinking with the 1000 lawyers for another 1000 marketing people ? GEEZ they can be nausiating with all these cutesy names that just confuse things.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 27, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really is

They should just make it clear

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't the top Nationwide players already get cards?

I’m not sure the appeal of option #2 for the Nationwide players—playing for bigger purses? But aren’t the top x already guaranteed cards? Do you really want to turn the Nationwide Tour regular season into simply a qualification round for the Quest? You’d have to, right? Otherwise you’d be having the mid-level PGA guys playing off against the mid-level Nationwide guys.

by The Constructivist on Oct 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The N'wide guys

that finished in the top 25 at the end of that season would then get an early promotion to these events. So, they would get 4-6 events at PGA Tour-ish money and they could get their feet wet in the big show. Meanwhile, you’d get direct competition from the guys who could be taking the place of the PGA Tour players that are struggling. But the top 25 N’Wide guys would all have their status locked up for the PGA Tour.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nationwide grads...

…don’t get just 6-8 events. Those 25 guys are pretty much guaranteed the minimum number of events (15) the next season. They are put in a rotation where the top guys on the money list get the earliest starts, and therefore the opportunity for more starts over the whole year as openings come up.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 28, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, right

Just to clarify, I would want them to get a head start on next season in a more formal sense. They get into the occasional PGA Tour event as it is, but let them be formally introduced to PGA Tour life…and money.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks everyone!

I was trying to put together a couple of ideas and you guys asked great questions about it to help me make my point clearer.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 27, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting discussion...

After reading your ideas, my first thought was, “why?”. I personally like the end of the season and scramble to secure the top 125 just the way it is – the golf season is long and with all the competing interests in the fall I don’t think it’s realistic to keep golf on the top of the list. But for those of us who have an interest in golf that goes deeper than the top 10 players in the world, the fall finish is interesting and it gives us an opportunity to see some “mid-level” players we don’t give a second thought to most of the year. If these tournaments in smaller markets are able to sustain themselves, let’s be grateful! What a good opportunity to let golf fans experience a professional golf tournament, even if the A-listers aren’t there. For some of us, golf is more than just the show.

by red tees on Oct 28, 2008 8:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the top 125 race

But I was thinking of this from the perspective of the Nationwide Tour guys. They basically get their card at the same time as the PGA Tour season ends and then get thrust into PGA Tour life in January (or February) without very much experience. Why not give them a few tournaments to get acclimated? It may give them a leg up on retaining their cards for next season. Also, it would help people like us who follow more than 10 or 20 guys on Tour to get to expand our horizons.

The movement of tournaments to bigger markets and idea 2 are mutually exclusive. You either make the tournaments a bigger deal with cash and markets, or you bring in the Nationwide Tour grads a little early. Events can certainly sustain themselves in small markets. Option 2 would help those tournaments, I think.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They do

When there aren’t enough PGA Tour guys to fill out a tournament, the invitations go out to the Nationwide Tour guys.

I understand what you’re saying, though – let them have the invitations at the same time they get their cards. There are two problems with that, though.

First, the Nationwide season doesn’t end until November, so they are still fighting it out for PGA Tour cards and priority status for next year.

Second, this is still PGA Tour money these guys are playing for. The tour has to give priority to PGA Tour cardholders first to give them their best chance to keep their cards for next year.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 28, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems unfair though

To let guys fight to maintain their cards by just playing against each other for about $30M when they had every opportunity to prove their worth against everyone during the FEC season. In the fall series, then, they should prove their worth against the very guys that could be taking their place. The logistics of it aren’t there right now, as you mentioned.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"unfair"

That’s not my favorite word in the English language – but I see where you’re going with it. Your thought kind of goes along with my idea that the fall series shouldn’t be forced to pony up the same big purse that a regular season tournament does. Make it a little more difficult for the bottom guys to just hang on – make them play hard and prove that they deserve their spots.

Remember, though – the Nationwide guys are still fighting it out on their tour, too. They may not have time to worry about PGA dollars at the moment. There is still time for a number of them to lose their spot for the ’09 season.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 28, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would only

be ok with my idea if the Nationwide Tour season could wrap up before this proposed series. I wouldn’t want the Nwide Tour finale to be concurrent with it. Then that would make for competing interests.

Totally agree with you about lowering expectations and investments if you’re going to keep the Fall Series as is, or even my option 2.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the clarifications

I see what you are saying and I guess I could see how it might make the final tournaments more interesting…but why lower the expectations (you mean purses, right?) if those tournaments are financially successful the way they are? Just to make it harder to stay in the top 125?

I’m warming up to the Nationwide idea the more I think about it – with all the logistics figured out of course.

by red tees on Oct 28, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

less for the players...

red – the point had less to do with the players than it did for the sponsors. these tournaments will never draw the top 10 (unless they just happen to be in Vegas that week) – and hardly draw from the top 30. my idea was to lower the cost of running these tournaments for the sponsors. They are having to pony up $4-6 million for what are second tier events – that’s a lot of money for a tournament that doesn’t draw big crowds or serious TV coverage.

the fact that the players have to play harder to move up in the rankings is just an added bonus.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 28, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense

Make the ad buy commitment lower for these sponsors. That will save them a ton of money. Something like that, but cut em a break. You could still present $3-5M golf events that way.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same thing for...

…the events opposit the WGC tournaments and the British Open. Personally, I’d take it one step further and give the tournaments that have no real shot at drawing Tiger or Phil (the week before or week after a major) a little break.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 28, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah..

lowering the costs for the sponsors (which directly correlates to lower payouts) makes sense to me, especially if it means that tournaments can stay financially sound, and it encourages sponsors to keep supporting professional golf.

I’m not really understanding the frustration behind allowing “journeyman” or “everyman” players the opportunity to play for some good payouts at the end of the season…why is that bad?

I few months ago I remember reading or listening to someone (Ryan?) explaining that the professional tours (PGA, LPGA, etc) are the “players business” – it’s their job to make sure that there is money available and opportunities available for their members (all of their members) to make a living – every player has the opportunity to play in the Fall Series and if the best players have decided they have enough money for the year or want to focus on other commitments, why is that the rest of the player’s fault? If the events are able to sustain themselves and sponsors are willing to invest in them why do we think they need to change? (I thought I was getting it, but now I’m not so sure) I’m not sure the Tour needs to change anything – unless lowering the costs would help these tournaments.

by red tees on Oct 29, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

You’re right red – if the sponsors don’t have any problem putting out $8 million for a tournament – then The Tour will get that amount. But over the last 2 years, we have seen sponsors falling away because of economic concerns. Even on the LPGA Tour – where tournaments cost a third what a PGA Tour event cost. They also charge that same number for these fall season events where the big names will never play.

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 29, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already have some of these "adjustments"

There are Nationwide guys all over the Ginn sur Mer this week -

 Here are three guys who gained entrance to the field through Monday qualifying:

Grant Waite—-Mathew Kahn (may be KOhn—-Chip Deason.

The field shows many other lesser names along with Allenby, Baird, Cejka, Zach Johnson

Don’t bother to go to PGA Tour.com, click on PLAYERS and try to find these fellows -they’re not listed. But, they are getting an opportunity beyond just participating in a “money grab”.

The rank-and-file of the PGA Tour and Nationwide Tour have long complained about opportunities to play. The opposite field events were designed to accommodate (quiet) the justified complaints. The PGA Tour listened, acted and did a good job of responding.

Likewise, the Fall Series enables Jesper Parnevik, Davis Love III, Chris Di Marco et al to try to make their card – these three have differing goals -and there are those who are out there to pick up some Christmas money.

And, once more, about “money grab” – that’s a poor term to apply to the Fall Series. It implies a physical contest to out-muscle the adjacent person in grabbing easily accessible currency. The Fall Series requires playing golf against like professionals and, as we have seen, some lesser names have captured wins. Similarly, on the regular tour when a lesser-name wins a major. They earn the money, or they miss the cut, get nothing but the credit card bills travel, lodging and the cash outlay for the caddy. Some grab!

Dustin Johnson wins over Robert Allenby….Sutherland and Beckman are four shots better than Mike Weir…Marc Turnesa tops Chad Campbell, Davis Love III, DiMarco, Weir, Zach Johnson and Charles Howell III.

“These guys are good”

Don't worry, nothing will be allright.

by rcrusoe on Oct 28, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really though

As mentioned earlier, yes, Nationwide Tour guys can Monday qualify from time to time, but maybe 2 or 3 at a time. That’s not really what I’m suggesting. I am suggesting that Nationwide Tour grads get an early crack at the PGA Tour life and money before it really counts for the top 125.

My problem with the Fall Series and opposite field events is that they basically offer PGA Tour money for guys that aren’t playing up to big tier snuff. I understand the rank and file want a chance at money, too, but they’re not the ones who are making the big deals possible (in many cases). There is a disconnect there. Yes, these guys are fantastic golfers with world-class talent. But they are not the guys that are greasing the Tour’s purse wheels. Still, I admonish the Tour for having so many limited-field events that this has to be the compromise. You have to pick one if you’re the Tour – only the top tier gets access to big money, or everyone gets access to slightly less perhaps.

I respect that the guys who play the Fall Series want to keep their livelihood, or line their pockets with some extra cash. But, again, these tournaments are not of the same muster as those on the FedEx Cup schedule. So why pay like it? And why not let these guys have some additional competition?

I do want to make a quick note about the term “money grab” and why I use it. The Fall Series is about $30M in prize money. That’s a lot of cash for tournaments that rarely feature guys inside of the top 20 in the world. To get money akin to the Bob Hope in some of these Fall Series events is a great deal for the rank and file. That’s my definition of money grab. Obviously if you do not perform, you do not get paid. The grab may come up empty.

It always strikes me at this time of year that I routinely see names on the leaderboard that I would not find any other time of the year. The Fall is “their time.” That just seems shoddy to me. The guys on the Nationwide Tour are just as good as PGA Tour rank and file yet they play, on average, for between 1/8th and 1/6th of the PGA Tour.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 28, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on RB

you want a Nationwide guy in the field instead of adding a star like BOBBY CLAMPETT to the field ? :-)

Here’s my Ronald Reagan impression – “There you go again, Ryan.” Using words like “shoddy” ??? These guys have EARNED their spots on the PGA Tour – the toughest and deepest golf tour in the world. Yes, there is a pecking order and there are guys who are better than others – but ALL of these guys…well, maybe not BOBBY CLAMPETT…have the talent to put up a 63 or 64 on any given day. To call a tournament “shoddy” because the field doesn’t have top 10 players is a bit much. If a top player can’t put up a good number, then he will lose his Tour card – but until that time, he has earned his place and deserves more respect than to have words like “shoddy” tossed out about him.

About “money grab” – It is not the field’s fault that so much money is in the purse. Calling it a “money grab” is trite and cliche – and out of line. The Tour officials bring in the money. It is to the players advantage that they GET TO PLAY for that much money – but they still have to play well to make any of it. Half the field will go home on Friday with nothing but bills to pay and a maybe a couple of thousand bucks from equipment companies. It is not a GRAB. A grab implies that there is a big bucket of money sitting on the 18th green and players can just dip their hands in and take what they can after a friendly round with their buddies. It just doesn’t fit – it’s the media who passes judgement on things they don’t understand and could never do in their lives who make up terms like that. The players deserve better.

I’ve put this up before – from Theodore Roosevelt.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 29, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reply :)

I didn’t call tournaments shoddy. Nor did I call any of the players themselves shoddy. I called the concept of having the same purses available to guys who don’t have to compete well against the very best shoddy and, yes, a money grab. I fully understand that – most weeks – half of the field receives nothing. But that’s not where I’m focusing, and you know that. You know that I’m focusing on a guy like Cameron Beckman who now has two career Tour wins – both from Fall Series events. I will openly concede that his story is compelling to me because he nearly quit the game this year and was in doubt about what he would do next without his win last week. Still, he missed half of his cuts so far this season and his best finish before last week was a T12 at the John Deere Classic. Other than that, 23rd in New Orleans. How can you classify his winning $900,000 as anything other than a disparity between performance against better fields and against this one? You might deplore the term “money grab,” so insert another, but that concept doesn’t seem to fly to me. Please don’t get caught in the semantics of a term.

And I’m not even blaming Cameron for winning and taking the money. Winning any golf tournament is difficult. It’s not like he’s a Wall St CEO making eight figs for losing clients billions of dollars. The players are not at fault for taking any money they can get from an event by exercising their ability to play golf. If you told me that I could get paid the same amount of what I get for blogging (which isn’t much anyway, but it’s an example) to compete in a smaller golf blogosphere, then I would do it. Life is easier. They are trying to get what’s available to them.

The term “money grab” doesn’t apply to them. It applies to the Tour. God bless the Tour for being able to garner sponsorships from companies that want to pony up the cash. They are doing what I suggest that their main job is – get money for their players; not just the A-list, but everyone. Still, I feel that the Tour sometimes goes too far in trying to appeal to the rank and file because they also try too hard to give easy opportunities to guys like Tiger and Phil and Presidents Cup players. They get the WGCs to make an automatic six figure paycheck just for stopping by to say hello. That’s equally as bad and I don’t like that either. That’s a “money grab,” too. I suppose the term I’m really looking for to describe both would encompass the lack of balance between the Tour’s competing player factions.

If the Tour wants to strike a balance between the best and the rank and file, then they have to fundamentally modify the schedule. Fewer invitationals and no cut events. (This is happening on the LPGA Tour, too.) More events with full fields, or close to it. This would create a competitive environment that gives everyone equal footing from day one and not push the Fall Series warriors into October before they have to secure their livelihood because they can’t get entry into the plethora of invitational events on Tour.

Instead, we have this dichotomous PGA Tour. On one hand, we have a FedEx Cup schedule that really excludes a host of players from having a real opportunity to compete on a regular basis, establish a rhythm, and make the serious cash. The Tour throws them a bone with the Fall Series. That just doesn’t make good sense to me because it tells the players and fans that there is clearly a distinction between the players and its tournaments. (There is, but that’s a bad message.)

If they solved that, I think the Tour would be on much better footing.

BTW, that Teddy quote has no application to this. He was talking about critics who had no suggestions for better solutions and for those unwilling to get into the fray to improve any situation. If you wanted to apply that to golf writers, i would say it goes to writers/critics that lambaste the FedEx Cup at every turn but have no suggestions whatsoever for how to improve it.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 29, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A nice break

I also wanted to let everyone know that I gave a shout out to you guys on the radio interview I did this morning on the Where to Play Golf show. I said the whole point of this site is discussions like these. I know they get heated, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 29, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

I misread your post – my bad. My brain thought you were calling the tournaments “shoddy” because they didn’t draw the big names. That’s why Teddy came into play – and the way I (mis)read what you said – it did fit.

Correct me if I’m wrong – but winners of the Fall Series don’t get some perks that regular season winners get – like an invitation to the Masters (unless their winnings put them in the top 30 on the money list, of course). They do get the invite to the Mercedes in Hawaii – but no exemptions into majors. Correct ?

"this ball will fit in that fairway"

by courtgolf on Oct 29, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

Had to look into this some. Obviously you get the 2 year exemption for winning and the Hawaii invite. The only way to win a Fall Series event and get in the Masters is, like you said, if that propels you into the top 30 at the end of the season. That will also get you into the US Open. Must be the top 20 for the Open Championship. A win gets you into the PGA Championship. (This was fascinating to look at, too. Everyone should check out the criteria for exemption. It’s crazy.)

As for the Tour’s invitationals, it looks like there’s no one source for that which I can find. But I would guess that a win may help get into some of those.

Also, I just want to post this because I might need it again one day, but this is the PGA Tour Priority List.

by Ryan Ballengee on Oct 29, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Tiger vs. Phil, China-Style!
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Q-School: Can We Just Call It 'Q'?
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Say it Ain't So... Doug?
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Note to Self: Don't Golf in Indonesia
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Best Wishes for Joey Sindelar
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Punctuality Truly Counts - Just Ask Angel Cabrera & Gwladys Nocera
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The "Fall Series" continues next week with the WGC - HSBC Championship
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If I were Davis Love IV, I would be very pissed at Davis Love III

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